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updated https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/666 by force-pushing
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flow: can't install htmldiff, some problems with "markupbase"
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I have changed the structure of the document and moved most of the sections out of "use cases", so not sure how useful it can be, probably it is better to just re-read it
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Hello
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In https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-128
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Why do you not put the JID in the item tag?
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It is in the previous example.
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mimi89999, the schema says that <actor/> is optional
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I haven't read the text though
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flow: I meant the JID in the `<item>` tag. Not in actor.
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mimi89999, hmm, maybe anonymous MUC?
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No
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Hmm... Maybe.
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But I didn't see it in the desc.
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same effect when user leave non anonymous room. But it does not matter.
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18:31:14 daniel
for councils consideration https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/667
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although I’ve found the identity name == localpart thing to be handy for searching in localpart only ;)
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jonasw: well that will remain that way
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For backward compat reasons
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Otherwise I would have just tried to change the servers
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To make identity name == room name
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daniel: your xep change is missing an actual rationale within the XEP. Also my mobile Chrome OOMed while typing a comment and ate the 90% finished text.
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daniel: please add business rules for servers to fill the new name field and for clients to gather the name from the many possible locations.
19:27:29 Ge0rG
To be honest, I'm rather opposed to having yet another name field.
19:28:07 Ge0rG
We can't even sort out the current MUC name vs description vs topic vs bookmark name
19:28:28 Ge0rG
Adding yet another field is counterproductive IMVHO
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Ge0rG, my understanding is that this is just the name which is already there
19:29:01 daniel
Ge0rG: you can already enter the field. You just can't read it back
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daniel: what?
19:29:26 jonasw
Ge0rG, the problem is that currently, you can’t distinguish MUCs without a name set from MUCs where the name was set to be identical to the nodepart of their JID
19:29:27 daniel
You can already enter the room name.
19:29:32 daniel
You can't read it
19:29:48 jonasw
because the name is currently shown in the disco#info identity and that cannot be blank. so services default to the nodepart of the jid
19:29:56 Ge0rG
Sorry, I'm not really able to understand complex issues today. Feel free to ignore everything I wrote and wait for my on-list
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with daniels change, the name would also be in the disco#info form and you can distinguish the two cases
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haven’t you been one of the loudest advocats for Conversations displaying the muc name instead of subject?
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Are you saying that comparing the name field with the nodepart is hard?
19:31:12 Ge0rG
What's wrong with name in disco info name only? Either the local part is good enough or the client needs to put something useful there when creating the room
19:31:13 daniel
Zash, no. but what if the room name is actually the local part?
19:31:40 daniel
Ge0rG, that you can’t figure out if a name is unset
19:32:12 Ge0rG
Consider me an old fart, but I've never seen a list of the participants as the "room name" as a good thing.
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Anyway, this is too complex for me today. Sorry for bothering you.
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daniel: In the case of Prosody, there's no difference between not being set and being set to the localpart
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meaning what?
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you can’t unset it?
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setting it to the localpart or "" unsets it
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and it returns the localpart if it's unset
19:38:42 daniel
right. i think that’s what ejabberd does as well
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Shouldn't allowed invites be based on role or affiliation?
19:39:43 daniel
it is i guess
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It is. I see now.
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Add an invisible whitespace, or a LTR Unicode tag to differentiate an unset name from a name that equals the localpart.
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As long as that's standardized I'm fine
20:15:20 Ge0rG
It's the same amount of ugly workaround logic, with one less field
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I’m not sure why we need to optimize for fewer fields
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but sure…
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Then you could add a boolean field whether the name is the localpart... 🤔
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I'm full of awesome protocol ideas.
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XSF Discussion - 2018-06-18