jonaswwould be great if somebody with power would set a room description for this room
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Seve/SouLGood morning
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Ge0rGjonasw: I've been asking that for years
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Seve/SouLMattJ, the email on the survey is requested to be able to match which member filled the survey, isn't it?
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Seve/SouLWould like to know where are you going to check that, because I think my information is outdated
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MattJSeve/SouL, just leave a comment that it's you, it'll be fine (but maybe ask Alex to update your info too)
jonaswMattJ, I think you /do/ have the power, can you set a room description for this room please? :)
MattJDone
jonaswnice :)
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goffiHey, some people where asking about my work on file sharing using Jingle here, I've written a blog post about it: https://www.goffi.org/b/hGKs6B4wd8dsgNZd5MzQjN/file-sharing-landing-next-release-salut
goffiwere*
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jonaswanybody knows an admin of jabber.org?
Ge0rGKev? stpeter? Just guessing.
jonaswto whom it may concern: there is a MUC with the address '@conference.jabber.org' (yes, without localpart) in the disco#items result. you probably want to sort this out.
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Ge0rGjonasw: shouldn't it be 'conference.jabber.org' then? Prosody even allows joining the MUC domain.
Ge0rGCrazy shit, but not explicitly forbidden.
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jonaswGe0rG, @conference.jabber.org is an invalid JID. asking what it "should be" then is futile. it should never have existed.
jonaswin any case it prevents aioxmpp from processing the disco#items result and I refuse to add a workaround for that.
Ge0rGjonasw: that's noble. I'm sure that will show 'em!
jonaswGe0rG, *shrug*, the remainder of the list looks like auto-created arabic spam rooms
jonaswso I don’t worry too much about the loss of information.
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jonaswbut then again, what’s a client lib to do in this case? you can’t give the broken JID to the application, because giving broken stuff to the application which it might later use to send things to which in turn would lead to errors/stream termination is bad. returning an error instead of even a part of the listing is bad. returning the incomplete listing (removing the entry with the broken JID) is bad.
jonaswcurrently I’m at option 2 (return an error instead of the disco#items response). option 3 would be viable, but I’m not sure if that messes with semantics too much
ZashThrow your hands in the air
jonaswdid that already
jonaswto my face actually
jonaswdidn’t help though
Ge0rGforce your server to close down the s2s connection!
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Ge0rG...via adhoc admin command
Ge0rG<--- lovetox has left the room (Stream closed by us: Improper 'from' attribute (invalid-from))
See, it works!
jonaswyou know that I can’t check that because my client doesn’t show joins/leaves!
Zashjonasw, what do you do on invalid data in other cases?
jonaswZash, return an error to the application instead of the response
Zashjonasw, do that then
jonaswthat’s what I do
jonasw(option 2)
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ZashAh, you said that, sorry, coffee hasn't kicked in yet
ZashSeems I'm ♪ doing what frozen things do - in summer!! ♫
jonaswmelting?
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ZashBrain melting or something
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pep.goffi: thanks! Reading
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ZashShouldn't the formtypes be here too https://xmpp.org/registrar/muc.html
jonaswZash, forms are here: https://xmpp.org/registrar/formtypes.html
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jonaswbut yes, the registry is incomplete and out of date
jonaswsomebody™ needs to fix that
ZashCan't find a link from xep45 :|
ZashHah
ZashIt has `muc#maxhistoryfetch`
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ZashProsody has `muc#roomconfig_historylength` and `muc#roomconfig_defaulthistorymessages`
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ZashAnd `muc#maxhistoryfetch` was added in 2012?
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ZashThe others were added to prosody 2 months after?!
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ZashHey what should happen if you have a password-protected MUC and someone queries MAM?
ZashAlso, does anyone actually use passwords?
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ZashAlso, does anyone actually use passwords in MUC?
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ZashWhy what?
jonaswuse passwords in muc
ZashIndeed
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Ge0rGBecause passwords work better than member lists
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Andrew NenakhovPasswords in mucs are one of MUCs deadly sins.
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Seve/SouLHow can I get in touch with Alex, please?
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Seve/SouLI will check the mailing lists and see if I can get his email
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dwdA MUC password isn't a password; it's an out-of-band invitation mechanism.
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AnuIt might sound odd but it may be beneficial for adoption for xmpp to take the best ideas from slack
AnuIt’s what people use and expect
ZashTake the best ideas from all the things
AnuIf there is a tool that is heavily used, it saves the need to retrain
AnuPart of the friction for non enterprise xmpp use is that you need to teach people how to use it
ZashJust remember that popularity does not mean quality or anything.
AnuNope but it eases moving from one to another
ZashYou might thing that, but I don't
ZashYou might think that, but I don't
AnuXmpp is the way it is because of that I’m clients in the 90s
AnuAnd irc
ZashIf you try to be a clone of some other thing, you will forever be playing a game of catch-up
AnuThings people don’t use anymore
ZashYou can't win that
ZashYou can't make a clone clone be better.
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ZashYou win by being different in some way that turned out to be even better.
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AnuSlack is an irc clone and even had an xmpp interface
AnuIt’s winning for a reason
ZashAnu, any specific things we should be stealing? :)
ZashNicer bot integration, buttons and stuff was discussed a while ago
AnuOrg set up
ZashAs an old console client irc user, I have no idea what Slack does and what parts are worth being "inspired by"
AnuYou can create and org where users are isolated from outside
AnuAnd they can create their own channels inside, break out into adhoc group chats