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Guus
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Is this semantically equivalent?
Guus
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<foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo>
<x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>
Guus
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is the 'bar' element in the same namespace?
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Kev
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I believe the answer is "yes", but never trust anyone giving XML answers off the top of their head :)
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jonasw
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Guus, no, it’s not equivalent
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jonasw
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<bar/> is in the default namespace in both examples. but in the second example, the default namespace was rebound by <foo xmlns="…"/>, while in the second example, the default namespace is undefined (i.e. no namespace; unless there is outer content which defines the default namespace)
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jonasw
09:54:22
Guus,
```
>>> t1 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo>')
>>> t2 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>')
>>> t1[0].tag
'{mynamespace}bar'
>>> t2[0].tag
'bar'
```
(this is clarks notation, i.e. {namespace}local-name)
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Thanks Jonas, Kev
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09:56:34
I said not to trust me :)
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jonasw
09:56:55
also, I meant to say "but in the *first* example", not "but in the second example"
Guus
09:57:12
No, but you confirmed my suspicion that I had to check 🙂
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Guus
09:57:25
jonasw, I assumed as much
Guus
09:57:29
I didn't get that clarks notation, btw
jonasw
09:57:34
Guus, http://www.jclark.com/xml/xmlns.htm
jonasw
09:57:56
it’s a way to write namespaced elements, independently of prefixes. it’s very useful for debugging and even for an internal data representaiton
jonasw
09:58:42
it’s sometimes used on the mailing list. the name of the element <foo xmlns="bar"/> would be {bar}foo in clarks notation
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{jabber:client}message, etc.
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yupp
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MattJ
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Prosody uses that notation in its simplified xpath thing
jonasw
10:04:28
it should be used everywhere :)
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Is it Board Time?
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ralphm, Guus, nyco
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I can't make it, sorry
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About to be in a car again
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np
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Hey, bandwidth issue on mobile
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Sorry
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Ok, I think we're skipping this week then :)
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