tuxI like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.
Ge0rGtux: but they aren't.
tuxIn your proposal
Ge0rGWe should have mapped 404 to pidgin.
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Wiktorand gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)
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jonaswhah
jonaswthat’d be even better ;-)
winfried:-D
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flowGuus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?
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Guusflow: yes, but time.
GuusAlso: house flooded
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jonaswGuus, oh, are you folks alright?
GuusYeah, but damages
jonaswinsurance?
GuusIncluding main laptop
GuusYeah, insured
jonaswpfew, that’s good
jonaswcan’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?
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GuusOur house was supposed to go up for sale today...
winfriedAnd a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.
GuusThe timing is aweful
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winfriedThat is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...
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GuusSo you got a raincheck
GuusBadum-tisssh
winfried... whished it missed your place and hit us.
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GuusGeorg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉
Dave CridlandGDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.
Dave CridlandGuus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.
GuusTx, will try
winfriedDave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)
jonaswGuus, ew, that’s awful timing
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jonaswgood luck
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Dave CridlandGuus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.
Dave Cridlandwinfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.
Dave Cridlandwinfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.
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intosihttps://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html
intosiThat's about it.
intosiAnd https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html
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winfriedintosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.
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KevIt doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.
KevSo that seems like a reasonable link to me.
Ge0rGGuus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.
KevGuus: That sucks royally, sorry :/
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Ge0rGAlso I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.
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winfriedGe0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)
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intosiGuus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(
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ZashGuus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.
ZashWas a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.
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ZashOh, great
ZashMay 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>
ZashSo that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently
jonaswow
jonaswthat should probably go into the iteam MUC
jonasw(forwarded)
ZashIs there one?
ZashAh, thanks
jonaswyes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
ZashAnd I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room
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ZashI had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.
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ZashThat's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc
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ZashMAM for email would have been nice right about now
Ge0rGLike... IMAP?
Ge0rGZash: ITYM MUC-MAM
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flowI feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)
KevOh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.
flowHe's listed as technical advisor IIRC
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Dave CridlandGe0rG, you about?
Ge0rGDave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile
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jonaswcan we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?
jonaswit is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.
pep.jonasw, yes please
Ge0rGThe one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?
Zashjonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho
jonaswI won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.
jonaswnot this again.
jonaswso the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?
ZashNice things, navailable they be. </yoda>
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ZashConverse.js does it I think
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pep.marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing
pep.Or is it coupled to PARS
Ge0rG401
marcpep.: it is an addition to PARS
pep.marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)
Ge0rGWhich I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms
jonaswbut a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author
pep.Done.
pep.Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~
jonaswI nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes
jonaswmaybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)
ZashWhen was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?
pep.yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..
jonaswZash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020
ZashI've got nothing after May 14
ZashLast one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi
jonaswew
jonaswthat’s why I monitor bounces :/
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ZashThat's why I normally don't touch my email
jonasw(but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)
ZashI set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then
ZashI have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?
ZashNope
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peterthread bumps FTW
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KevNecromancy gets an unduly bad name :)
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jonaswKev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.
Zashjonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?
Ge0rGIs the Google survey GDPR compliant?
jonaswZash, which XEP-0060 split?
Zashjonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.
jonaswI don’t know what you’re talking about :)
ZashWhile they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...
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pep.Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR✎
pep.Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR ✏
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jonaswZash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)
ZashIt doesn't.
jonaswI wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)
ZashHaha
ZashNot impossible!
pep.:D
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Link MauveAndrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?