XSF Discussion - 2018-08-15

Oh hey, now there is an XMPP Mastodon account :D

https://mastodon.social/@xmpp

vanitasvitae, that’s 404.city’s personal account it seems.

Yes it is

Just want to point out that there is still no official XMPP mastodon account :(

What will be the "official one", you can create an official account on several servers. Should we have to deploy our own instance?

vanitasvitae, you mean an XSF account?

You can suggest that to the comm team.

See commteam@muc.xmpp.org (xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join).

For your amusement, Laura told me I could share this with everyone: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TefnTzRMrZJ3QoYiqci222SHzgFDy_Yd

Dave Cridland, we can’t access it (without a Google account maybe?).

Link Mauve, Ooops! Default sharing rules are silly. Fixed.

D’aww !

cute :)

Haha, lovely!

cute :3

Link Mauve: strange, conversations added the muc as a contact :D manually joining the muc worked though

vanitasvitae, you mean it doesn’t understand ?join as targetting a MUC? :/

Looks like it

Maybe becuase of tue parenthesis?

Uh, there are no parentheses here.

Not in my message anyway.

Maybe the dot after the link?

> See commteam@muc.xmpp.org (xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join). I mean the link is in parentheses

Some clients (like poezio) display XHTML-IM links like that, when the content doesn’t match the URL.

Other ones prefer to put the URL in a status bar on hover, like web browsers.

I don’t know how Conversations does it.

If you store a MUC PM for later transmission, and rejoin the MUC, is it a good idea to deliver the PM even if you have no way to check whether the participant is the same person as before?

I would question storing the PM in the first place if not (instead of returning an error). Also, I'd prefer not to tbh. Unless you see realjids, but that might not be the case anymore when you get back to the room

Yeah, seems like you should just fail on that one

But in 99.9% of cases it's the same person!

What if they leave and someone else enter with the same nickname just as you press Send?

Yes, you can't be sure! There are always race conditions!

So I can store and send out as well, for better usability.

Make XMPP Not Lose Messages Again

is it possible to mute a user in a MUC ?

Hm, perhaps the server could prevent direct reuse of nicknames too quickly after someone leaves

Just in the Prosody MUC today someone joined via the webchat and then left and rejoined from their client using their actual account

What would have happened in that case?

Borked

wait, conflict, try a gain in a moment

MattJ: Hm, also if they reconnect with to the web chat...

Tho in cases where the MUC knows about anonymous auth, maybe it can be more lenient

edhelas, yes with privacy lists

Gajim allows blocking users in MUCs

no I mean more admins that are allowing users to stay but cannot talk to anyone

yes set channel to moderate

and give people voice

Yes, if the room is moderated and their role is set to visitor

oh nice :)

thanks

hmm... is there a way for transport to send something like an outgoing carbon? (so if you send a message natively on a foreign network, XMPP client shows it too?)

dos: this was discussed recently. Sent carbons MUST come from your bare JID for security reasons. IIRC we had an idea for a workaround on standards@