XSF Discussion - 2018-06-28

Steve Kille, My concern is the user-id encoded in the localpart and not into the resourcepart: basically user#channel@mix.service/resource vs channel@mix.service/user/resource

How would a query to your own MAM archive for a particular MIX channel look like with the first style?

Note that this format is NOT used for messages thru the channel. These user channel@domain/user

This choice was made to make things right for MAM

user#channel@mix.service/resource primary use is for presence. Anyone using MAM for MIX presence is going to need to have quite specialized knowledge.

user#channel@mix.service/resource is also used for private messages being sent through the channel. You will have to use this with MIX-ANON. You may also choose to use this when direct messages are blocked (knowing a user's JID does not mean you have permission to send them messages)

How does that help if direct messages are blocked?

Oh, you mean 1:1s to the real JID.

If direct messages are blocked, you need to send PMs through the channel.

DM/PM are synonymous.

I thought that DM meant a message going directly to the user and not through the channel

DM isn't a term used in XMPP, but elsewhere it is largely used to mean the same as PM in XMPP.

OK - sorry to confuse things

MAM for PMs in MIX is a bit awkward. My immediate thought is extended MAM, so that you can query to find all PMs thru a channel, and for sender JID (so you can find PMs for a user across all channels). This is not optimal.

Why do you want all PMs through a channel?

Not sure - on reflection not particularly useful

Another option is to have MIX-PAM work on the message as it arrives, and put the PM into the user's archive in a way that is subsequently easy to search for.

This would shift some message process work from MIX client to server.

Does using this JID format not already do exactly that?

Without any extra work?

how would I find PMs from user#channel@mix.service/resource in a MAM archive?

I can use participant node to derive this JID from user's JID

So, I can ask about PMs from a specific user thru a specific channel

You don't need it from /resource, you just need user#channel@mix.service

how do you work out #user?

I don't understand the question.

Luckily you two could probably just go next door to the others office to clarify things. So do we have to extend MAM to query a participants archive for all messages of a particular MIX channel?

With the user#channel@... approach

flow, no, to get messages sent in the channel, you ask for channel@

So my server gets incoming MIX messages with from set to 'channel@...' ?

jonasw, note that I'm not asking about the MAM archive of the MIX channel

flow, I know, and yes

If you're asking for all PMs from a channel, you can't do that without extending MAM. If you're asking about all channel messages, you can do that, and if you're asking for all PMs with a particular user, you can do that.

got it thanks

but maybe one more to lazy to lookup question: querying all channel messages would also include PMs or not?

It would very much not.

The nice thing is that you'll even get PMs if you just asked for the backlog, and there is no way to discriminate them from regular direct messages.

No you won't.

Oh, wait. This is about MIX.

Isn't everything?

Is anything?

I thought this was xsf@, not mix@

it's even xsf@muc.

test

test failed

argh

+++CARRIER LOST

who is this and why are you talking through my microwave?

time

phonecall, afk

I will start with this:

I am confused, I miss last meeting, and did excuse

I am sorry

Is it Bored Meeting day?

It is

nyco, oh, did I forget to send minutes? :/

I definitely started typing them, but I don't recall finishing/sending, so if you don't see them I probably have something around here

possibly 😉

The previous week we didn't meet

oh

ralphm, ?

I'm back, yet kind of distracted as a result of the phone call 🙂

anyways

I count three of us

let's get started?

Yeah, we can go ahead

I've seen nyco, mattj and me. Martin, ralphm not here I think?

Looks like it

Would someone be so kind to volunteer for the minutes for this meeting?

I can

Thanks

Agenda - what do you want to discuss?

Trello has been unmodified for a while now: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

MattJ, any progress on that spreadsheet you were working on?

I think it's a mixture of things stalled on Peter and things stalled on me

It's in progress, but nothing much to show yet

I can give a summary of the ratings-based questions

or we can just wait until I've compiled it all and dedicate a meeting to discussing it

I'd be ok to simply wait for you to finish, to be honest

do it all in one go.

wfm

let's table that (in the sense of postponing it for now, not to bring it up for discussion, just in case Dave is watching)

Since we have Nyco:

:)

Where do we stand with the online Swag store?

I don't recall where we left off.

Were you going to compare alternatives, and/or set up a demo store?

nyco?

correct, and I failed to find time to do it

sorry

okay, no worries

will you have some time in the forseable future?

I felt there was not a great appetite for this, but I may be wrong, anyway I will still do it

yes, I'll dedicate time

as I recall, no-one was opposed. At the very least, i'm interested to see if it'd take off.

ok, thanks

Same

ok

As to the fundraising / financials: I'll try to gently poke Peter again, or ask if we can help out if he has timing conflicts.

that, in record time, was us going through the trello board.

is there any other business that anyone wants to bring up?

I'm not sure I'm clear on the status of the GDPR stuff

The next action item in my mind was to formalize the team, but I think we failed to do that last week

It doesn't make much difference though, I think the initial work would be done by me and I haven't had time anyway

I think you're right - I forgot about that one.

did you hear back from each of the suggested team members?

I think we're waiting for feedback from Alex, last I heard?

That's true, I need to poke him again

Okay. To formalize, I think we need a mission statement, and a member list for the work team.

I'll draft something up for the next meeting, and hopefully receive something back from Alex

It would be nice for individuals to be aware that they're a member before we vote them in 😉

sounds good. I can help with the mission statement if you want?

I think we even discussed one, earlier.

Sure

Ok, if you could ping me anytime, but next Monday - I'll have some time to work on this.

Does this conclude this topic, for now?

I think so, yes, thanks

Any other business?

None here

I'm good

Date/time of next

+1w?

+1

ok!

thank you!

Thanks :)