XSF Discussion - 2018-05-23

I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.

tux: but they aren't.

In your proposal

We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.

and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)

hah

that’d be even better ;-)

:-D

Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?

flow: yes, but time.

Also: house flooded

Guus, oh, are you folks alright?

Yeah, but damages

insurance?

Including main laptop

Yeah, insured

pfew, that’s good

can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?

Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...

And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.

The timing is aweful

That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...

So you got a raincheck

Badum-tisssh

... whished it missed your place and hit us.

Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉

GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.

Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.

Tx, will try

Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)

Guus, ew, that’s awful timing

good luck

Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.

winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.

winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.

https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html

That's about it.

And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html

intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.

It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.

So that seems like a reasonable link to me.

Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.

Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/

Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.

Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)

Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(

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Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.

Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.

Oh, great

May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>

So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently

ow

that should probably go into the iteam MUC

(forwarded)

Is there one?

Ah, thanks

yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join

And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room

I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.

That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc

MAM for email would have been nice right about now

Like... IMAP?

Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM

I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)

Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.

He's listed as technical advisor IIRC

Ge0rG, you about?

Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile

can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?

it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.

jonasw, yes please

The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?

jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho

I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.

not this again.

so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?

Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>

Converse.js does it I think

marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing

Or is it coupled to PARS

401

pep.: it is an addition to PARS

marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)

Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms

Ge0rG, ha!

marc, "Example 5. Exceute account creation command" typo btw

pep., make a PR

I'm waiting to find more :p

but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author

Done.

Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~

I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes

maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)

When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?

yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..

Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020

I've got nothing after May 14

Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi

ew

that’s why I monitor bounces :/

That's why I normally don't touch my email

(but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)

I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then

I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?

Nope

thread bumps FTW

Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)

Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.

jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?

Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?

Zash, which XEP-0060 split?

jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.

I don’t know what you’re talking about :)

While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...

Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR ✏

Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)

It doesn't.

I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)

Haha

Not impossible!

:D

Andrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?