hi board members (and every one else ;-) )
do we have our meeting today? that may be implicit, but has not been made explicit
last week, we had two apologies, but no-one showed up
this week, we have no apologies so far, but many are on holidays I presume
I'd like to jump on a call, so if no answer, I'll miss today's meeting, ok
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MattJ
I'm around
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MattJ
If people are on holidays, I'd rather that we explicitly skip the meetings in future
jonasw
+1 from the floor
jonasw
Guus has at least been around earlier today
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Guus
I apologised for a couple of weeks. 😀
Guus
I'm here now by chance, but will drop in and out of WiFi.
jonasw
still on the trampoline?
jonasw
also, am I weird for first thinking about something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing) when you mentioned it the other day? :/
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Guus
No, and yes. 😁
jonasw
damn
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Guus
But you're in good company here. 😉
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404.city
hey, test
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nyco
Error
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jonasw
so how is a client using a "conversations compatible" XEP-0066 annotaiton on URLs to know whether to attach the OOB tag or not?
jonasw
on desktop, there’s no such thing as "sharing" a link or medium, so we can’t know whether a link is supposed to be displayed inline or not
jonasw
just annotating all link-only posts makes conversations and dino show it as a shared file instead of a shared link (for non-image content)
Zash
What are you asking?
jonasw
"who is at fault" maybe
jonasw
currently, jabbercat annotates all URL-only messages with <{oob}x/>
Zash
That seems wrong
jonasw
this is confusing because conversations and dino display it as "Open File" instead of the bare link for HTML
Zash
I think you want provide a way for the user to show their intent. Just pasting a link should be just a link.
jonasw
hm
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jonasw
my intent is, whenever I paste an image, I want it inline
jonasw
or video
jonasw
or audio
Zash
/embed example.jpg
Link Mauve
This whole shared/not shared link is pretty dumb in the first place, imo.
jonasw
too complicated
jonasw
Link Mauve, I agree
jonasw
I think we should just ignore the oob thing and treat all links equally
jonasw
(which is what jabbercat does)
Link Mauve
I once started a Prosody module which a receiving client could ask for “what is this link?”, and get back what to do with it, without compromising the user’s IP.
Link Mauve
jonasw, that’s what we do in poezio too.
Link Mauve
Converse also does that.
jonasw
Link Mauve, ah, I want to write such a thing too
Link Mauve
I’m still unsure what the consequences may be for the server and for privacy.
jonasw
yeah, tricky
Link Mauve
Like, if you get an answer quickly it may mean someone else on this server asked for this URL recently.
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jonasw
also in encrypted conversations you can’t really do that
Link Mauve
Of course you can, if you do trust your server for instance.
Link Mauve
Even if I were to use some e2ee, I still trust my server and my client equally, so it wouldn’t be an issue.
Link Mauve
Heck, I would even be fine with a Prosody implementation of e2ee. :D
jonasw
if you do trust your server, why are you using e2ee?
Zash
Why do people keep asking for e2ee?
Link Mauve
jonasw, because people seem to absolutely mandate it, or something.
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jonasw
I want a thing which terminates OMEMO on my server, actually.
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jonasw
that’s even better than trying to block it
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jonasw
can somebody do that pls
Zash
Like ye ol' mod_otr for ejabberd :)
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jonasw
Link Mauve, I intended to use the URL lookup feature I built into my XMPP bot over at xmpp@. Make it a separate process, possibly even on a separate machine (reached via XMPP), very simple XML format to let the client request arbitrary URLs from the service. Like this just over XMPP: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/102
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Link Mauve
Why in a separate process, rather than using Prosody’s async stuff?
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jonasw
isolation
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jonasw
don’t want to take the server process down due to some html parsing gone rwong
Link Mauve
That should hopefully not happen.
jonasw
better safe than s orry
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jonasw
isolating this in another process doesn’t hurt
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Zash
component!
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jonasw
yeah
jonasw
or mod_client_proxy :)
jonasw
well, which is a component
Zash
or bot
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jonasw
hm, if I gave foorl some rate-limiting and an IQ interface, I could try doing that now-ish