XSF Discussion - 2018-07-26

hey, test

hey

hi board members (and every one else ;-) ) do we have our meeting today? that may be implicit, but has not been made explicit last week, we had two apologies, but no-one showed up this week, we have no apologies so far, but many are on holidays I presume I'd like to jump on a call, so if no answer, I'll miss today's meeting, ok

I'm around

If people are on holidays, I'd rather that we explicitly skip the meetings in future

+1 from the floor

Guus has at least been around earlier today

I apologised for a couple of weeks. 😀

I'm here now by chance, but will drop in and out of WiFi.

still on the trampoline?

also, am I weird for first thinking about something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing) when you mentioned it the other day? :/

No, and yes. 😁

damn

But you're in good company here. 😉

hey, test

Error

so how is a client using a "conversations compatible" XEP-0066 annotaiton on URLs to know whether to attach the OOB tag or not?

on desktop, there’s no such thing as "sharing" a link or medium, so we can’t know whether a link is supposed to be displayed inline or not

just annotating all link-only posts makes conversations and dino show it as a shared file instead of a shared link (for non-image content)

What are you asking?

"who is at fault" maybe

currently, jabbercat annotates all URL-only messages with <{oob}x/>

That seems wrong

this is confusing because conversations and dino display it as "Open File" instead of the bare link for HTML

I think you want provide a way for the user to show their intent. Just pasting a link should be just a link.

hm

my intent is, whenever I paste an image, I want it inline

or video

or audio

/embed example.jpg

This whole shared/not shared link is pretty dumb in the first place, imo.

too complicated

Link Mauve, I agree

I think we should just ignore the oob thing and treat all links equally

(which is what jabbercat does)

I once started a Prosody module which a receiving client could ask for “what is this link?”, and get back what to do with it, without compromising the user’s IP.

jonasw, that’s what we do in poezio too.

Converse also does that.

Link Mauve, ah, I want to write such a thing too

I’m still unsure what the consequences may be for the server and for privacy.

yeah, tricky

Like, if you get an answer quickly it may mean someone else on this server asked for this URL recently.

also in encrypted conversations you can’t really do that

Of course you can, if you do trust your server for instance.

Even if I were to use some e2ee, I still trust my server and my client equally, so it wouldn’t be an issue.

Heck, I would even be fine with a Prosody implementation of e2ee. :D

if you do trust your server, why are you using e2ee?

Why do people keep asking for e2ee?

jonasw, because people seem to absolutely mandate it, or something.

I want a thing which terminates OMEMO on my server, actually.

that’s even better than trying to block it

can somebody do that pls

Like ye ol' mod_otr for ejabberd :)

Link Mauve, I intended to use the URL lookup feature I built into my XMPP bot over at xmpp@. Make it a separate process, possibly even on a separate machine (reached via XMPP), very simple XML format to let the client request arbitrary URLs from the service. Like this just over XMPP: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/102

Why in a separate process, rather than using Prosody’s async stuff?

isolation

don’t want to take the server process down due to some html parsing gone rwong

That should hopefully not happen.

better safe than s orry

isolating this in another process doesn’t hurt

component!

yeah

or mod_client_proxy :)

well, which is a component

or bot

hm, if I gave foorl some rate-limiting and an IQ interface, I could try doing that now-ish

yeah

so Slack is buing Stride and Hipchat

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/26/atlassians-hipchat-and-stride-to-be-discontinued-with-slack-buying-up-the-ip/

I wonder if that affects Jitsi

I thought jitsi was atlassian?

I can't keep up with it

It is

Oh didn't notice hipchat was atlassian too

Right

They want us to trial Microsoft teams at work

I showed them inverse.chat and such but I guess it's not cool enough

I suppose everything changing weekly will somehow be better

jonasw, btw we chose different approach to share files and use xep-0221 instead of 0066.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17620543 what a heated discussion

Where are the xmpp trolls? 😁

Busy working on creating an xmpp based slack alternative. :-D

I've been in an org recently who want to do agile and don't know what slack is

To better understand what's good in it I tried to make part of my company use Slack.

It never caught on.

Despite explicit orders to use it for communication.

Thing is we had a decent corporate xmpp server and all managers and designers didn't want to switch so they just found ways to still use jabber.