nycohi board members (and every one else ;-) )
do we have our meeting today? that may be implicit, but has not been made explicit
last week, we had two apologies, but no-one showed up
this week, we have no apologies so far, but many are on holidays I presume
I'd like to jump on a call, so if no answer, I'll miss today's meeting, ok
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MattJI'm around
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MattJIf people are on holidays, I'd rather that we explicitly skip the meetings in future
jonasw+1 from the floor
jonaswGuus has at least been around earlier today
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GuusI apologised for a couple of weeks. 😀
GuusI'm here now by chance, but will drop in and out of WiFi.
jonaswstill on the trampoline?
jonaswalso, am I weird for first thinking about something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing) when you mentioned it the other day? :/
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GuusNo, and yes. 😁
jonaswdamn
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GuusBut you're in good company here. 😉
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404.cityhey, test
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jonaswso how is a client using a "conversations compatible" XEP-0066 annotaiton on URLs to know whether to attach the OOB tag or not?
jonaswon desktop, there’s no such thing as "sharing" a link or medium, so we can’t know whether a link is supposed to be displayed inline or not
jonaswjust annotating all link-only posts makes conversations and dino show it as a shared file instead of a shared link (for non-image content)
ZashWhat are you asking?
jonasw"who is at fault" maybe
jonaswcurrently, jabbercat annotates all URL-only messages with <{oob}x/>
ZashThat seems wrong
jonaswthis is confusing because conversations and dino display it as "Open File" instead of the bare link for HTML
ZashI think you want provide a way for the user to show their intent. Just pasting a link should be just a link.
jonaswhm
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jonaswmy intent is, whenever I paste an image, I want it inline
jonaswor video
jonaswor audio
Zash/embed example.jpg
Link MauveThis whole shared/not shared link is pretty dumb in the first place, imo.
jonaswtoo complicated
jonaswLink Mauve, I agree
jonaswI think we should just ignore the oob thing and treat all links equally
jonasw(which is what jabbercat does)
Link MauveI once started a Prosody module which a receiving client could ask for “what is this link?”, and get back what to do with it, without compromising the user’s IP.
Link Mauvejonasw, that’s what we do in poezio too.
Link MauveConverse also does that.
jonaswLink Mauve, ah, I want to write such a thing too
Link MauveI’m still unsure what the consequences may be for the server and for privacy.
jonaswyeah, tricky
Link MauveLike, if you get an answer quickly it may mean someone else on this server asked for this URL recently.
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jonaswalso in encrypted conversations you can’t really do that
Link MauveOf course you can, if you do trust your server for instance.
Link MauveEven if I were to use some e2ee, I still trust my server and my client equally, so it wouldn’t be an issue.
Link MauveHeck, I would even be fine with a Prosody implementation of e2ee. :D
jonaswif you do trust your server, why are you using e2ee?
ZashWhy do people keep asking for e2ee?
Link Mauvejonasw, because people seem to absolutely mandate it, or something.
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jonaswI want a thing which terminates OMEMO on my server, actually.
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jonaswthat’s even better than trying to block it
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jonaswcan somebody do that pls
ZashLike ye ol' mod_otr for ejabberd :)
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jonaswLink Mauve, I intended to use the URL lookup feature I built into my XMPP bot over at xmpp@. Make it a separate process, possibly even on a separate machine (reached via XMPP), very simple XML format to let the client request arbitrary URLs from the service. Like this just over XMPP: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/102
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Link MauveWhy in a separate process, rather than using Prosody’s async stuff?
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jonaswisolation
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jonaswdon’t want to take the server process down due to some html parsing gone rwong
Link MauveThat should hopefully not happen.
jonaswbetter safe than s orry
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jonaswisolating this in another process doesn’t hurt
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Zashcomponent!
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jonaswyeah
jonaswor mod_client_proxy :)
jonaswwell, which is a component
Zashor bot
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jonaswhm, if I gave foorl some rate-limiting and an IQ interface, I could try doing that now-ish
moparisthebestOh didn't notice hipchat was atlassian too
GuusRight
moparisthebestThey want us to trial Microsoft teams at work
moparisthebestI showed them inverse.chat and such but I guess it's not cool enough
moparisthebestI suppose everything changing weekly will somehow be better
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Andrew Nenakhovjonasw, btw we chose different approach to share files and use xep-0221 instead of 0066.
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Ge0rGhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17620543 what a heated discussion
Ge0rGWhere are the xmpp trolls? 😁
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Andrew NenakhovBusy working on creating an xmpp based slack alternative. :-D
Ge0rGI've been in an org recently who want to do agile and don't know what slack is
Andrew NenakhovTo better understand what's good in it I tried to make part of my company use Slack.
Andrew NenakhovIt never caught on.
Andrew NenakhovDespite explicit orders to use it for communication.
Andrew NenakhovThing is we had a decent corporate xmpp server and all managers and designers didn't want to switch so they just found ways to still use jabber.
XSF Discussion - 2018-07-26