I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.
Ge0rG
tux: but they aren't.
tux
In your proposal
Ge0rG
We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.
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and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)
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jonasw
hah
jonasw
that’d be even better ;-)
winfried
:-D
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Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?
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flow: yes, but time.
Guus
Also: house flooded
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Guus, oh, are you folks alright?
Guus
Yeah, but damages
jonasw
insurance?
Guus
Including main laptop
Guus
Yeah, insured
jonasw
pfew, that’s good
jonasw
can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?
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Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...
winfried
And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.
Guus
The timing is aweful
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winfried
That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...
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So you got a raincheck
Guus
Badum-tisssh
winfried
... whished it missed your place and hit us.
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Guus
Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉
Dave Cridland
GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.
Dave Cridland
Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.
Guus
Tx, will try
winfried
Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)
jonasw
Guus, ew, that’s awful timing
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good luck
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Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.
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winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.
Dave Cridland
winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.
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intosi
https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html
intosi
That's about it.
intosi
And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html
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intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.
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Kev
It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.
Kev
So that seems like a reasonable link to me.
Ge0rG
Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.
Kev
Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/
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Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.
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Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)
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Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(
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Zash
Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.
Zash
Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.
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Oh, great
Zash
May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>
Zash
So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently
jonasw
ow
jonasw
that should probably go into the iteam MUC
jonasw
(forwarded)
Zash
Is there one?
Zash
Ah, thanks
jonasw
yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
Zash
And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room
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I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.
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That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc
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MAM for email would have been nice right about now
Ge0rG
Like... IMAP?
Ge0rG
Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM
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I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)
Kev
Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.
flow
He's listed as technical advisor IIRC
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Dave Cridland
Ge0rG, you about?
Ge0rG
Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile
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jonasw
can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?
jonasw
it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.
pep.
jonasw, yes please
Ge0rG
The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?
Zash
jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho
jonasw
I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.
jonasw
not this again.
jonasw
so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?
Zash
Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>
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Converse.js does it I think
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marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing
pep.
Or is it coupled to PARS
Ge0rG
401
marc
pep.: it is an addition to PARS
pep.
marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)
Ge0rG
Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms
but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author
pep.
Done.
pep.
Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~
jonasw
I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes
jonasw
maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)
Zash
When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?
pep.
yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..
jonasw
Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020
Zash
I've got nothing after May 14
Zash
Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi
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ew
jonasw
that’s why I monitor bounces :/
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Zash
That's why I normally don't touch my email
jonasw
(but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)
Zash
I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then
Zash
I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?
Zash
Nope
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thread bumps FTW
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Kev
Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)
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Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.
Zash
jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?
Ge0rG
Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?
jonasw
Zash, which XEP-0060 split?
Zash
jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.
jonasw
I don’t know what you’re talking about :)
Zash
While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...
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pep.
Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR✎
pep.
Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR ✏
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Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)
Zash
It doesn't.
jonasw
I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)
Zash
Haha
Zash
Not impossible!
pep.
:D
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Link Mauve
Andrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?