XSF Discussion - 2018-08-31

  1. edhelas

    hi everyone, I'm planning to work on a new XEP that could greatly improve the use of Jingle into XMPP clients

  2. edhelas

    it could be called Jingle Messaging or Jingle Call History, the idea would be to allow Jingle XMPP clients to send <messages> to the other party to notify it about events that happened on Jingle. I found 3 use cases: a <message> that said that you missed a call (with a <body> for uncompatible clients), another to say that you had a call of 2:54 min with the other contact and a voicemail (basically a <message> with a specific tag and an audio file attached to it).

  3. edhelas

    That way those messages could be saved on MAM and all the clients could then have the history of all the calls that happened with the other contacts. I could also be notified on Conversations that someone tried to call me and then connect on Movim to make the call again (Conversations has then the role of a "pager").

  4. MattJ

    edhelas, sounds interesting :)

  5. jonasw

    edhelas, I wonder if the "missed call" case can already be covered by archiving Jingle requests?

  6. jonasw

    (those are <message/>s IIRC)

  7. edhelas

    ah maybe

  8. jonasw

    not sure if they contain enough information to discern "call" and "file transfer" and other jingle use cases though

  9. Link Mauve

    edhelas, you mean https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html

  10. Link Mauve

    Please adopt it instead of writing a new one.

  11. edhelas

    no this is not what I was talking about

  12. edhelas

    this is about dealing with someone that is online

  13. edhelas

    in my use cases the other party could be gone

  14. Link Mauve

    You will receive it from MAM once you are offline.

  15. edhelas

    I see, it solves some of the cases

  16. edhelas

    great

  17. edhelas

    is there clients that are implementing that ?

  18. jonasw

    is support@404.city a spammer or actually the 404.city person?

  19. goffi

    edhelas: not yet, but I'm planning to implement this one, it's really handy.

  20. Link Mauve

    edhelas, I have it implemented in my Rust library, but there is no working client yet.

  21. edhelas

    ok :)

  22. moparisthebest

    https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png > left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv

  23. moparisthebest

    jonasw: left looks best to me of all 4, the other 3 are a lot darker and look like 1 color per row to me

  24. moparisthebest

    Just FYI I'm a bit colorblind so take it with grain of salt, would like to see real life name coloring again :) (like names from this muc)

  25. Zash

    Name tags! IRL name tags for everyone!

  26. 404.city

    Server 404 https://compliance.conversations.im/server/404.city/ has disappeared from the list https://compliance.conversations.im

  27. lovetox

    haha moparisthebest comedy your last sentence :D

  28. moparisthebest

    lovetox: ?

  29. Zash

    moparisthebest: You wanna see the algorithms applied to actual nicknames like the ones in this room?

  30. moparisthebest

    Zash: yes

  31. moparisthebest

    jonasw generated examples using real room names before, they turned out too similar for me