XSF Discussion - 2018-11-19

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  251. Guus the Observatory appears to be misbehaving. PHP errors on the front page. Jonas', would you mind kicking off that frontend docker hub project, to see if it goes away?
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  254. jonas’ Guus, I can’t
  255. jonas’ it needs manual iteam intervention, it’s not pulled automatically from docker hub
  256. Guus uhoh
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  258. Guus ah
  259. jonas’ I’ve tried to get iteam attention for weeks now about this :(
  260. jonas’ but in my mind, I already figured that we need to re-implement this on top of something less awful to maintain
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  263. Guus What we see now is not a relatively simple front-end issue?
  264. Guus where's the code anyway? Docker pulls from a non-existing github repo?
  265. Guus https://bitbucket.org/horazont/xmppoke-frontend <-- that one?
  266. Guus err, bitbucket, not github
  267. jonas’ the xmppoke docker stuff itself on https://github.com/horazont/xmppoke-docker
  268. jonas’ the frontend lives here: https://github.com/horazont/xmppoke-frontend-docker
  269. Guus yes, but line 14? https://github.com/horazont/xmppoke-frontend-docker/blob/master/Dockerfile#L14
  270. edhelas (I just posted the release note of Movim 0.14 on HN, for those that are interested https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18485822)
  271. jonas’ Guus, ha, nice
  272. jonas’ but why
  273. jonas’ I don’t have mit bitbucket credentials at hand to check
  274. Guus bitbucket never agreed with me
  275. Guus hopefully you can find out what happened later
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  279. jonas’ Guus, I might forget, feel free to remind me later today (15:00Z+) or on wednesday
  280. Guus kk
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  295. flow why not put a static page up on xmpp.net, saying that we are looking for help maintaining it
  296. Zash Sounds good
  297. daniel I'd volunteer to just rewrite it. But I think someone else is already doing so
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  300. Kev It seems to be broken.
  301. Kev I restarted both poke and the frontend, and the frontend refuses to come up.
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  307. Guus Kev, that's probably because the docker instance is being composed partly from a repository that's currently unvailable.
  308. Guus before the restart, the frontend gave a different error.
  309. Guus Daniel: what makes you think that someone else is already doing so/
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  311. daniel Someone told me
  312. daniel 😏
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  314. daniel Holger mentioned that Matt the jabber.at admin is working on it and also sent me a link that I haven't had time to check out yet
  315. Kev Guus: It was just starting it, rather than recreating the image.
  316. Holger https://github.com/mathiasertl/xmpp-test
  317. Holger daniel: But in the meantime, he said "right now, it's more or less on ice".
  318. daniel If that doesn't lead anywhere I might start my own. I want a test that then will result in a simple boolean to integrate it into the compliance tester
  319. daniel And if I write the tooling to create the boolean I already have what it takes to generate a more verbose output
  320. Kev I suspect that the frontend can't cope with being restarted without being recreated, or something.
  321. Guus Daniel / Holger: Nice!
  322. Guus Kev: Odd!
  323. Guus Until a viable replacement is available, it's probably best not to give up on our old instance though
  324. Kev It seems like someone's moved things around on the filesystem and broken things, but I don't remember who set this up.
  325. daniel I think I might have to grow the compliance tester into a more general thing anyway. During the sprint I wrote a thing that tests for cors headers on the HTTP upload
  326. Guus might take a while before the replacement is ready. Looking at the effort that has gone into the old, but also the new tings (100+ commits) ...
  327. daniel At some point it will make sense to integrate tls testers
  328. Guus Kev, might've been me?
  329. Kev Let's see if I can at least fix the backup script before I go nuclear on it.
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  331. Kev As things stand the backup script is broken, and the README is wrong.
  332. Kev (And the container won't start)
  333. Kev Well, at least I've got the backup script working again.
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  340. Kev Oh, the creation scripts only work if the instance is running. If it's not running, they'll refuse to install a new one.
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  344. Kev Got it back to Warning: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable in /var/www/html/index.php on line 97 state, at least.
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  347. Guus Thanks Kev
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  351. jonas’ daniel, who is rewriting it?
  352. jonas’ the TLS tests can be easily based on testssl.sh, it has a JSON formatted output
  353. jonas’ that was the plan when I get around to do it, but I didn’t start
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  375. Guus jonas' : https://github.com/mathiasertl/xmpp-test
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  409. Guus Jonas' this is your 15:01Z callback ping 🙂
  410. jonas’ thanks!
  411. jonas’ apparently I changed my username and bitbucket doesn’t do redirects :)
  412. moparisthebest jonas’: what I'm hearing is you broke it and it's all your fault
  413. jonas’ no
  414. moparisthebest Lol <3
  415. jonas’ Guus, fix for the URL is pushed
  416. Guus thanks jonas' !
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  427. jonas’ isn’t there a general race condition with multiple clients of the same account in a single MUC where when a MUC forwards a groupchat message to one of the clients and the client goes offline, it might get sent by the XMPP server to the other client ("most available resource")?
  428. Guus jonas' : both index.php as well as list.php don't handle a scenario well where the find_score query doesn't return rows. I'm assuming that's easily fixed. I'm unsure why no scores are returned though. To much work to be processed?
  429. jonas’ I don’t know
  430. Guus https://bitbucket.org/jssfr/xmppoke-frontend/src/84b48437dca24deaf7557c982c069015cf09a396/index.php <-- line 89 does appear to validate if scores is non-empty, but line 97 does not
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  432. jonas’ I didn’t write the PHP code, and I don’t want to maintain it.
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  434. Guus I'll have a stab at fixing the code to prevent the ugly php error
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  438. Guus hargh, how do I fork in Bitbucket?
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  441. Guus ah, by creating a new repo
  442. Guus oh, good, it uses mercurial.
  443. Guus gives up.
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  445. jonas’ not that hard when you just want to patch a thing
  446. jonas’ hg clone, do your thing, hg commit file1 file2 ...
  447. Guus sure, but that'll make me install hg.
  448. Guus I'm doing things in the text editor of bitbucket
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  453. Guus Jonas', I think I just created two PRs against your repo, that _should_ fix the issue
  454. jonas’ Guus, can you try to try it for yourself?
  455. jonas’ the frontend thing contains a docker-compose file which you should be able to use
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  477. jonas’ Guus, hm, I’m really not fond of maintaining this
  478. jonas’ I don’t feel comfortable in reviewing PHP changes, and yet I’m now somewhat of a gatekeeper
  479. Guus I'm to stupid for docker
  480. Guus somehow, my changes aren't picked up
  481. jonas’ did you re-build the image? with the correct tag?
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  493. Guus jonas' : my commits fix php-related errors
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  495. Guus likely not the underlying issue of the tests not being executed
  496. Guus but at least, it's failing more gracefully now.
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  498. jonas’ mmm
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  550. MattJ jonas’ [15:20]: > isn’t there a general race condition with multiple clients of the same account in a single MUC where when a MUC forwards a groupchat message to one of the clients and the client goes offline, it might get sent by the XMPP server to the other client ("most available resource")?
  551. jonas’ no, there isn’t, I figured it out by now
  552. jonas’ due to: Message For a message stanza of type "normal", "groupchat", or "headline", the server MUST either (a) silently ignore the stanza or (b) return an error stanza to the sender, which SHOULD be <service- unavailable/>.
  553. jonas’ sorry for the noise
  554. MattJ Groupchat messages are not redirected to other resources
  555. MattJ Sorry, great :)
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  568. Ge0rG Also "silently ignore the stanza"
  569. MattJ Silently ignore that option
  570. Ge0rG Implementation defined behavior.
  571. jonas’ IB!
  572. jonas’ at least not UB!
  573. MattJ Silently ignore buggy implementations
  574. Ge0rG MattJ: they are not buggy if they are compliant
  575. MattJ You think so? :)
  576. Ge0rG MattJ: by your definition, mod_carbons and mod_mam are buggy as well
  577. Ge0rG shortly considered writing "as hell"
  578. MattJ They are
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  580. Ge0rG And the XEPs are buggy too. And the RFC.
  581. MattJ TCP/IP is buggy, but (mostly) follows spec
  582. MattJ Abandon hope
  583. Zash Humans are buggy
  584. jonas’ it’s all buggy
  585. MattJ Not all
  586. MattJ The stuff we haven't written yet is perfect
  587. Ge0rG It's buggy all the way down. A fractal of bad protocol design
  588. MattJ Ge0rG: great name for a client!
  589. Ge0rG MattJ: "Buggy"? 😀
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  591. moparisthebest Maybe you should just start from scratch, call it matrix or something
  592. Zash Bug is a kind of dance?
  593. moparisthebest I'm sure you won't hit the same problems :)
  594. Ge0rG > have you tried the Buggy messenger? All of them!
  595. Zash -y as suffix is hip again?
  596. Zash hippy
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  599. Ge0rG Buggy, the zimpy messenger.
  600. Ge0rG My phone auto corrected zimpy to "gimpy"
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  603. lovetox when was the last XEP that made it to DRAFT, just out of interest?
  604. jonas’ commit c58d3bbf5ed18e95b374e3bc1db9a85de40f2661 Author: Jonas Wielicki <j.wielicki@sotecware.net> Date: Thu Jan 25 08:54:39 2018 +0100 XEP-0387: Move to draft
  605. jonas’ that’s a good candidate
  606. Zash 1806, it was a cold winter that year
  607. jonas’ ha, the compliance suites
  608. lovetox lol :D
  609. lovetox ok and now a real xep
  610. lovetox please
  611. Zash must have been in the dark ages
  612. jonas’ I’d h ave to do more magic than that, but it might be May 2017
  613. jonas’ or March?
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  615. jonas’ march
  616. jonas’ back when Sam was still editoring much -- it’s not my fault, I swear!!
  617. Ge0rG Getting compliance Suite into draft was hard enough!
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  621. jonas’ yes, XEP-0233 was the last one moving to draft before that, that was in Mar 2017
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  636. SamWhited Speaking of compliance suites, someone should do some for this upcoming year (even if they're basically the same) so that they don't appear out of date
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  639. jonas’ yeah, I’ve got that on my todo
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  641. Ge0rG If it's the same, can we just update the year?
  642. jonas’ next council will decide
  643. jonas’ (but I’m in favour)
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  648. Ge0rG Oh yes, it's missing 0184
  649. Ge0rG I don't even understand how we could miss that.
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