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Link Mauve
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jonasw, for you! https://shop.spreadshirt.com/imfreedom/
Seve/SouL
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That's super cool
edhelas
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so vintage tech t-shirts <3
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pep.
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For more motivation
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Link Mauve, I’ll take the ruffle shirt, thanks
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moparisthebest
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Wow is their logo mostly commas now?
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hah
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ta
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and a flying rat as mascott
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nyco
13:23:53
Hey board, I am sorry, I am in a long meeting, I won't be able to join our weekly
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nyco, noted, thanks
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o/
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Martin's not here, I think?
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ralphm?
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I guess it's just you and me, MattJ
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Guus
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MattJ, is there anything you want to discuss, our shall we skip this week?
Guus
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Is there anyone else that was waiting for a board meeting to bring something up?
MattJ
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Here
MattJ
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(sorry, was distracted a moment)
MattJ
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I'm fine with skipping
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Guus
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okay - until the next time, then.
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adieu
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Anu
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What is everyone else’s GDPR plan?
MattJ
13:44:14
Hide
MattJ
13:44:28
After burying all the data in the back yard
mrdoctorwho
13:44:55
I can't believe this thing got accepted
Anu
13:44:55
haha
Zash
13:45:04
Step 1: Don't be a company.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFI.. wait no
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13:45:09
I’ve decide to just just block the EU
Zash
13:45:34
Thanks for encouraging our internal market.
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Anu
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The need for a data protection officer who is basically a lawyer killed it for me
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what if they use proxy and then sue you for storing their data?
Anu
13:46:04
Nah you can still get the source and compile it
Anu
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im just not distributing it directly myself in the app store
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Zash
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This really shouldn't be an issue for client authors. Except mobile push cloud notifications...
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Anu
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Yup push
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and crash logging
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Anu
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But regardless the burden is on you to prove you are compliant to regulators
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thus the DPO
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mrdoctorwho
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it's the first time I'm happy I don't live in the EU
Anu
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i spend a lot of time in europe
Holger
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Well I don't think there's a requirement to have a DPO for a push service.
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Anu
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I believe there is, yes. You are processing data and the token can be combined with other info to uniquely identify a user so it is PII
Anu
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also you need to set up a register and document data processing and retention policies etc
MattJ
13:53:07
mrdoctorwho, depends on your perspective. As a user, isn't GDPR great?
Anu
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For me personally I felt it was safest to just let people compile it it they want it and block EU users from push
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daniel
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MattJ: depends. Time will tell if those ad tracking firms will go out of business
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They won’t because they can afford to meet the letter of the law
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Thus far I haven't experienced any differences from a user's perspective
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daniel
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Anu: it's complicated
Anu
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If you have the money and development resources, its totally doable
daniel
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They'd have to ask for consent
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And that essentially breaks their business model
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the two biggest advertisers are google and facebook
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Both will be fine
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daniel
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Only if you are a costumer of them. And consented to them tracking you
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daniel
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But yes those companies will have fewer issues than the traditional ad companies
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daniel, actually, I’ve seen quite a few spamy things which asked for consent
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Holger
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Anu: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e3732-1-1
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daniel
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jonasw: sure they can try. But I don't think a lot of people will klick yes
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Anu: I would've thought neither (a) nor (b) nor (c) applies.
Anu
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funny thing, ive works with mobile advertisers they were already doing things that were illegal the US. I dont think a eu law change with modify that
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daniel, exactly
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Link Mauve
14:00:36
Anu, we’re preparing to attack both Google and Facebook (and a few other ones), see https://gafam.laquadrature.net/ (use a translator if you don’t read French).
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I'm loving it from a users perspective, all the companies that can't be bothered to even try to protect user data or that were selling it and don't want to admit it are shutting down or putting up notices about how itm'
Anu
14:01:52
I spend time in France, im familiar with gafam (a term ive never seen used outside btw)
SamWhited
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…it's no 'onger available in the EU
SamWhited
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*sigh* stupid phone keyboard.
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Anu: is https://monal.im/blog/gdpr-removing-monal-from-the-eu/ your plan?
Anu
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yup
Ge0rG
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That's... unfortunate.
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At least until things clear up, id rather not get in trouble while in europe
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I was just going to recomment Monal to my iOSy family members.
Anu
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sorry :(
Anu
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I dont know what chat secure will do, ive asked chris
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Hes going to have to deal with the same issues
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Everybody is going to.
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yup
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mrdoctorwho
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MattJ: yes and no, I mainly agree with daniel
Anu
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He might have more resources than me since I think he’s funded by something
Ge0rG
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We should add that to our next GDPR meeting. pep., winfried: Cloud-Notify / Push servers are sufficiently on-topic
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Anu: I'm not convinced he has a regular project funding
Anu
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ah
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Anu: ChatSecure development has slowed down in the last year or so, from what I can see.
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on iOS. And I'm not sure anything at all is happening on Android. They wanted to migrate to the Conversations code base.
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i either used to or still has. i'm not really sure. i think it ran out at the end of last year ✎
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Anu
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What sucks about GDPR is I am prepping the next monal version with OMEMO and push
daniel
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he either used to or still has. i'm not really sure. i think it ran out at the end of last year ✏
Anu
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both on iOS and mac
Anu
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Mac will have the binary on the website outside of the App Store so people could just grab it there and there isn’t a push requirement
Anu
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Hah I should put text there asking EU users to not download it like in the old days where you could download the US version of netscape with better encryption or the international one
Ge0rG
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Anu: is there a specific reason for you pulling out, or just lack of time to ensure overall compliance?
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lack of financial means to ensure compliance on a regular basis.
Anu
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Its hard to do with a non commercial, free app
Anu
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GDPR is designed for institutions that can afford it. I dont know how everyone else will deal with it
Ge0rG
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Somehow we will.
Ge0rG
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BigCorps are paying millions to consultants to ensure compliance.
Anu
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Yes, I do it as my day job
moparisthebest
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Anu, yea if you don't target EU citizens you don't need to comply with the GDPR so I'd just do that 'EU users must not download this'
Anu
14:11:45
well no
Anu
14:12:00
Its anything that MAY be used by a EU natural person
moparisthebest
14:12:09
no it's not, looking for link...
moparisthebest
14:12:36
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en
moparisthebest
14:12:44
Provided your company doesn't specifically target its services at individuals in the EU, it is not subject to the rules of the GDPR.
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i think we are in agreement on that part, thats why im removing it from EU app store
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Anu: will it also be auto-uninstalled from EU iPhones? :P
Anu
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Nah since people can also just side load it if they want it
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Ge0rG
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I thought you need XCode and what not to sideload an ipa
Anu
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there are a few ways to do it. Most of my users are enterprise users
Anu
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They can deal with it
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@Ge0rG, how do you plan on handling GDPR with yax.im?
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Anu: I'll extend the data processing policy according to what we figure out in the XSF GDPR meetings, and will hope nobody sues me.
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GDPR comes into effect next week, going down to the wire :)
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Yeah.
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Anu
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Do we know if federation is legal anymore
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Zash
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Email isn't going to go away.
Ge0rG
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Anu: we don't *know* anything. We only make informed speculations
jonasw
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s/informed/uninformed/
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jonasw: only speaking for yourself
jonasw
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also, this creates a loop leading to unununununununununinformed
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(and more)
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14:29:01
Haha
Ge0rG
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while (regex.matches()) do { regex.apply() }
Ge0rG
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infinite loop of jonasw
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pep.
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> Ge0rG> We should add that to our next GDPR meeting. pep., winfried: Cloud-Notify / Push servers are sufficiently on-topic
Gotcha
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i would say xep-0080 and anything else that deals with lat/long
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Anu: I don't see how that's principally different from user content
Anu
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true
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