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edhelas
12:00:07
https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-19/
edhelas
12:00:40
funny thing is that Purism is in partnership with Matrix :)
jonasw
12:01:03
yeah, that’s probably why they’re using libpurple.
jonasw
12:01:08
make the xmpp stuff as awful as possible ;-)
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(not serious, obviously)
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nyco
13:23:27
board meeting, soon
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MattJ
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.
nyco
13:32:09
go?
Guus
13:32:16
o/
Guus
13:32:26
Ralphm, Martin?
nyco
13:32:27
we're, good enough
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nyco
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3
Guus
13:32:52
I'm kinda stressing to make a deadline
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nyco
13:33:08
sure, so we cancel, postpone?
Guus
13:33:11
let's call todays attendance 2.5 🙂
Guus
13:33:26
Oh, please continue
nyco
13:33:26
is 2.5 a quorum?
Guus
13:33:36
if we get three votes it is
MattJ
13:33:44
I'm good
nyco
13:33:45
;-)
MattJ
13:33:48
Let's go
MattJ
13:33:53
0) Role call
MattJ
13:34:01
Guus, nyco and myself
MattJ
13:34:07
Minutes... anyone?
MattJ
13:34:21
I'll do them
Guus
13:34:25
I'll wrt... ok 🙂
MattJ
13:34:28
1) Agenda bashing
MattJ
13:34:36
Anyone with anything not on Trello?
nyco
13:34:45
board's prio, thx to survey
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MattJ
13:34:58
That's on Trello, I was just looking at it ;)
nyco
13:35:03
yep
nyco
13:35:18
https://trello.com/c/Al4GHsYy/311-proposed-prios-for-the-2018-2019-board-based-on-survey
MattJ
13:35:31
2) Topics for decisions: Proposed priorities for the 2018-19 board
MattJ
13:35:58
I've not finished reading or ingesting the proposals yet
MattJ
13:36:33
So I propose we all take a look at them and discuss on Trello/list/next week and make whatever decisions we need to make, if any
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nyco
13:36:55
seems like we're good on protocol, and we can stay neutral on software
nyco
13:37:06
+1
Guus
13:37:07
Nyco mentioned he prepared for this, but I've not read it yet
Guus
13:37:10
oh, that's that link
Guus
13:37:36
eh, yeah, let's give Ralph and Martin time to look at that too
Guus
13:37:43
nyco, maybe share them on the board mailinglist?
MattJ
13:37:44
Ok, moving on
MattJ
13:37:48
+1 to that
nyco
13:37:51
ok
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3) Commitment for the week ahead (right...): Collect info on role of ED
MattJ
13:38:36
I think someone else needs to take this on, who isn't Martin
MattJ
13:38:47
I can bring it up on the list
Guus
13:38:57
ok.
MattJ
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4) Topics for discussion
Guus
13:39:30
i suspect some people may want to tie in the discussion I started with regards to longer tenure
Guus
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(nevermind, please go ahead)
MattJ
13:39:54
I see 3 items: finances and fundraising, ED replacement, change of board tenure
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I believe the first two are currently stalled on other things, with no updates
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Does anyone have anything they want to say about them?
Guus
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I'm unsure of the state of the finance/fundraising with existing / old sponsors. I've not heard back from Peter, and neglected to follow up for a couple of weeks.
Guus
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But I think we might want to include others than just Peter for following up with sponsors
MattJ
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+1
MattJ
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4.1) Change of board tenure
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13:41:21
I'll try to reach out and discuss this with him
MattJ
13:41:37
This has had some discussion on the lists, I haven't been through it all yet
Guus
13:41:48
board tenure: there was some discussion in the mailing list, of which I read only half (some kind of mail problem, I think)
MattJ
13:41:53
I'm not really sure of my thoughts on the matter yet
Kev
13:42:02
I think one question answers it.
MattJ
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Kev, the question being?
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Kev
13:42:40
How often have we been in a position that someone was wanted to do more than one year, but the membership decided to replace the entire Board instead (and part two, if the membership decides it doesn't want any to stay on, is that a sign)?
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MattJ
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Well, we can reflect on that and discuss next week
Guus
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I like how you make one question have two parts. 🙂
Kev
13:43:37
My memory of votes is that the membership almost always votes in incumbents for Council/Board when they stand, and the issue with Board continuity is mostly people not wanting to do another year.
Kev
13:43:49
Guus: My use of English is, hopefully, unique.
Guus
13:43:50
I see a lot of overlap though
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Guus
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only nyco and me are new this year, I think.
nyco
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nope! ;-)
Guus
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only me is new this year?
MattJ
13:44:32
I can understand why people don't want to do multiple years, it's a frustrating thankless job in my honest opinion :)
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nyco
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though I feel it frustrating as well, I don't think it is thankless
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13:45:30
I'm not arguing that we must have a two-year tenure, btw
MattJ
13:45:45
I think the best place to progress the discussion is on the list, where the conversation currently is (I'm assuming they are fixed now)
Guus
13:45:49
I'd primarily want to improve continuity
nyco
13:45:58
anyway, concretely, a longer tenure seems not possible in terms of org neither wishable by candidates, is my understand aligned?
Guus
13:46:16
I wouldn't mind doing two years, for what its worth
MattJ
13:46:20
It may be so
Guus
13:46:34
but there might be other options
Guus
13:46:43
to the list it is, as far as I'm concerned.
MattJ
13:46:49
Ok, agreed
MattJ
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5) AOB?
Guus
13:47:06
none here
MattJ
13:47:45
Ok
MattJ
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6) The End
nyco
13:48:04
thx all
MattJ
13:48:14
Assuming everyone is happy with +1w
Guus
13:48:16
+1w, rigth 🙂
Kev
13:48:26
Guus: FWIW, I'd be surprised if you stood and the Membership didn't elect you. Which is pretty much at the root of me thinking changing the bylaws on this isn't worthwhile.
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13:49:30
Kev, like I said, making tenure longer isn't my goal here. I've just noticed that things die down often, which is what I'd like to see change
Kev
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I suspect longer terms would have the opposite of the desired effect for that.
Guus
13:49:57
preventing boards from changing frequently is one way of doing that, I think, but there might be other ways
Kev
13:50:09
I think the election, standing again, etc., tends to add a little energy back into the system. IMO.
Guus
13:50:38
so we should have more elections then! 🙂
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jonasw
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daniel, HSLuv looks interesting
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jonasw: looks to me like the right tool for the job. This is pretty much exactly what we want. And colors like nice by default
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jonasw
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meh
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This whole thing is so close to the literal definition of bike-shedding, it's scary
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Fun fact: Our bike sheds are not painted.
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Zash, because the committee is still deciding
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good that the HSLuv documentation doesn’t say which range H is in.
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ugh.
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jonasw
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daniel, did you compare HSLuv and HPLuv?
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daniel
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jonasw: no
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jonasw
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mmm negative RGB values. fancy.
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I hate that C implementation already.
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jonasw
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MattJ, at least, there’s actual functional differences here. HSLuv looks better than YCbCr right away
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and there are libraries for the major languages
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which is also great
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jonasw
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https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/GZ8ju7HjrP0t1SR3jMV8SQRK0amD8hB6zSiN_8GQOyk.png
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left: HPLuv, right: HSLuv
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https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png
left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv
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the definition of the angle is obviously different
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but that doesn’t matter
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HSLuv looks better to me
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There seems more contrast in the XEP's colours
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(this is the first time I have seen any of them)
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aren’t you using poezio? ;-)
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An old version.
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Yes, from 2016 or so
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The XEP ones seem to be more uniform in brightness
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Zash, really? I thought the opposite...
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MattJ
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Colours :/
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The ones in the middle of the right square look dark and grey and boring
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Except in the yellow tones, I also find the XEP ones more consistent.
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disclaimer: I’m not sure I’m gamma-ing those colours correctly
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also, your viewer may add or not add some gamma correction to this which makes things worse or better, I don’t know
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On my screen, the middle row is the same teal from left to right. ^^'
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disclaimer: I've got a really cheap monitor, no way it's callibrated in any way whatsoever
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Also running it in some extra-brightness mode becasue colors looked really crappy otherwise
Link Mauve
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Actually the three rows at the middle are almost the same colour.
Link Mauve
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jonasw, is your PNG ICC enabled?
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is what what?
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it’s generated with scrot
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I don’t know how that production chain does it.
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so the answer is most likely "no"
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also, I am just dumping some RGB QColor things onto the screen there
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oh right, the "standard" mode on my monitor makes black insanely bright for some reason
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