I’d love to skim it to gauge applicability/interest :(
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pep.
jonasw: so much negativity ;)
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jonaws, I've got text notes here for you: https://bpaste.net/raw/6e36088b2615
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Guus
Board o'clock
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Guus
No MattJ today, nor Nyco. RalphM, Martin?
nyco
so finally, I can make it
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Guus
🙂
Guus
seems to be just you and me though
nyco
what's the timeout value? 10 minutes? 😉
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MattJ
I'm kinda here, but can't promise I won't need to disappear
MattJ
And I'm multitasking
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nyco
so, do we do that meeting?
nyco
if MattJ is half here, then we are 2.5, is that a quorum? 😉
Guus
Let's skip until next week, unless someone wants to address something urgently
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nyco
next week, I'll a very constrained bandwidth, I think I'll have to skip it
nyco
I'll know better on Wednesday
Martin
Guus: I am not the xsf Martin 😉
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Guus
Martin, I know, but I'm not aware of XSF's Martins other nickname 🙂
Guus
nyco, ok, please let us know
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Guus
doesn't seem that there's much interest in continuing today
nyco
yep
nyco
thx
Guus
until we meet again!
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edhelas
https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html
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jonasw
okay wat
jonasw
something is kaputt
jonasw
I can’t access that, and I can’t access stackoverflow.
Ge0rG
jonasw: your internet is b0rked!
jonasw
yes, but why
jonasw
it is not DNS
edhelas
jonasw did you tried HTTP over XMPP ?
jonasw
edhelas, no
jonasw
IPv4 seems to be kaputt
edhelas
IPv6 is the new IPv4
jonasw
and the v6 of drewdevault.com is kaputt
jonasw
that explains it
jonasw
gonna reboot the router thing
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jonasw
odd
jonasw
also interesting how long I didn’t notice that v4 was b0rked
edhelas
it's maybe a good thing
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Ge0rG
> Last time I've tried Matrix (this spring) with a group of peers, my E2E rooms were full of random "failed to decrypt" and lots of out-of-band communications "hey, are my messages working for you today?"
I'm glad Matrix is having the same issues as XMPP with E2EE
jonasw
:)
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moparisthebest
What issues does XMPP have with it? :)
jonasw
moparisthebest, talk to the folks who regularly get OMEMO errors.
moparisthebest
Seriously though, for normal users who only have a phone it works flawlessly
Ge0rG
I sent you an OMEMO encrypted message but your client doesn’t seem to support that. Find more information on https://conversations.im/omemo
jonasw
I sent you an OMEMO encrypted message but your client doesn’t seem to support that. Find more information on https://conversations.im/omemo
moparisthebest
jonasw: likely only advanced users who like to flip knobs in advanced settings and try a lot of clients
moparisthebest
Ie, most people here, but no normal people
Ge0rG
moparisthebest: or people who try to configure a private MUC
jonasw
moparisthebest, we have fairly normal people around at xmpp@ who have (likely) OMEMO issues they just.can’t.solve, and thanks to the huge amount of moving parts which are required for OMEMO support, it’s impossible to debug
jonasw
because they’re not technical people and getting usable logs is ~impossible.✎
jonasw
also because they’re not technical people and getting usable logs is ~impossible. ✏
jonasw
but mostly because even when you get logs, it ends up with "eeehh... yeah, no idea"
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Ge0rG
Somebody should make a "Why am I losing messages in XMPP?" flowchart
jonasw
sounds like a plan
moparisthebest
I installed conversations on my Mom's phone years ago and she's never had issues, and you've never met a more technology incompetent person
Ge0rG
moparisthebest: did she ever *create* a private MUC?
jonasw
is s2s involved?
moparisthebest
She doesn't even know what words like omemo or xmpp are, it's just how she messages family, and it *just works*
moparisthebest
No on creating private muc
Ge0rG
moparisthebest: see!
moparisthebest
No s2s but that's not really a client concern anyway
jonasw
moparisthebest, nobody said anything about "client" concerns only
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Link Mauve
moparisthebest, when my father upgraded to some version of Conversations, he couldn’t even talk to me anymore because it was telling him I don’t have any OMEMO key, and he obviously didn’t read the error message and just assumed “it” stopped working.
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Link Mauve
He’s not totally illiterate, but he still doesn’t read error messages.
moparisthebest
That's also probably not the best error message if you don't know what omemo is
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moparisthebest
Was that because the default changed to omemo and you don't use it?