XSF Discussion - 2018-09-13


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  28. peter

    beautiful :(

  29. peter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists

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  431. edhelas

    is there people going to the 35c3 this year ?

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  434. Link Mauve

    o/

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  436. edhelas

    nice :) would it be possible to get early tickets by the XSF folks ?

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  440. Yagiza

    Hello!

  441. Seve/SouL

    Haven't checked when is it (and also never been there)

  442. Yagiza

    First test release of eyeCU with my Jingle RTP Sessions implementation is out.

  443. Yagiza

    Windows build only so far. No installer - just a ZIP archive. Anyone wish to test it?

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  445. Link Mauve

    Yagiza, does it run in Wine?

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  447. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, I don't know. It uses Qt5 for MSVC12 and FFMpeg libraries for Windows.

  448. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, never tried to run it with Wine.

  449. Link Mauve

    I didn’t manage to finish to build it the other day btw, I couldn’t find any mention of qputil or qpdns.

  450. Link Mauve

    Where does it come from?

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  453. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, those libraries are from QtPurple framework.

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  515. Yagiza

    Here's the link for those, who want to test: http://eyecu.ru/download/eyecu2-test.zip

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  517. Yagiza

    It shoul run on Windows'XP and newer.

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  524. Yagiza

    If my implementation of XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177 and XEP-0266 is wrong or incorrect, please, let me know.

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  535. Link Mauve

    Yagiza, have you done any interoperability testing with other clients, such as Gajim (0.16, not 1.0), Pidgin or Psi?

  536. Link Mauve

    Or Empathy.

  537. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, not yet. It was just released and I didn't even tested connectivity outside of my own flat.

  538. Link Mauve

    Ok. :)

  539. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, so, I'm looking for testers.

  540. Link Mauve

    Yagiza, is https://github.com/gatlin/QPurple the most up to date QPurple project? There hasn’t been a single commit in five years. :/

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  542. Yagiza

    Link Mauve, I guess, no. QtPurple is a different project from Purple Soft.

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  544. pep.

    edhelas: it would be nice to get early tickets indeed. I think mathieui did it last year? Just send an email asking for it?

  545. MattJ

    daniel, does Conversations do XEP-0333 in MUC? And does it just sync all messages even if I'm offline for 2 months?

  546. MattJ

    Seems many clients are struggling with long MAM sync times, especially in busy MUCs after being offline for some time

  547. MattJ

    With no way to know which messages you want or don't want from that history

  548. daniel

    MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response

  549. Ge0rG

    MattJ: do you have principal suggestions on how to solve the offline-for-some-time problem?

  550. MattJ

    Ge0rG, once I do, I'll let you know

  551. MattJ

    I'm in research mode right now

  552. daniel

    No. Max catchup is a week or so

  553. daniel

    I don't have anything clever to fill the gaps

  554. daniel

    > MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response Which I have been meaning to write down

  555. MattJ

    daniel, to which response?

  556. daniel

    It's `<displayed id='123' jid='room@service/MattJ' />`

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  558. daniel

    Might be `by` instead of jid

  559. daniel

    But the idea is the same

  560. MattJ

    and you send that to the bare JID of the MUC?

  561. daniel

    Yes

  562. MattJ

    That's very helpful, thanks

  563. daniel

    I mean it's unique since only the time of writing counts right

  564. daniel

    So you don't have to worry about changing nicks

  565. daniel

    Lol locking at my code it's actually called 'sender'

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  567. daniel

    MattJ: but that's essentially what I was trying to tell you at the developers Meetup. That's how you can solve the attachment / references problem as well

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  569. MattJ

    Well, MattJ could leave the room, someone takes his nick and then sends another message with id='123'

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  571. daniel

    oh. that’s true. i hadn’t considered yet.

  572. MattJ

    Also I'm pondering rewriting ids in MUCs anyway (yes, yes, I know...)

  573. MattJ

    The sender's id would still be reflected back to them, as XEP-0045 now requires

  574. MattJ

    But I guess this would break XEP-0333 from the perspective of everyone else in the room

  575. MattJ

    Unless the MUC also mapped those... ick

  576. daniel

    MattJ: well not with my fancy client id fall back

  577. MattJ

    I'm quite behind "id attribute and origin-id should be set the same"

  578. MattJ

    It makes it clear that origin-id can always be used as a fallback in these kinds of cases

  579. Ge0rG

    daniel: "my fancy client id fall back" is exactly what I'd like to avoid all client developers having to get right

  580. MattJ

    The problem for MUC is that the id attribute is the only way to track delivery errors to occupants

  581. Ge0rG

    daniel: I remember you being strongly opposed to the "fancy client-side self-ping" solution not too long ago.

  582. MattJ

    so if it can't guarantee that those ids are unique, it can't handle delivery failures properly

  583. daniel

    Ge0rG: yeah but because of the resources. Not because it's complicated

  584. Ge0rG

    MattJ: you could reject incoming messages with duplicate IDs :P

  585. daniel

    Origin ID doesn't consume resources

  586. Zash

    So what we should do is to have the MUC produce its own IDs!!!

  587. MattJ

    Zash, that's what I was thinking, of course :)

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  589. MattJ

    Also, on another MUC-related note...

  590. MattJ

    I'm considering sending <presence type="unavailable"/> from unavailable affiliated occupants when you join

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  592. Ge0rG

    MattJ: what problem do you want to solve? additional IQs to obtain affiliation/admin lists?

  593. MattJ

    It seems a more natural way to do it than the iq method, yes

  594. MattJ

    and although the XEP allows fetching the member list, it doesn't allow fetching admins/owners

  595. MattJ

    Which would leak JIDs in semi-anon rooms anyway

  596. MattJ

    the presence would always work

  597. daniel

    But what do you put as nick then?

  598. Ge0rG

    except you'd need clients to rely on the presence push to not query affiliation

  599. daniel

    =resource. You know what I mean

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  601. Ge0rG

    Just leave it empty. It worked well enough for avatars 😁

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  603. MattJ

    daniel, Prosody is now storing nicks with affiliations

  604. daniel

    Ge0rG: yeah but if the room is anon then it's essentially no information at all

  605. daniel

    If you have an empty presence w/o jid in the x and resource

  606. Ge0rG

    Use the room JID and let the client figure out all the <x> stuffed in there ;)

  607. MattJ

    No, this would come from the occupant JID, on the assumption that Prosody knows the nick associated with the affiliation

  608. MattJ

    This is already in XEP-0045, and there is already a config option in the XEP for toggling whether to include these presence stanzas

  609. daniel

    What option?

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  615. MattJ

    daniel, I take it back, it's not a config option, it's a status code

  616. MattJ

    <statuscode> <number>102</number> <stanza>message</stanza> <context>Configuration change</context> <purpose> Inform occupants that room now shows unavailable members </purpose> </statuscode>

  617. MattJ

    I thought there was a corresponding option, but I can't see it right now with Ctrl+F at least

  618. daniel

    45 is full of surprises

  619. MattJ

    Yes, this was a fun find

  620. Ge0rG

    The most surprising things of 45 are the ones *not* written in the XEP.

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  704. nyco

    ding

  705. MattJ

    dong

  706. MattJ

    ralphm, Guus

  707. Guus

    MattJ, I'm unavailable as announced

  708. Guus

    Can maybe lurk at best

  709. MattJ

    Oh, sorry

  710. Guus

    Np

  711. MattJ

    I propose we skip then

  712. MattJ

    Has anyone heard from ralphm?

  713. nyco

    ah right, thx for the reminder, so no quorum...

  714. nyco

    +1W?

  715. MattJ

    wfm

  716. Guus

    MattJ: not me

  717. nyco

    not me

  718. nyco

    :'(

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  721. ralphm

    I am still alive

  722. ralphm

    But overloaded with work meetings

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  733. MattJ

    ralphm, ok, glad you're ok :)

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  736. nyco

    aaaah

  737. nyco

    so let's overload him even more!

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  754. ralphm

    Next week should be better. 🤞

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    Famous last words

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