XSF Discussion - 2018-06-14

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09:42:32 Guus Is this semantically equivalent?
09:42:33 Guus <foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo> <x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>
09:43:18 Guus is the 'bar' element in the same namespace?
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09:46:48 Kev I believe the answer is "yes", but never trust anyone giving XML answers off the top of their head :)
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09:51:24 jonasw Guus, no, it’s not equivalent
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09:52:05 jonasw <bar/> is in the default namespace in both examples. but in the second example, the default namespace was rebound by <foo xmlns="…"/>, while in the second example, the default namespace is undefined (i.e. no namespace; unless there is outer content which defines the default namespace)
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09:54:22 jonasw Guus, ``` >>> t1 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo>') >>> t2 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>') >>> t1[0].tag '{mynamespace}bar' >>> t2[0].tag 'bar' ``` (this is clarks notation, i.e. {namespace}local-name)
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09:56:22 Guus Thanks Jonas, Kev
09:56:34 Kev I said not to trust me :)
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09:56:55 jonasw also, I meant to say "but in the *first* example", not "but in the second example"
09:57:12 Guus No, but you confirmed my suspicion that I had to check 🙂
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09:57:25 Guus jonasw, I assumed as much
09:57:29 Guus I didn't get that clarks notation, btw
09:57:34 jonasw Guus, http://www.jclark.com/xml/xmlns.htm
09:57:56 jonasw it’s a way to write namespaced elements, independently of prefixes. it’s very useful for debugging and even for an internal data representaiton
09:58:42 jonasw it’s sometimes used on the mailing list. the name of the element <foo xmlns="bar"/> would be {bar}foo in clarks notation
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10:01:04 Kev {jabber:client}message, etc.
10:01:07 jonasw yupp
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10:03:17 MattJ Prosody uses that notation in its simplified xpath thing
10:04:28 jonasw it should be used everywhere :)
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13:30:29 MattJ ping
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13:31:52 Zash Is it Board Time?
13:31:58 MattJ ralphm, Guus, nyco
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13:32:53 Guus I can't make it, sorry
13:33:05 Guus About to be in a car again
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13:33:39 MattJ np
13:33:52 nyco Hey, bandwidth issue on mobile
13:33:55 nyco Sorry
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13:40:51 MattJ Ok, I think we're skipping this week then :)
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