XSF Discussion - 2018-08-31

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edhelas 06:12:38
hi everyone, I'm planning to work on a new XEP that could greatly improve the use of Jingle into XMPP clients
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edhelas 06:16:30
it could be called Jingle Messaging or Jingle Call History, the idea would be to allow Jingle XMPP clients to send <messages> to the other party to notify it about events that happened on Jingle. I found 3 use cases: a <message> that said that you missed a call (with a <body> for uncompatible clients), another to say that you had a call of 2:54 min with the other contact and a voicemail (basically a <message> with a specific tag and an audio file attached to it).
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edhelas 06:18:00
That way those messages could be saved on MAM and all the clients could then have the history of all the calls that happened with the other contacts. I could also be notified on Conversations that someone tried to call me and then connect on Movim to make the call again (Conversations has then the role of a "pager").
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MattJ 07:54:59
edhelas, sounds interesting :)
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jonasw 08:04:32
edhelas, I wonder if the "missed call" case can already be covered by archiving Jingle requests?
jonasw 08:04:46
(those are <message/>s IIRC)
edhelas 08:05:01
ah maybe
jonasw 08:05:23
not sure if they contain enough information to discern "call" and "file transfer" and other jingle use cases though
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Link Mauve 09:53:16
edhelas, you mean https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html
Link Mauve 09:53:32
Please adopt it instead of writing a new one.
edhelas 09:55:22
no this is not what I was talking about
edhelas 09:55:42
this is about dealing with someone that is online
edhelas 09:55:56
in my use cases the other party could be gone
Link Mauve 09:56:02
You will receive it from MAM once you are offline.
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edhelas 11:54:18
I see, it solves some of the cases
edhelas 11:55:34
great
edhelas 11:55:41
is there clients that are implementing that ?
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jonasw 13:39:18
is support@404.city a spammer or actually the 404.city person?
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goffi 14:23:22
edhelas: not yet, but I'm planning to implement this one, it's really handy.
Link Mauve 14:24:17
edhelas, I have it implemented in my Rust library, but there is no working client yet.
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edhelas 14:36:58
ok :)
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moparisthebest 21:50:26
https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png > left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv
moparisthebest 21:51:17
jonasw: left looks best to me of all 4, the other 3 are a lot darker and look like 1 color per row to me
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moparisthebest 21:52:19
Just FYI I'm a bit colorblind so take it with grain of salt, would like to see real life name coloring again :) (like names from this muc)
Zash 21:53:18
Name tags! IRL name tags for everyone!
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404.city 22:09:10
Server 404 https://compliance.conversations.im/server/404.city/ has disappeared from the list https://compliance.conversations.im
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lovetox 23:31:45
haha moparisthebest comedy your last sentence :D
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moparisthebest 23:32:31
lovetox: ?
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Zash 23:36:55
moparisthebest: You wanna see the algorithms applied to actual nicknames like the ones in this room?
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Zash: yes
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moparisthebest 23:53:55
jonasw generated examples using real room names before, they turned out too similar for me
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