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beautiful :(
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists
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is there people going to the 35c3 this year ?
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Link Mauve
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o/
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nice :) would it be possible to get early tickets by the XSF folks ?
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Hello!
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Haven't checked when is it (and also never been there)
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First test release of eyeCU with my Jingle RTP Sessions implementation is out.
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Windows build only so far. No installer - just a ZIP archive. Anyone wish to test it?
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Link Mauve
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Yagiza, does it run in Wine?
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Link Mauve, I don't know. It uses Qt5 for MSVC12 and FFMpeg libraries for Windows.
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Link Mauve, never tried to run it with Wine.
Link Mauve
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I didn’t manage to finish to build it the other day btw, I couldn’t find any mention of qputil or qpdns.
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Where does it come from?
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Link Mauve, those libraries are from QtPurple framework.
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Here's the link for those, who want to test:
http://eyecu.ru/download/eyecu2-test.zip
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It shoul run on Windows'XP and newer.
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If my implementation of XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177 and XEP-0266 is wrong or incorrect, please, let me know.
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Link Mauve
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Yagiza, have you done any interoperability testing with other clients, such as Gajim (0.16, not 1.0), Pidgin or Psi?
Link Mauve
11:34:02
Or Empathy.
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11:35:43
Link Mauve, not yet. It was just released and I didn't even tested connectivity outside of my own flat.
Link Mauve
11:35:51
Ok. :)
Yagiza
11:36:08
Link Mauve, so, I'm looking for testers.
Link Mauve
11:38:39
Yagiza, is https://github.com/gatlin/QPurple the most up to date QPurple project? There hasn’t been a single commit in five years. :/
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Link Mauve, I guess, no. QtPurple is a different project from Purple Soft.
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pep.
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edhelas: it would be nice to get early tickets indeed. I think mathieui did it last year? Just send an email asking for it?
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daniel, does Conversations do XEP-0333 in MUC? And does it just sync all messages even if I'm offline for 2 months?
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Seems many clients are struggling with long MAM sync times, especially in busy MUCs after being offline for some time
MattJ
11:43:03
With no way to know which messages you want or don't want from that history
daniel
11:44:25
MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response
Ge0rG
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MattJ: do you have principal suggestions on how to solve the offline-for-some-time problem?
MattJ
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Ge0rG, once I do, I'll let you know
MattJ
11:44:59
I'm in research mode right now
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11:45:07
No. Max catchup is a week or so
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I don't have anything clever to fill the gaps
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11:45:35
> MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response
Which I have been meaning to write down
MattJ
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daniel, to which response?
daniel
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It's `<displayed id='123' jid='room@service/MattJ' />`
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daniel
11:47:03
Might be `by` instead of jid
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But the idea is the same
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and you send that to the bare JID of the MUC?
daniel
11:47:44
Yes
MattJ
11:48:03
That's very helpful, thanks
daniel
11:48:05
I mean it's unique since only the time of writing counts right
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So you don't have to worry about changing nicks
daniel
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Lol locking at my code it's actually called 'sender'
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MattJ: but that's essentially what I was trying to tell you at the developers Meetup. That's how you can solve the attachment / references problem as well
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MattJ
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Well, MattJ could leave the room, someone takes his nick and then sends another message with id='123'
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daniel
11:53:35
oh. that’s true. i hadn’t considered yet.
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Also I'm pondering rewriting ids in MUCs anyway (yes, yes, I know...)
MattJ
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The sender's id would still be reflected back to them, as XEP-0045 now requires
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But I guess this would break XEP-0333 from the perspective of everyone else in the room
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Unless the MUC also mapped those... ick
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MattJ: well not with my fancy client id fall back
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I'm quite behind "id attribute and origin-id should be set the same"
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It makes it clear that origin-id can always be used as a fallback in these kinds of cases
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daniel: "my fancy client id fall back" is exactly what I'd like to avoid all client developers having to get right
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The problem for MUC is that the id attribute is the only way to track delivery errors to occupants
Ge0rG
11:58:21
daniel: I remember you being strongly opposed to the "fancy client-side self-ping" solution not too long ago.
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so if it can't guarantee that those ids are unique, it can't handle delivery failures properly
daniel
11:58:52
Ge0rG: yeah but because of the resources. Not because it's complicated
Ge0rG
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MattJ: you could reject incoming messages with duplicate IDs :P
daniel
11:59:00
Origin ID doesn't consume resources
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So what we should do is to have the MUC produce its own IDs!!!
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Zash, that's what I was thinking, of course :)
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MattJ
12:04:02
Also, on another MUC-related note...
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I'm considering sending <presence type="unavailable"/> from unavailable affiliated occupants when you join
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Ge0rG
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MattJ: what problem do you want to solve? additional IQs to obtain affiliation/admin lists?
MattJ
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It seems a more natural way to do it than the iq method, yes
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and although the XEP allows fetching the member list, it doesn't allow fetching admins/owners
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Which would leak JIDs in semi-anon rooms anyway
MattJ
12:06:31
the presence would always work
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12:06:51
But what do you put as nick then?
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except you'd need clients to rely on the presence push to not query affiliation
daniel
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=resource. You know what I mean
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Ge0rG
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Just leave it empty. It worked well enough for avatars 😁
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MattJ
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daniel, Prosody is now storing nicks with affiliations
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Ge0rG: yeah but if the room is anon then it's essentially no information at all
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If you have an empty presence w/o jid in the x and resource
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Use the room JID and let the client figure out all the <x> stuffed in there ;)
MattJ
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No, this would come from the occupant JID, on the assumption that Prosody knows the nick associated with the affiliation
MattJ
12:11:31
This is already in XEP-0045, and there is already a config option in the XEP for toggling whether to include these presence stanzas
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12:12:23
What option?
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daniel, I take it back, it's not a config option, it's a status code
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<statuscode>
<number>102</number>
<stanza>message</stanza>
<context>Configuration change</context>
<purpose>
Inform occupants that room now shows unavailable members
</purpose>
</statuscode>
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I thought there was a corresponding option, but I can't see it right now with Ctrl+F at least
daniel
12:15:26
45 is full of surprises
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12:15:36
Yes, this was a fun find
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The most surprising things of 45 are the ones *not* written in the XEP.
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nyco
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ding
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dong
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ralphm, Guus
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MattJ, I'm unavailable as announced
Guus
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Can maybe lurk at best
MattJ
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Oh, sorry
Guus
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Np
MattJ
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I propose we skip then
MattJ
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Has anyone heard from ralphm?
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ah right, thx for the reminder, so no quorum...
nyco
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+1W?
MattJ
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wfm
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MattJ: not me
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not me
nyco
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:'(
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I am still alive
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But overloaded with work meetings
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MattJ
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ralphm, ok, glad you're ok :)
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nyco
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aaaah
nyco
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so let's overload him even more!
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ralphm
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Next week should be better. 🤞
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Famous last words
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