XSF Discussion - 2018-09-27


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  374. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: https://blog.cloudflare.com/esni/ > As ISPs increasingly acquire media companies and ad targeting businesses, being able to mine the data flowing through their pipes is an increasingly attractive business for them and an increasingly troubling privacy threat to all of us.

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  377. jonas’

    nice

  378. jonas’

    nobody had time to look into the website apparently

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  383. jonas’

    I’m back on it, I have a hunch what might have happened

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  394. jonas’

    I think I have a hotfix, waiting for the build to prove me either right or wrong :)

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  402. jonas’

    bear, can you please confirm that the content somebody reported missing is back?

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  582. edhelas

    hi everyone, I've posted a messages on standards a couple of days ago and I'd like some feedback before I start my work on he adjustements :) https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-September/035361.html

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  739. moparisthebest

    ugh Ge0rG , not the RFC I was following, it mentions that one of it's hard requirements was 'do not stick out' so they just... decided to stick out anyway...

  740. moparisthebest

    still, they are correct if all the browsers support this, it'll no longer stick out

  741. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: it looks like you are responding to a different point than the one I made, but this is okay.

  742. moparisthebest

    the other downside is the other RFC draft encrypted *all* extensions, so ALPN etc was free

  743. moparisthebest

    ah well I agree with that Ge0rG , but if anything this proves what I said, encryption is the answer, not legislation

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  746. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: you can't encrypt all the things. And if you try, governments will mandate backdoors

  747. moparisthebest

    I disagree, I think you certainly can encrypt all the things

  748. moparisthebest

    and, only bad governments, plus, they are already mandating backdoors aren't they?

  749. Zash

    Encryption does not exist in a vacuum.

  750. Ge0rG

    https://www.caliopen.org/en/ > Privacy for all of your online correspondance. Caliopen collects in a single interface private messages from mobile apps (Twitter, Facebook), email, instant messaging, texts… I can't even...

  751. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: bad governments like the US of A?

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  755. moparisthebest

    so far USA hasn't mandated backdoors, only requested them

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  758. moparisthebest

    USA seems to have by far the best 'free speech' protections, which also relates to encryption, so hopefully it will be fine

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  773. edhelas

    Ge0rG that is the project from Laurent Chemla :p

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  779. flow

    edhelas, who is Laurent Chemla?

  780. edhelas

    one of the founder of Gandi https://www.gandi.net/en https://twitter.com/laurentchemla

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  782. flow

    I see

  783. edhelas

    but yeah Caliopen looks weird to me

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  807. Ge0rG

    edhelas: they plugged into the WA E2EE thread at https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1045045964245950465 and I wondered about their mystical "E2E with business model" pitch, just to land on _that_ page

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  882. ralphm set the topic to

    XSF Board Meeting | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

  883. ralphm bangs gavel

  884. ralphm

    0. Welcome and agenda

  885. ralphm

    Hi!

  886. ralphm

    Who do we have?

  887. nyco

    oh hey!

  888. nyco

    _o/

  889. nyco

    Guus is here

  890. Guus is here

  891. nyco

    (we were privately ch...

  892. nyco

    see?

  893. nyco

    ;-)

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  896. ralphm

    MattJ?

  897. Guus

    nyco: my client lost the tab in which I was one-on-one chatting with you

  898. Guus

    dind't get the last two lines I think

  899. ralphm

    Guus: no MAM?

  900. nyco

    I've been omemo'ed

  901. MattJ

    Hey

  902. Guus

    ralphm: I can't see his contact / tab

  903. ralphm

    Ok. Let's go

  904. nyco

    no, it's just that azxoraeiczhtrneipvhscrgxueygbuazeyogvxofbouezgxouyewrb

  905. Guus

    nyco, ok

  906. ralphm

    Any particular agenda items?

  907. nyco

    https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

  908. nyco

    prios and executive?

  909. nyco

    ongoing topics, I think

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  911. Guus

    is there any more for us to do with 'prios' ?

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  913. Guus

    (I have no other agenda items)

  914. MattJ

    I have none either

  915. nyco

    we should agree? reach a consensus?

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  917. ralphm

    1. Priorities

  918. ralphm

    Ok. So I think the order as nyco wrote it on trello can be improved

  919. nyco

    yep, the card is too ra

  920. nyco

    raw

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  922. ralphm

    As I said last week, I think the item listed as 2. Organisation is our primary priority

  923. ralphm

    (as Board)

  924. ralphm

    Because that's basically what any Board should do

  925. nyco

    bureaucracy, funding: these are the keywords

  926. MattJ

    I'd s/priority/responsibility/ I think for clarity

  927. ralphm

    sure

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  929. Guus

    unsure if we need to split hairs about which of these four topics needs to have highest priority. Can't we just word them nicely, and deliver them as "these are what we believe to be the most high-prio issues"?

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  932. ralphm

    Ok, but then the list would be like this:

  933. nyco

    Copy-paste: == Priorities == Developer/Operator Community (14) => sprints/hackathons Organisation (9) => bureaucracy, funding Protocol (9) => modernization Promotion (8) => usecases/showcases

  934. nyco

    Developer/Operator Community (14) => sprints/hackathons => that's for software developers, not the XSF, right?

  935. nyco

    Organisation (9) => bureaucracy, funding => that's for the XSF, especially the Board, correct?

  936. nyco

    Protocol (9) => modernization => that's for the Council, ok?

  937. nyco

    Promotion (8) => usecases/showcases => that's for SCAM, isn't it?

  938. nyco

    so I guess we (the Board) need to discuss bureaucracy and funding

  939. ralphm

    * Generic Board responsibilities. * Ensure our protocol standardization efforts through Council and Editors * Support community efforts related to XMPP * Support SCAM

  940. Guus

    nyco, I think you're right - but I do interpret this as "the board should put emphasis on enabling these work teams to do (all of the above)."

  941. MattJ

    nyco, I'd agree with that, noting that a number of things fall under the "developer/operator community" topic (e.g. enabling hackathons and other events through SCAM)

  942. nyco

    for bureaucracy, I don't clearly understand the problem, thus I am not able to propose solutions

  943. Guus

    I think we're agreeing a lot with each-other here

  944. ralphm

    This is basically ensuring we have elections for members and board, council

  945. ralphm

    liason with other standards bodies

  946. ralphm

    and generally be organized as a corporation

  947. nyco

    for funding, here is my thought, raw once again, sharing at early stage, please comment: some software projects need money, we (Board) can help them setup Patreon pages for example and though SCAM we can promote those campaigns, still respecting our "weak neutrality" (as I call it)

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  951. nyco

    anyway, we should not contemplate the problem that has been revealed we should take some action, and think outcome doing "not perfect" is acceptable

  952. ralphm

    I 'm not sure we should do Patreon or similar, unless we as a foundation need something developed, like a standards compliance testing suite.

  953. nyco

    staying still is not wishable

  954. nyco

    ah good point

  955. nyco

    compliance suite could be funded by donations

  956. nyco

    that could be under the responsibility of the XSF

  957. nyco

    I was talking about software projects, which the XSF does not support directly

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  959. ralphm

    I don't the XSF should be involved in helping, say, Prosody acquire funds.

  960. Guus

    we can facilitate a knowledge-base that explains how, as an xmpp project, one could acquire funding.

  961. nyco

    that

  962. nyco

    what to do, what to expect

  963. ralphm

    sure, that's ok

  964. nyco

    we can collect people's experience

  965. nyco

    s

  966. ralphm

    If somebody wants to pick that up

  967. Guus

    well, we're drafting recommendations for the next board, right? 🙂

  968. nyco

    well, I can start seomthing, come back to the Board, we decide if stop or continue...

  969. ralphm

    But if we have to chose between efforts, we probably could do some work on our own funding

  970. ralphm

    choose

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  972. nyco

    we would not choose, just tell them how others do

  973. Guus

    yes - I neglected following up with Peter for to long on that - apologies.

  974. nyco

    so, getting back to our own funding: what do we need money for?

  975. ralphm

    I mean that we have limited time, as Board, and I think our own continued funding should have priority

  976. MattJ

    There's what we use money for now, and there's what we could do with a reliable source of funds

  977. ralphm

    Well, if we want to continue having things like Summits, those cost money

  978. nyco

    well, first the sponsoring, right?

  979. Guus

    we have some recurring costs, but I think having funds to spend could enable us to do more than what we currently do.

  980. ralphm

    and they way we've dealt with sponsoring in the past has been less than optimal

  981. ralphm

    Guus: this

  982. nyco

    a source of fund can be temporary, like a crowdfunding campaign Patreon and the likes are more split across time

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  984. nyco

    more predictible and repetitive, but lower amounts

  985. nyco

    sponsoring less that optimal: why? what's the problem? I think I heard we have not been the best at following up, that's right?

  986. MattJ

    Pretty much - to the point where we don't know who our current sponsors actually are

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  988. nyco

    so, trying to summarize: we talked about funding but not bureaucracy in funding, we talked about sponsoring (repetitive, predictible, but need manpower) ask for more sponsoring, or better follow up? we could engage the process of developing the comp suite ?

  989. MattJ

    and we have had pledges for sponsoring e.g. the Brussels dinner and not collected money from those sponsors for two years running (at least)

  990. nyco

    argh

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  992. ralphm

    "bureaucrazy" doesn't necessarily need a plan right now, other than maybe figuring out if we want to continue having an Executive Director, and what role they should have.

  993. ralphm

    But indeed, we probably need a single person handing all things around sponsoring

  994. nyco

    that's 2. in our agenda today?

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  997. Guus

    Doorbell, afk

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  1000. ralphm

    nyco: time permitting

  1001. nyco

    ok, chicken and egg what if hire someone? an admin role, not like in sysadmin/devops, but admin like legal and money that way we could collect the real money, seriously, with proper tracking this way we could pay that person logic? ;-)

  1002. ralphm

    But to me the biggest question on preparing for FOSDEM/Summit in 2019 is: which one person will take that on *and* follow through on all the things.

  1003. nyco

    SCAM? not the Board?

  1004. MattJ

    nyco, I actually wouldn't be opposed to that idea

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  1008. MattJ

    nyco, SCAM is allocated a budget and spends it - it not directly involved in the sponsorship part

  1009. nyco

    yep

  1010. Guus

    back

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  1012. Guus

    and yes, that's for SCAM. And for board to follow up on with SCAM, if they don't act appropriately

  1013. nyco

    hummm, do we have an organizational chat of the XSF?

  1014. nyco

    sorry, out of context

  1015. Guus

    as the WT leader of SCAM, I expect to be scolded 🙂

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  1017. MattJ

    nyco, you mean like this MUC? :)

  1018. Guus

    (I'm currently moving house - planning to take up FOSDEM next week)

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  1020. nyco

    MattJ ;-)

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  1022. ralphm

    I'm ok with SCAM handling that, but then I want a single person in SCAM to be appointed for it. Of course the same problem of course exists for the generic sponsoring efforts of the XSF. If we say this is the Treasurers responsibility, then we need to make sure that we clean up the site and follow up on acquiring new sponsors with him.

  1023. nyco

    hiring someone could help, lot of work though crowdfunding could help as well, but what for?

  1024. Guus

    Ralph, we'll pick someone from within SCAM to take point.

  1025. ralphm

    Guus: 💪

  1026. Guus

    as for Treasurer: I'd be ok with that, providing that the Treasurer is.

  1027. nyco

    it is all getting back to this: the XSF is in survival mode we (individuals) do not invest and commit enough time&work to maintain it properly

  1028. Guus

    maybe plan a sit-down with Peter?

  1029. ralphm

    Guus: let's do that. You, Peter, and me?

  1030. Guus

    ralphm: works for me, I'm open for other to attend, but maybe not swamp him?

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  1032. Guus

    nyco: I don't quite agree with 'survival' mode - there's more potential, but I think we're not doing _that_ bad.

  1033. ralphm

    nyco: I don't think I agree with that statement. I think the core of what we need to do – be a standards org – is going well.

  1034. nyco

    not being updated regarding sponsoring pretty much sucks... sorry for the vocab

  1035. nyco

    it may be harsh, but it is a reality

  1036. Guus

    nyco, true, but still, we're processing XEPs.

  1037. Guus

    I agree that we could do _more_

  1038. nyco

    good, the Council does, not the Board

  1039. Guus

    but we're not "almost dead"

  1040. ralphm

    I think we all agree our sponsoring situation is not good.

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  1043. nyco

    the Board is not very commited, I have to say...

  1044. nyco

    the engagement is low

  1045. nyco

    I'm guility of it

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  1047. Guus

    This is a good time for me to point out that we're out of time for this week 😃 (sorry, but I'm pressed for time)

  1048. ralphm

    :-D

  1049. nyco

    you're right

  1050. MattJ

    :)

  1051. ralphm

    Guus: let's set this up then

  1052. nyco

    thx all!

  1053. ralphm

    2. Date of Next

  1054. ralphm

    +1W

  1055. nyco

    +1

  1056. ralphm

    3. Close

  1057. ralphm

    Thanks all!

  1058. nyco

    merci à tous ! ;-)

  1059. ralphm bangs gavel

  1060. Guus

    I will not be here next week

  1061. ralphm set the topic to

    XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

  1062. Dave Cridland has left

  1063. nyco

    huh... notes?

  1064. Guus

    I'm selling my house at that exact time.

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  1066. nyco

    good luck! but... do not sell it in bitcoins

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  1070. nyco

    unless someone else does, I'll write the notes

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  1072. MattJ

    nyco, that would be much appreciated, thanks!

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  1075. Guus

    Thank you

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  1078. nyco

    hey, just started that: https://app.mindmup.com/map/new/1538057154012

  1079. nyco

    1. can you see/read?

  1080. nyco

    2. can you edit?

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  1083. Guus

    I just typed something in that button-like thingy?

  1084. nyco

    I did not see anything moving

  1085. Guus

    oh, but I have to sign up before I can save it?

  1086. nyco

    add a block, maybe?

  1087. nyco

    I have not signed up

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  1089. nyco

    https://movim.eu:5280/upload/1ab8cd5d50a081e2fdf8ce43dca3047f8bd49889/YL2s4N2wQ2wxkGfS9md802ngaKH7fZ6bOO5Whfcm/Capture_d_e_cran_2018-09-27_a__16.09.27.png

  1090. nyco

    in 2 min

  1091. Guus

    oh, no, I see an empty page with just one blue block.

  1092. nyco

    ok

  1093. nyco

    I'll find something lese

  1094. nyco

    I'll find something else

  1095. nyco

    thx

  1096. Guus

    np

  1097. Guus

    I've figured out why I missed your chats

  1098. Guus

    I got my contact list filtered on 'online'

  1099. Guus

    and you're going offline and online, which makes you pop up and under 🙂

  1100. nyco

    wat? I'm staying online with three concurrent clients

  1101. nyco

    is there flapping somewhere?

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  1104. Guus

    No, not now. That was earlier.

  1105. Guus

    at the begin of the meeting.

  1106. nyco

    :'(

  1107. Guus

    you showed as 'offline' for a moment

  1108. Guus

    anyway

  1109. Guus

    I got to run

  1110. nyco

    bye!

  1111. Guus

    bye

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