flow: the idea behind xmpp and xmpps in the same bucket is to allow server admins to define priority+weight between them
moparisthebest
In practice you can do whatever
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SamWhited
It should probably not be a 'should' then. I don't understand why server admins would ever want to do that
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flow
moparisthebest, I get that, but why should server admins want that?
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FWIW, i've recently implemented "multiple SRV service/proto ordering" in MiniDNS. But I still haven't heard a reason why the XEP specifies it
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edhelas
another question related to RSM, because it's not clear to me
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#jump, the <index>, it's starting from the end of the results (for MAM the older messages) or the beginning (the most recent) ?
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> It does that by including in its request the index of the first item to be returned
I seems to be from the beginning
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edhelas, the index zero refers to the first item in the full query reuslt
edhelas
so for MAM it's starting from the oldest messages, and for a Pubsub node starting from the most recent
jonasw
maybe
goffi
edhelas: I have no time to check right now (I'm at work), but I think I've experienced some inconsistencies on your blogs posts on ejabberd, and on mine with SÃ T Pubsub. I wanted to check that before reporting it (I'm not sure who's wrong), but the result is that when I use RSM I get oldest publications from your node.
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ok so there's definitly unclear things in the XEPs
goffi
not sure if it's in the XEP on just an implementation bug, I'll definitely have to check that this week, and I'll check with you then.
goffi
but right now I can't
edhelas
to me Pubsub node always list items from the most recent to the oldest, with RSM the <index> is then starting from the most recent (order by created_at desc offset :index)
edhelas
for MAM it seems (but again I'm not sure) to be the opposite
goffi
I kind of remember having asked something about that at a XMPP summit also
edhelas
ejabberd implements RSM for Pubsub but not MAM from what Holger told me
goffi
SÃ T Pubsub implements both
MattJ
What?
MattJ
RSM is required for MAM, it's not required for pubsub
edhelas
MattJ sorry, I was talking about the <index> option only
MattJ
Oh, ok
edhelas
ejabberd does supports RSM for MAM but not the <index> parameter :)
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MattJ but I'm curious to know your point of view regarding this ordering thing between Pubsub items and MAM messages
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I'm considering an order parameter in MAM anyway
edhelas
I think it would be the best :)
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edhelas: http://jabber.996255.n3.nabble.com/XEP-0313-why-it-is-really-not-a-good-idea-to-use-MAM-with-Pubsub-td36116.html ==> I have mentioned chronological issue there.
MattJ
Oh, is this about Pubsub + MAM + RSM?
edhelas
no
MattJ
Or just Pubsub + RSM?
edhelas
for me it was just Pubsub + RSM
edhelas
but MAM + RSM + Pubsub is another issue
MattJ
Ok, good
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goffi
I do use MAM + RSM + Pubsub
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pep.
The following might be worth watching, to apply to the XMPP community:
https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/9-ignoring-negativity/
https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/174-ignoring-negativity-followup/
"Dealing with negativity in [large] projects"