XSF Discussion - 2018-05-23

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07:58:45 tux I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.
07:59:08 Ge0rG tux: but they aren't.
07:59:35 tux In your proposal
07:59:51 Ge0rG We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.
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08:17:32 Wiktor and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)
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08:19:22 jonasw hah
08:19:29 jonasw that’d be even better ;-)
08:20:41 winfried :-D
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08:43:53 flow Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?
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08:50:25 Guus flow: yes, but time.
08:50:34 Guus Also: house flooded
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08:52:22 jonasw Guus, oh, are you folks alright?
08:54:09 Guus Yeah, but damages
08:54:16 jonasw insurance?
08:54:17 Guus Including main laptop
08:54:27 Guus Yeah, insured
08:54:39 jonasw pfew, that’s good
08:54:52 jonasw can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?
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08:56:09 Guus Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...
08:56:17 winfried And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.
08:56:24 Guus The timing is aweful
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08:57:06 winfried That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...
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08:57:45 Guus So you got a raincheck
08:57:57 Guus Badum-tisssh
09:01:06 winfried ... whished it missed your place and hit us.
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09:06:01 Guus Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉
09:06:56 Dave Cridland GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.
09:08:32 Dave Cridland Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.
09:10:18 Guus Tx, will try
09:10:58 winfried Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)
09:11:20 jonasw Guus, ew, that’s awful timing
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09:11:22 jonasw good luck
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09:13:40 Dave Cridland Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.
09:13:57 Dave Cridland winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.
09:14:17 Dave Cridland winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.
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09:14:37 intosi https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html
09:14:49 intosi That's about it.
09:15:47 intosi And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html
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09:22:14 winfried intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.
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09:23:01 Kev It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.
09:23:16 Kev So that seems like a reasonable link to me.
09:23:56 Ge0rG Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.
09:24:31 Kev Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/
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09:25:46 Ge0rG Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.
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09:26:25 winfried Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)
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09:26:51 intosi Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(
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13:08:05 Zash Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.
13:09:45 Zash Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.
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13:10:26 Zash Oh, great
13:10:40 Zash May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>
13:10:56 Zash So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently
13:11:37 jonasw ow
13:12:02 jonasw that should probably go into the iteam MUC
13:12:33 jonasw (forwarded)
13:12:34 Zash Is there one?
13:12:36 Zash Ah, thanks
13:12:44 jonasw yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
13:12:59 Zash And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room
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13:14:42 Zash I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.
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13:20:27 Zash That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc
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13:24:39 Zash MAM for email would have been nice right about now
13:24:52 Ge0rG Like... IMAP?
13:25:01 Ge0rG Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM
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13:34:54 flow I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)
13:38:15 Kev Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.
13:38:41 flow He's listed as technical advisor IIRC
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15:03:52 Dave Cridland Ge0rG, you about?
15:04:53 Ge0rG Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile
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15:55:51 jonasw can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?
15:56:00 jonasw it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.
15:56:19 pep. jonasw, yes please
15:56:21 Ge0rG The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?
15:56:38 Zash jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho
15:56:43 jonasw I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.
15:56:50 jonasw not this again.
15:57:03 jonasw so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?
15:57:07 Zash Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>
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15:57:28 Zash Converse.js does it I think
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15:59:01 pep. marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing
15:59:12 pep. Or is it coupled to PARS
15:59:22 Ge0rG 401
16:00:22 marc pep.: it is an addition to PARS
16:00:37 pep. marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)
16:00:44 Ge0rG Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms
16:00:50 pep. Ge0rG, ha!
16:01:08 pep. marc, "Example 5. Exceute account creation command" typo btw
16:01:22 jonasw pep., make a PR
16:01:31 pep. I'm waiting to find more :p
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16:04:24 jonasw but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author
16:04:50 pep. Done.
16:05:02 pep. Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~
16:05:21 jonasw I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes
16:05:41 jonasw maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)
16:06:07 Zash When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?
16:06:18 pep. yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..
16:06:49 jonasw Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020
16:07:26 Zash I've got nothing after May 14
16:07:45 Zash Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi
16:08:07 jonasw ew
16:08:15 jonasw that’s why I monitor bounces :/
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16:08:27 Zash That's why I normally don't touch my email
16:08:30 jonasw (but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)
16:08:36 Zash I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then
16:08:54 Zash I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?
16:09:11 Zash Nope
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16:11:16 peter thread bumps FTW
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16:11:43 Kev Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)
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16:12:03 jonasw Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.
16:12:21 Zash jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?
16:12:24 Ge0rG Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?
16:12:29 jonasw Zash, which XEP-0060 split?
16:12:38 Zash jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.
16:12:49 jonasw I don’t know what you’re talking about :)
16:12:53 Zash While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...
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16:14:23 pep. Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR
16:17:36 pep. Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR
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16:24:03 jonasw Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)
16:24:40 Zash It doesn't.
16:24:47 jonasw I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)
16:24:54 Zash Haha
16:25:17 Zash Not impossible!
16:28:48 pep. :D
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