neshtaxmpp: haven't seen that one, there is also https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
moparisthebest
Nothing specific to web server involved though if you use sslh
neshtaxmpp
moparisisthbest... dude dont know we are trying from 4 hours run sslh and cant run on debian. thrre is not decent manuals
moparisthebest
That's not my experience, what's the problem
neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest we dont have decent manuals how to do it.
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: copy paste the example from the wiki I linked
neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest‎ first we find this: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingProsody#XMPP_over_HTTPS aqnd this is false, this is second: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368 and here they say first is false.
moparisthebest
What is false
moparisthebest
On the second link
neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest‎: not according with truth or fact; incorrect. made to imitate something in order to deceive.
"the trunk had a false bottom"
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neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest my friend use apache2
Maranda
EPARSEFAILURE
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: I can fix that page though, so I'd something is wrong let me know
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moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: so what? Use the sslh example not the nginx example
moparisthebest
It's sslh OR nginx, not both
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest it dont work. when my friend use wiki xmpp and start sslh it comment error on line 16
neshtaxmpp
error line 16 is this: );
neshtaxmpp
bellow: { host: "0.0.0.0"; port: "443"; },
neshtaxmpp
and sslh refused to start
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moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: are you running the minimum version it requires?
neshtaxmpp
my friend download from debian apt-get install sslh
moparisthebest
Either that or you don't have ipv4 on that box
moparisthebest
So check the version
neshtaxmpp
my proposition was maybe he dont have installed sslh alpn, but there is no sslh with alpn
moparisthebest
'debian' goes from ancient to new
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neshtaxmpp
sslh -V: sslh-fork 1.18-1
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moparisthebest
That should work, run it as verbose as possible and look for errors
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neshtaxmpp
moparisbest my friend question is: in /et/default/sslh what is correct:
Whatever, just try things, like I said it won't explode
neshtaxmpp
wait
daniel
Maybe the last `,` is too much
daniel
If it's like json
neshtaxmpp
comment out ); it comment other error: /etc/sslh/sslh.cfg:25:syntax error
neshtaxmpp
error line 25 is this: protocols:
daniel
Probably look at other examples from the sslh website
neshtaxmpp
daniel my paste it 100 % 1:1
neshtaxmpp
my friend
moparisthebest
Ah could be, try removing last comma
moparisthebest
daniel: does conversations.im use sslh anymore?
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest you mean from here: { host: "0.0.0.0"; port: "443"; },
daniel
moparisthebest: no
daniel
Ejabberd does it natively now
daniel
And we have a second IP for http
moparisthebest
That is where the error is isn't it neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest
daniel: ah nice, yea nginx is an option now too
moparisthebest
Haven't tested it but I assume it's faster
neshtaxmpp
daniel but compliance.conversations.im complaint xmpp over tls is not enabled.
neshtaxmpp
daniel for that my friend want to enable xmpp over tls.
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest in line 25 there is no coma
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: different topics
Zash
So, they don't care about why, they just want all the green?
daniel
Zash: obviously
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Maranda
neshtaxmpp, that checks only srv records afair for 368
Zash
I find it somewhat dishonest of that site to advertise itself as "XMPP compliance", when it's more like "Conversations server feature wishlist/requirements"
neshtaxmpp
zash if you start think. yes xmpp over tls is important becouse ther is airport who block port 5222 so xmpp will not work if it is not enabled.
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neshtaxmpp
maranda what check... the web site... i get it from pix-art.de
daniel
Zash: that doesn't have such a nice ring to it tho
Maranda
neshtaxmpp, O_o
Maranda
‎[16:23:36] ‎neshtaxmpp‎: daniel but compliance.conversations.im complaint xmpp over tls is not enabled.
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so guys is it important to enable xmpp over tls or not... please help my friend enable it, if this is important.
Maranda
"that checks only for srv records afair"
neshtaxmpp
maranda srv " you mean dns, newbiew will not understand it, you have to be simpler " are enabled.
neshtaxmpp
dns are like this: _xmpps-client._tcp.example.org. 86400 IN SRV 5 0 443 xmpp.example.org.
_xmpp-client._tcp.example.org. 86400 IN SRV 10 0 443 xmpp.example.org.
_xmpp-client._tcp.example.org. 86400 IN SRV 15 0 5222 xmpp.example.org.
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neshtaxmpp
moparisbest so what you referr with " the last coma " ," "
lovetox
neshtaxmpp, it seems it a problem with parsing the config file, it should not be hard to find out what the syntax error is here
lovetox
just look at other examples of config files on the net, and see where its different
Maranda
actually it does, nm
neshtaxmpp
lovetox for hackers and developers it is not problems, but for peoples who are not hackers and developers this is matter issue
lovetox
listen:
(
{ host: "thelonious"; port: "443"; }
);
lovetox
there this line
lovetox
after the } remove the " , "
lovetox
try again
neshtaxmpp
lovetox ome moment.
lovetox
dont copy what i posted into your config, it was just an example from the net, to show you how its different to the one you are using
lovetox
(
{ host: "0.0.0.0"; port: "443"; },
);
lovetox
see there is a " , " at the end
neshtaxmpp
so my fiend remove "," as lovetox suggestion and not it comment other things.
neshtaxmpp
so where is decent manual that my friend peter can follow and configure sslh
lovetox
i guess on google if the wiki is not enough for you
neshtaxmpp
lovetox this is issue: becouse this is second manual that we found: first was that: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingProsody#XMPP_over_HTTPS and second was that: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368 in second they comment first web site is false.
neshtaxmpp
Another (incorrectly named) example can be found at the Debian Wiki
neshtaxmpp
and debian wiki is this: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingProsody#XMPP_over_HTTPS
lovetox
the name is incorrect
lovetox
not the example i guess
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neshtaxmpp
the name is false.
lovetox
do you think someone would link to examples that are wrong?
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neshtaxmpp
lovetox yes fake informations will do.
neshtaxmpp
this is not first time my friends found fakes web site complaing do this and it will do...
daniel
Turn on your brain for a second try to understand the syntax of the config and fix it
neshtaxmpp
include i had to safe my friend from 2 day seeking in front to make his server work, becouse he follow fake news.
lovetox
im not sure to what "name" the author refers, but i dont think it means, "This example is wrong"
daniel
Semantically the example file is probably correct
neshtaxmpp
daniel my friends are not hackers and developers they are just normal users who want to have they privacy... much to look in the code it will be the same.
moparisthebest
So for the xmpp wiki I adapted my config, I could have accidentally left in an extra comma
lovetox
neshtaxmpp, they dont need to be hackers or developers, but they have to learn a minimum about tools and how they work and how to configure them
moparisthebest
I'll check later at a computer
lovetox
you cant run a xmpp server with ZERO knowledge about computers
Maranda
what lovetox said,
neshtaxmpp
lovetox belive me they can do it.
moparisthebest
Yea you have to be comfortable with trying things
Maranda
Your complaints sound very preposterous to me tbh.
neshtaxmpp
lovetox, moparisbest when there is 100 % true manual everything will work.
moparisthebest
For sslh specific problems, have you tried sslh website/docs
Maranda
Mistakes != Fakes
neshtaxmpp
maranda Your complaints sound very preposterous to me tbh.
daniel
There is a lesson in the fact that a lot of people tripped over the bad examples in XEP 156
Maranda
there can be errors in manuals too
daniel
Both of them...
Maranda
and if you have that minimal knowledge you need, you can easily spot 'em.
neshtaxmpp
daniel i have compiled lineage latst 14.1 without developer knowledge. how i do that.
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daniel
I'm not sure what lesson though...
neshtaxmpp
daniel i say it before...
neshtaxmpp
maranda how person will compile 100 % working lineage without developer knowledge.
moparisthebest
I'll ensure the sslh example on the xmpp wiki is correct later, but it's close enough that no one has complained in years so
Maranda
neshtaxmpp, no idea never compiled Lineage.
lovetox
neshtaxmpp, what is the problem with the config file on the debian site ?
lovetox
does it also show syntax errors?
Maranda
or any other Android ROM
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neshtaxmpp
lovetox wait im gonna my friend what was problem with debian wiki... something was false.
Marandathinks this usage of false is rather... unpolite at least :P
neshtaxmpp
my friend say: he follow debian wiki... and when run sslh apache2 stop working... when apache2 start working sslh stop working all the same: port is busy
moparisthebest
Maranda: I assume that's a language thing rather than get offended meh
neshtaxmpp
for that i find my friend this second site: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
Maranda
moparisthebest, me knows thnx :P
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: right you can't have 2 servers on same port
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: Apache must listen on a different port
moparisthebest
I use 442 in that example
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest wait... so you mean... running sslh with 442... and apache2 runnin on port 443
daniel
Or on a different IP
daniel
The other way round
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: you have to read and understand the example rather than copy+paste
neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest why in xmpp example they dont say " sslh has to use port 442, becouse it will be used by apache 2 port 443 "
neshtaxmpp
moparisthebest so sslh will liste in port 442 and apache2 in port 443 -> this mean, when someone say open yourdomain.com it will open port 442 - > 443 and will open website
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: it says Apache or nginx on 442 right?
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest ‎[04:46:33 PM] ‎moparisthebest‎: neshtaxmpp: right you can't have 2 servers on same port
‎[04:46:55 PM] ‎moparisthebest‎: neshtaxmpp: Apache must listen on a different port
moparisthebest
neshtaxmpp: read the sslh config comments on xmpp wiki
moparisthebest
It specifically says that
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest so i see why there is no understand.
moparisthebest
I gotta go now, I'll review chat later though
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest... you base on conclusion that giving small information can peoples understand they understand it is gonna work.
lovetox
neshtaxmpp, we assume that this is stuff that only people touch that have a minimal knowledge of what they do
neshtaxmpp
moparisbest if i say 400 W. motor will fit in... do you know where it will fit.
lovetox
but feel free to write a step for step guide, that even your grandmother can execute
neshtaxmpp
lovetox That is exactly what peoples want. Step by step, becouse this is how linux work, linux for everybody.
neshtaxmpp
lovetox linus in interview say debian is too complex...
lovetox
yeah if "people" want it, they should write it
neshtaxmpp
lovetox they will write if they know what to write.
neshtaxmpp
lovetox again how i say how i without developer knowledge i compile full lineage 20188 version.
lovetox
a endless circle, so you are saying without guide you cant learn something, and because of that you cant write guides?
neshtaxmpp
lovetox do you know what it pathfinder...
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lovetox this is endless circle for you... i know it is gonna help other peoples.
neshtaxmpp
nobody undertand that i came here with my friend seek how to run sslh and you guys just jump in aggresive manner.
lovetox
im not saying you shouldnt help other people
lovetox
but to tell other people that they should help other people because you think they dont help enough ..
neshtaxmpp
lovetox how much it will get from your precious time to write " apache has to be on different port "
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lovetox
write it yourself
neshtaxmpp
lovetox i;m sure you didnt catch it.... but lets ignore this for the moment.
neshtaxmpp
lovetox with pleasure will write it if i know how.
lovetox
great !
neshtaxmpp
lovetox if i was hacker i will bring on light what militarry do... peoples deserve to know the true...
neshtaxmpp
but that is other topic.
lovetox
its seems this is a reoccuring thing with you, always "IF i was a .. ", "IF i had the knowledge"
lovetox
seems you should do something about that IF
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Maranda
I think there's some misunderstandment due to some language issues, like telling people they write "false" things isn't the best way to start an argument even if it's not intentionally offensive, it sounds so ;)
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neshtaxmpp
lovetox you sound like usa " american "
neshtaxmpp
maranda everybody think differently. I think women kick peoples... so you see everybody think differently.
Maranda
. . . never mind.
neshtaxmpp
lovetox peoples who calculate other peoples... they try be mastermind... but how i say... education in 21 century is worse. there is no respect and humankind.
neshtaxmpp
we came we peace... and solution.
neshtaxmpp
and we receive... aggresions and manipulations...
neshtaxmpp
it doesnt mean if i;m african, ot german, or serbian...
neshtaxmpp
it is just how we are... multicultural... if you can't respect foreigener... then you can't respect yourself.
flow
neshtaxmpp, I've read most of the backlog and couldn't find any aggression. Mostly a discussion involving a language barrier
neshtaxmpp
flow... [04:58:42 PM] ‎lovetox‎: its seems this is a reoccuring thing with you, always "IF i was a .. ", "IF i had the knowledge"
‎[04:58:50 PM] ‎lovetox‎: seems you should do something about that IF
flow
and possibly some more politeness
neshtaxmpp
flow " [04:46:10 PM] ‎moparisthebest‎: Maranda: I assume that's a language thing rather than get offended meh"
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neshtaxmpp
flow... so this is how i comment " politeness " this is not politeness.
neshtaxmpp
im sure there is wonderfull peoples...
flow
neshtaxmpp, sorry I wanted to write "and possibly *missing* some more politeness"
neshtaxmpp
flow sorry i wanted to write " bad peoples " but it was writed aggresions and manipulations.
flow
and I ultimately lost track if you are now able to run sslh or not
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neshtaxmpp
flow my friend in the moment is in stand off, we try sslh from maybe 5 hours and no go...
neshtaxmpp
until someone comment remove ","
flow
neshtaxmpp, the syntax and especially the error reporting mechanisms of many configuration files is often a source of frustration, if it is of any help
neshtaxmpp
hackers and developers on you peoples depend... if you explain it 100 % peoples will undestand it. If you write it bad, false it will not work. So now we need to exit becouse there is much too negative energy ...
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flow... hmmm is this indirect my fiend is frustrated... no my friend is not frustrated...
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flow... how i say this is 3 time... i dont have developer knowledge and compiled 100 % include it run in the moment on my mother smartphone lineage latest version. how i do this.
neshtaxmpp
flow if manual was bad writed, peoples will not make it. But if it was explained step by step i assure you will make it.
flow
possibly because compiling lineage is close to following a cooking recipe
neshtaxmpp
flow include to be for other peoples example: the manual of developer process was in cyrrilic
flow
it is not really comperable to complexity that is involved with a proper XMPP service setup
neshtaxmpp
not english language
neshtaxmpp
flow so this person who write in non-english cyrrilic language was so correctly writed that lineage was compiled.
Maranda
Holger, what's the default max number of stanzas queued in ejabberd's csi out of curiousity?
neshtaxmpp
flow... if peoples still try bypass what other peoples tell, and dont allow they ego win they will understand the peace can be possible.
Holger
Maranda: 100
flow
neshtaxmpp, I'm sorry, I am a bit lost. But if your point is "we need better manuals and easier to use software" then I'm 100% with you, but that goal is not easy to achive for assorted reasons
Maranda
Holger, ok thanks
Marandawonders if he set that a bit too high.
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neshtaxmpp
flow i just remember. I was with a woman, that she directly hate men. Every time " look how this men is smiling, look how this men has children, look how this men look, and i told her. Piss off if i see you again i will complaint in justice system jail you.
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flow. i had friend from gym. who was guy guy, smiling... developer and hacker... one week i didn;t see him and do you know what his face was...
Maranda
I'm just not sure how UX pleasing it is in a mobile client to see a massive amount of message coming in during the backlog update after state is switched back to active though.
Holger
Maranda: Easy way of eating tons of memory :-) Also mobile clients probably won't appreciate being flooded after going in the foreground again, yes.
Maranda
(although it will help on battery saving)
Holger
Maranda: You woulnd't usually queue actual *messages* though, right?
Maranda
Holger, I'm trying to queue groupchat messages until highlighted.
Holger
Eww.
neshtaxmpp
flow his face was aggresive... he didn't was he... i talk with him and he told me his boss. So from guy smiling he was change in assasin... why so. in 21 centuty happy dont exist. there is no respect anymore, without respect and peace peoples will be more aggresive.
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Holger, it's configurable via adhoc, just deciding how useful it is on the battery.
Holger
Maranda: But it's the default?
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Maranda
Holger, for now yes, that's what I need to decide based on usefulness.
Holger
Maranda: Won't make the typical WhatsApp user happy I guess.
Maranda
cause UX it doesn't look stellar indeed.
Holger
"XMPP just never works. Now groupchat notifications are broken."
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neshtaxmpp
flow... and if say how bad was my life book will be little to write... iclude i was illegaly investagiated by secret service for something that if you didn't like love in woman. but one day she will be in jail, for much secret service she can work there is jail for them too.
SamWhited
Holger, Maranda: I missed the beginning of this, so pardon me if this was explained, but does your system if a phone comes online for its regularly scheduled radio time and does a stream resume presumably it gets the queue dump then too?
Maranda
Holger, well conversations only actually shows a toaster notifications if I get highlighted anyways. That won't break in that case.✎
Maranda
Holger, well conversations only actually shows a toaster notification if I get highlighted anyways. That won't break in that case. ✏
Holger
Maranda: That's not the default in Conversations, at least not for private groups.
daniel
Maranda: Conversations will notify by default on all messages in private groups
daniel
Which is the type of group it will create by default
Maranda
hmm
Holger
SamWhited: The question is whether the CSI queue is dumped on 0198 resume?
SamWhited
Holger: yah, or on CSI active or whatever signal you're using
Maranda
SamWhited, it's not the same queue but "yes"
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Whatever the message queue is, yah. Thanks
Holger
Yes, both on CSI <active/> and on SM <resume/>.
SamWhited
That seems like it would be "good enough" to me
SamWhited
You get your messages once a minute or whatever it is, and if, in the mean time, something important like a highlight happens you can get an out of band push or whatever the case may be.
Holger
SamWhited: Once a minute?
SamWhited
Holger: whatever it is; I don't know what Android does by default
SamWhited
But I think it's every minute or two
Holger
Not sure what sort of Android event you mean.
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Holger: I assumed that's what you were talking about; Android gives every app a window of time every minute or two when the radio is on and it is allowed to use it.
SamWhited
Its part of its battery saving measures.
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Holger
I wasn't aware. No idea whether Conversations listens to that.
SamWhited
So presumably a message queue would only build up until the app could get to its network window and do a resume or a MAM query or whatever it decides is the best way to fetch messages for a particular room
SamWhited
And being smart about highlights would negate the feeling on the users part that it was no longer realtime, I would think
SamWhited
Anyways, just thinking out loud; I'd be really curious to see the results of your battery saving experiment Maranda.
Holger
Well no idea, as I said I wasn't aware of these network windows. My assumption was that Conversations either manages to keep the TCP connection alive, or if it doesn't, waits for FCM notifications.
Maranda
SamWhited, sure, you actually made me find a bug too.
SamWhited
There has been a new major Android version or two since I looked at any of this too, so it's possible I'm just spouting out of date lore. I vaguely remember daniel saying he was going to update to the new battery savig things, which could be different.
Holger
SamWhited: But Conversations' implementation isn't really relevant anyway. The server can't assume the client will behave one way or another, so I think it's hairy for the server's CSI/push code to suppress groupchat notifications if you're not highlighted.
SamWhited
I dunno, the server has to pick some behavior for the client to work against; this seems as good of a behavior as any. It at least gives the option for mobile clients to manage their network usage efficiently.
SamWhited
(I'm also operating under the assumption that this only applies to mobile, but I have no idea if there's even a reasonable way for the server to know that)
neshtaxmpp
my friend looking closely in https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368: find this # 442 is a https port (nginx, apache, etc) " If writer think that write only 442 is a https " reader will not know what this mean. becouse in first please when my friend was reading say what is this: 442, when apache2 run on 443, but after conversatoin with didn't remember name is some sort or filter becouse apache2 use 443 and sslh need to pass this information from 442 to 443. In the moment it didn't explained better, becouse include it lost in writing this message
Holger
SamWhited: Sorry but this sounds weirdo to me.
Holger
SamWhited: You can't seriously argue the server's CSI code should blindly assume the client will go <active/> once a minute just because there's some Android feature some Android client might or might not be using.
SamWhited
It has nothing to do with an Android feature specifically, but yah, giving them the option to enable/disable sending large volumes of messages (whether that's with a stream resume, an active CSI element, etc.) seems reasonable.
SamWhited
I don't know what specific configuration will work best though with what specific platforms
daniel
Holger, SamWhited: what Holger is mostly correct. The doze windows are much wider apart than a minute. So Conversations tries to get an exception or if that doesn't work rely on push
daniel
Push will always wake up the device
daniel
No matter the doze state
SamWhited
Maybe only sending a push every X messages (unless there's a highlight or other important event) is the trigger then
SamWhited
I like the idea of queuing messages anyways and would love to see how that plays out. I doubt most people need strict realtime (or maybe you could be smart about the type of room: if it's a private room with 3 people in it, push for every message, if not every 3 minutes in which there are 100 messages, or something)
Holger
SamWhited: If we think clients should have the option to suppress/throttle actual message delivery then we need a new XEP, IMO.
SamWhited
I don't think the clients need the option, that's too granular. I think servers just need to be smart about the state of a client
Holger
SamWhited: This is not about strict realtime. With Maranda's solution you won't be notified of groupchat messages until you re-open the app manually. At all.
SamWhited
And clients can of course work within that behavior to get whatever results they desire
Holger
Totally disagree :-)
SamWhited
Holger: that's what I'm questioning. You'll get it when doze wakes you up, or when you get a push notification as well
SamWhited
I'm wondering if that's "good enough"
SamWhited
I agree that if you only get it when you open the app that is a problem
daniel
Is battery consumption even a problem?
Maranda
Holger, or until you get hilighted visually that'll affect the number on the conversations icon
Holger
SamWhited: I'm basically never mentioned explicitly in the WhatsApp groups I'm in. Yet I definitely want notifications. "Hey all, the meeting tomorrow is cancelled!"
daniel
That can be fixed by limiting the messages
Holger
SamWhited: And I believe that's an expectation many typical WhatsApp users have.
SamWhited
Holger: but do you need it right this minute, or 5 minutes from now? I suspect that for most people a few minutes is okay.
Maranda
Which I'm not sure about the usefulness of, but if by default private groups always toast well
SamWhited
But what daniel said is also a good point, I have no idea maybe this is solving a problem that doesn't exist.
SamWhited
which is why I'd be curious to see the result of the battery drain experiment Maranda mentioned
SamWhited
I should find an IRC bridge and subscribe to #arch or some other huge active channel and see what happens to my battery
daniel
There are a few mobile specific optimizations that I would like to see eventually. But throttling the number of stanzas is not really one of them
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SamWhited, it's configurable via adhoc anyways here it's just question to decide if it should be by default enabled or not.
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SamWhited
Maranda: does this already exist somewhere that I could experiment with?
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SamWhited, I added also the configurable option to filter all bodyless chat states in CSI in any state
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Metronome's tip but I need to fix a quirk with SM I just found :P
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(or rather you made me find)
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Glad I could be of service
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neshtaxmpp: clearly if you expect sslh to multiplex 443 it has to listen on 443
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That doesn't need spelled out
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You don't need to be a programmer, but you do need to understand ports to host services
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SamWhited, ok fixed the possible desync with SM queue, now you can play with it if you want ;)
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... and also fixed inadvertedly broken presence queues 🤷‍♂️ hehe
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this is my friend log sslh: https://bgzashtita.es/tefter/?67c4fee71371a4b6#aoQA4OGoy4+iiqfa3hmXYe48ST8nyz1IDO+D9n2Ptag=
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SamWhited, ok all sorted the other thing I need to figure is how much resource usage increase that causes on the server and the right default queue limit to use before flushing, for now I'm going with a large default queue limit (1000)
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neshtaxmpp
we are nearly there....
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Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to bgzashtita.es. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
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sslh[20369]: forward to ssl failed:connect: Connection refused it is becouse apache2 443 is bussy with sslh
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SamWhited: oh also this stuff non is also currently running on lightwitch.org you could create an account there too, sorry forgot
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s/non//
Marandagrowls about auto completion messing up
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neshtaxmpp: if you come back, sslh must use port 443
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Meaning Apache has to go to another port, it doesn't have to be port 442 but it can't stay here
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moparisbest yes we know that from 30 min.
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2 computers isn't a problem, but that might mean if Apache isn't on the same server as sslh both can use 443
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Just put the actual hostname instead of localhost
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Sslh has to run on port 443
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Ah now I look insane like I'm taking to myself because you are whispering and I just noticed
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I blame that on daniel :D
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neshtaxmpp: you really only need sslh on 1 computer, probably the one publically accessible