XSF Discussion - 2018-05-23


  1. tux

    I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.

  2. Ge0rG

    tux: but they aren't.

  3. tux

    In your proposal

  4. Ge0rG

    We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.

  5. Wiktor

    and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)

  6. jonasw

    hah

  7. jonasw

    that’d be even better ;-)

  8. winfried

    :-D

  9. flow

    Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?

  10. Guus

    flow: yes, but time.

  11. Guus

    Also: house flooded

  12. jonasw

    Guus, oh, are you folks alright?

  13. Guus

    Yeah, but damages

  14. jonasw

    insurance?

  15. Guus

    Including main laptop

  16. Guus

    Yeah, insured

  17. jonasw

    pfew, that’s good

  18. jonasw

    can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?

  19. Guus

    Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...

  20. winfried

    And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.

  21. Guus

    The timing is aweful

  22. winfried

    That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...

  23. Guus

    So you got a raincheck

  24. Guus

    Badum-tisssh

  25. winfried

    ... whished it missed your place and hit us.

  26. Guus

    Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉

  27. Dave Cridland

    GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.

  28. Dave Cridland

    Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.

  29. Guus

    Tx, will try

  30. winfried

    Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)

  31. jonasw

    Guus, ew, that’s awful timing

  32. jonasw

    good luck

  33. Dave Cridland

    Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.

  34. Dave Cridland

    winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.

  35. Dave Cridland

    winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.

  36. intosi

    https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html

  37. intosi

    That's about it.

  38. intosi

    And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html

  39. winfried

    intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.

  40. Kev

    It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.

  41. Kev

    So that seems like a reasonable link to me.

  42. Ge0rG

    Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.

  43. Kev

    Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/

  44. Ge0rG

    Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.

  45. winfried

    Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)

  46. intosi

    Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(

  47. Guus

    T

  48. Guus

    X

  49. Zash

    Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.

  50. Zash

    Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.

  51. Zash

    Oh, great

  52. Zash

    May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>

  53. Zash

    So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently

  54. jonasw

    ow

  55. jonasw

    that should probably go into the iteam MUC

  56. jonasw

    (forwarded)

  57. Zash

    Is there one?

  58. Zash

    Ah, thanks

  59. jonasw

    yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join

  60. Zash

    And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room

  61. Zash

    I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.

  62. Zash

    That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc

  63. Zash

    MAM for email would have been nice right about now

  64. Ge0rG

    Like... IMAP?

  65. Ge0rG

    Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM

  66. flow

    I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)

  67. Kev

    Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.

  68. flow

    He's listed as technical advisor IIRC

  69. Dave Cridland

    Ge0rG, you about?

  70. Ge0rG

    Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile

  71. jonasw

    can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?

  72. jonasw

    it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.

  73. pep.

    jonasw, yes please

  74. Ge0rG

    The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?

  75. Zash

    jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho

  76. jonasw

    I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.

  77. jonasw

    not this again.

  78. jonasw

    so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?

  79. Zash

    Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>

  80. Zash

    Converse.js does it I think

  81. pep.

    marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing

  82. pep.

    Or is it coupled to PARS

  83. Ge0rG

    401

  84. marc

    pep.: it is an addition to PARS

  85. pep.

    marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)

  86. Ge0rG

    Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms

  87. pep.

    Ge0rG, ha!

  88. pep.

    marc, "Example 5. Exceute account creation command" typo btw

  89. jonasw

    pep., make a PR

  90. pep.

    I'm waiting to find more :p

  91. jonasw

    but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author

  92. pep.

    Done.

  93. pep.

    Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~

  94. jonasw

    I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes

  95. jonasw

    maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)

  96. Zash

    When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?

  97. pep.

    yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..

  98. jonasw

    Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020

  99. Zash

    I've got nothing after May 14

  100. Zash

    Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi

  101. jonasw

    ew

  102. jonasw

    that’s why I monitor bounces :/

  103. Zash

    That's why I normally don't touch my email

  104. jonasw

    (but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)

  105. Zash

    I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then

  106. Zash

    I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?

  107. Zash

    Nope

  108. peter

    thread bumps FTW

  109. Kev

    Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)

  110. jonasw

    Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.

  111. Zash

    jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?

  112. Ge0rG

    Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?

  113. jonasw

    Zash, which XEP-0060 split?

  114. Zash

    jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.

  115. jonasw

    I don’t know what you’re talking about :)

  116. Zash

    While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...

  117. pep.

    Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR

  118. pep.

    Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR

  119. jonasw

    Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)

  120. Zash

    It doesn't.

  121. jonasw

    I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)

  122. Zash

    Haha

  123. Zash

    Not impossible!

  124. pep.

    :D

  125. Link Mauve

    Andrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?