Ge0rGmoparisthebest: https://blog.cloudflare.com/esni/
> As ISPs increasingly acquire media companies and ad targeting businesses, being able to mine the data flowing through their pipes is an increasingly attractive business for them and an increasingly troubling privacy threat to all of us.
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jonas’nice
jonas’nobody had time to look into the website apparently
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jonas’I’m back on it, I have a hunch what might have happened
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jonas’I think I have a hotfix, waiting for the build to prove me either right or wrong :)
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jonas’bear, can you please confirm that the content somebody reported missing is back?
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edhelashi everyone, I've posted a messages on standards a couple of days ago and I'd like some feedback before I start my work on he adjustements :) https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-September/035361.html
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moparisthebestugh Ge0rG , not the RFC I was following, it mentions that one of it's hard requirements was 'do not stick out' so they just... decided to stick out anyway...
moparisthebeststill, they are correct if all the browsers support this, it'll no longer stick out
Ge0rGmoparisthebest: it looks like you are responding to a different point than the one I made, but this is okay.
moparisthebestthe other downside is the other RFC draft encrypted *all* extensions, so ALPN etc was free
moparisthebestah well I agree with that Ge0rG , but if anything this proves what I said, encryption is the answer, not legislation
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Ge0rGmoparisthebest: you can't encrypt all the things. And if you try, governments will mandate backdoors
moparisthebestI disagree, I think you certainly can encrypt all the things
moparisthebestand, only bad governments, plus, they are already mandating backdoors aren't they?
ZashEncryption does not exist in a vacuum.
Ge0rGhttps://www.caliopen.org/en/
> Privacy for all of your online correspondance. Caliopen collects in a single interface private messages from mobile apps (Twitter, Facebook), email, instant messaging, texts…
I can't even...
Ge0rGmoparisthebest: bad governments like the US of A?
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moparisthebestso far USA hasn't mandated backdoors, only requested them
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moparisthebestUSA seems to have by far the best 'free speech' protections, which also relates to encryption, so hopefully it will be fine
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edhelasGe0rG that is the project from Laurent Chemla :p
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flowedhelas, who is Laurent Chemla?
edhelasone of the founder of Gandi https://www.gandi.net/en https://twitter.com/laurentchemla
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flowI see
edhelasbut yeah Caliopen looks weird to me
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Ge0rGedhelas: they plugged into the WA E2EE thread at https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1045045964245950465 and I wondered about their mystical "E2E with business model" pitch, just to land on _that_ page
Guusnyco: my client lost the tab in which I was one-on-one chatting with you
Guusdind't get the last two lines I think
ralphmGuus: no MAM?
nycoI've been omemo'ed
MattJHey
Guusralphm: I can't see his contact / tab
ralphmOk. Let's go
nycono, it's just that azxoraeiczhtrneipvhscrgxueygbuazeyogvxofbouezgxouyewrb
Guusnyco, ok
ralphmAny particular agenda items?
nycohttps://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
nycoprios and executive?
nycoongoing topics, I think
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Guusis there any more for us to do with 'prios' ?
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Guus(I have no other agenda items)
MattJI have none either
nycowe should agree? reach a consensus?
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ralphm1. Priorities
ralphmOk. So I think the order as nyco wrote it on trello can be improved
nycoyep, the card is too ra
nycoraw
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ralphmAs I said last week, I think the item listed as 2. Organisation is our primary priority
ralphm(as Board)
ralphmBecause that's basically what any Board should do
nycobureaucracy, funding: these are the keywords
MattJI'd s/priority/responsibility/ I think for clarity
ralphmsure
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Guusunsure if we need to split hairs about which of these four topics needs to have highest priority. Can't we just word them nicely, and deliver them as "these are what we believe to be the most high-prio issues"?
nycoDeveloper/Operator Community (14) => sprints/hackathons
=> that's for software developers, not the XSF, right?
nycoOrganisation (9) => bureaucracy, funding
=> that's for the XSF, especially the Board, correct?
nycoProtocol (9) => modernization
=> that's for the Council, ok?
nycoPromotion (8) => usecases/showcases
=> that's for SCAM, isn't it?
nycoso I guess we (the Board) need to discuss bureaucracy and funding
ralphm* Generic Board responsibilities.
* Ensure our protocol standardization efforts through Council and Editors
* Support community efforts related to XMPP
* Support SCAM
Guusnyco, I think you're right - but I do interpret this as "the board should put emphasis on enabling these work teams to do (all of the above)."
MattJnyco, I'd agree with that, noting that a number of things fall under the "developer/operator community" topic (e.g. enabling hackathons and other events through SCAM)
nycofor bureaucracy, I don't clearly understand the problem, thus I am not able to propose solutions
GuusI think we're agreeing a lot with each-other here
ralphmThis is basically ensuring we have elections for members and board, council
ralphmliason with other standards bodies
ralphmand generally be organized as a corporation
nycofor funding, here is my thought, raw once again, sharing at early stage, please comment:
some software projects need money, we (Board) can help them setup Patreon pages for example
and though SCAM we can promote those campaigns, still respecting our "weak neutrality" (as I call it)
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nycoanyway, we should not contemplate the problem that has been revealed
we should take some action, and think outcome
doing "not perfect" is acceptable
ralphmI 'm not sure we should do Patreon or similar, unless we as a foundation need something developed, like a standards compliance testing suite.
nycostaying still is not wishable
nycoah good point
nycocompliance suite could be funded by donations
nycothat could be under the responsibility of the XSF
nycoI was talking about software projects, which the XSF does not support directly
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ralphmI don't the XSF should be involved in helping, say, Prosody acquire funds.
Guuswe can facilitate a knowledge-base that explains how, as an xmpp project, one could acquire funding.
nycothat
nycowhat to do, what to expect
ralphmsure, that's ok
nycowe can collect people's experience
nycos
ralphmIf somebody wants to pick that up
Guuswell, we're drafting recommendations for the next board, right? 🙂
nycowell, I can start seomthing, come back to the Board, we decide if stop or continue...
ralphmBut if we have to chose between efforts, we probably could do some work on our own funding
ralphmchoose
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nycowe would not choose, just tell them how others do
Guusyes - I neglected following up with Peter for to long on that - apologies.
nycoso, getting back to our own funding: what do we need money for?
ralphmI mean that we have limited time, as Board, and I think our own continued funding should have priority
MattJThere's what we use money for now, and there's what we could do with a reliable source of funds
ralphmWell, if we want to continue having things like Summits, those cost money
nycowell, first the sponsoring, right?
Guuswe have some recurring costs, but I think having funds to spend could enable us to do more than what we currently do.
ralphmand they way we've dealt with sponsoring in the past has been less than optimal
ralphmGuus: this
nycoa source of fund can be temporary, like a crowdfunding campaign
Patreon and the likes are more split across time
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nycomore predictible and repetitive, but lower amounts
nycosponsoring less that optimal: why? what's the problem?
I think I heard we have not been the best at following up, that's right?
MattJPretty much - to the point where we don't know who our current sponsors actually are
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nycoso, trying to summarize: we talked about funding but not bureaucracy
in funding, we talked about sponsoring (repetitive, predictible, but need manpower)
ask for more sponsoring, or better follow up?
we could engage the process of developing the comp suite ?
MattJand we have had pledges for sponsoring e.g. the Brussels dinner and not collected money from those sponsors for two years running (at least)
nycoargh
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ralphm"bureaucrazy" doesn't necessarily need a plan right now, other than maybe figuring out if we want to continue having an Executive Director, and what role they should have.
ralphmBut indeed, we probably need a single person handing all things around sponsoring
nycothat's 2. in our agenda today?
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ralphmnyco: time permitting
nycook, chicken and egg
what if hire someone? an admin role, not like in sysadmin/devops, but admin like legal and money
that way we could collect the real money, seriously, with proper tracking
this way we could pay that person
logic? ;-)
ralphmBut to me the biggest question on preparing for FOSDEM/Summit in 2019 is: which one person will take that on *and* follow through on all the things.
nycoSCAM? not the Board?
MattJnyco, I actually wouldn't be opposed to that idea
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MattJnyco, SCAM is allocated a budget and spends it - it not directly involved in the sponsorship part
nycoyep
Guusback
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Guusand yes, that's for SCAM. And for board to follow up on with SCAM, if they don't act appropriately
nycohummm, do we have an organizational chat of the XSF?
nycosorry, out of context
Guusas the WT leader of SCAM, I expect to be scolded 🙂
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MattJnyco, you mean like this MUC? :)
Guus(I'm currently moving house - planning to take up FOSDEM next week)
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nycoMattJ ;-)
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ralphmI'm ok with SCAM handling that, but then I want a single person in SCAM to be appointed for it. Of course the same problem of course exists for the generic sponsoring efforts of the XSF. If we say this is the Treasurers responsibility, then we need to make sure that we clean up the site and follow up on acquiring new sponsors with him.
nycohiring someone could help, lot of work though
crowdfunding could help as well, but what for?
GuusRalph, we'll pick someone from within SCAM to take point.
ralphmGuus: 💪
Guusas for Treasurer: I'd be ok with that, providing that the Treasurer is.
nycoit is all getting back to this: the XSF is in survival mode
we (individuals) do not invest and commit enough time&work to maintain it properly
Guusmaybe plan a sit-down with Peter?
ralphmGuus: let's do that. You, Peter, and me?
Guusralphm: works for me, I'm open for other to attend, but maybe not swamp him?
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Guusnyco: I don't quite agree with 'survival' mode - there's more potential, but I think we're not doing _that_ bad.
ralphmnyco: I don't think I agree with that statement. I think the core of what we need to do – be a standards org – is going well.
nyconot being updated regarding sponsoring pretty much sucks... sorry for the vocab
nycoit may be harsh, but it is a reality
Guusnyco, true, but still, we're processing XEPs.
GuusI agree that we could do _more_
nycogood, the Council does, not the Board
Guusbut we're not "almost dead"
ralphmI think we all agree our sponsoring situation is not good.
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nycothe Board is not very commited, I have to say...
nycothe engagement is low
nycoI'm guility of it
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GuusThis is a good time for me to point out that we're out of time for this week 😃 (sorry, but I'm pressed for time)