Guusthe Observatory appears to be misbehaving. PHP errors on the front page. Jonas', would you mind kicking off that frontend docker hub project, to see if it goes away?
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jonas’Guus, I can’t
jonas’it needs manual iteam intervention, it’s not pulled automatically from docker hub
Guusuhoh
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jonas’I’ve tried to get iteam attention for weeks now about this :(
jonas’but in my mind, I already figured that we need to re-implement this on top of something less awful to maintain
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GuusWhat we see now is not a relatively simple front-end issue?
Guuswhere's the code anyway? Docker pulls from a non-existing github repo?
Guushttps://bitbucket.org/horazont/xmppoke-frontend <-- that one?
Guuserr, bitbucket, not github
jonas’the xmppoke docker stuff itself on https://github.com/horazont/xmppoke-docker
Guusyes, but line 14? https://github.com/horazont/xmppoke-frontend-docker/blob/master/Dockerfile#L14
edhelas(I just posted the release note of Movim 0.14 on HN, for those that are interested https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18485822)
jonas’Guus, ha, nice
jonas’but why
jonas’I don’t have mit bitbucket credentials at hand to check
Guusbitbucket never agreed with me
Guushopefully you can find out what happened later
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jonas’Guus, I might forget, feel free to remind me later today (15:00Z+) or on wednesday
Guuskk
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flowwhy not put a static page up on xmpp.net, saying that we are looking for help maintaining it
ZashSounds good
danielI'd volunteer to just rewrite it. But I think someone else is already doing so
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KevIt seems to be broken.
KevI restarted both poke and the frontend, and the frontend refuses to come up.
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GuusKev, that's probably because the docker instance is being composed partly from a repository that's currently unvailable.
Guusbefore the restart, the frontend gave a different error.
GuusDaniel: what makes you think that someone else is already doing so/
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danielSomeone told me
daniel😏
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danielHolger mentioned that Matt the jabber.at admin is working on it and also sent me a link that I haven't had time to check out yet
KevGuus: It was just starting it, rather than recreating the image.
Holgerhttps://github.com/mathiasertl/xmpp-test
Holgerdaniel: But in the meantime, he said "right now, it's more or less on ice".
danielIf that doesn't lead anywhere I might start my own. I want a test that then will result in a simple boolean to integrate it into the compliance tester
danielAnd if I write the tooling to create the boolean I already have what it takes to generate a more verbose output
KevI suspect that the frontend can't cope with being restarted without being recreated, or something.
GuusDaniel / Holger: Nice!
GuusKev: Odd!
GuusUntil a viable replacement is available, it's probably best not to give up on our old instance though
KevIt seems like someone's moved things around on the filesystem and broken things, but I don't remember who set this up.
danielI think I might have to grow the compliance tester into a more general thing anyway. During the sprint I wrote a thing that tests for cors headers on the HTTP upload
Guusmight take a while before the replacement is ready. Looking at the effort that has gone into the old, but also the new tings (100+ commits) ...
danielAt some point it will make sense to integrate tls testers
GuusKev, might've been me?
KevLet's see if I can at least fix the backup script before I go nuclear on it.
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KevAs things stand the backup script is broken, and the README is wrong.
Kev(And the container won't start)
KevWell, at least I've got the backup script working again.
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KevOh, the creation scripts only work if the instance is running. If it's not running, they'll refuse to install a new one.
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KevGot it back to
Warning: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable in /var/www/html/index.php on line 97
state, at least.
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GuusThanks Kev
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jonas’daniel, who is rewriting it?
jonas’the TLS tests can be easily based on testssl.sh, it has a JSON formatted output
jonas’that was the plan when I get around to do it, but I didn’t start
jonas’apparently I changed my username and bitbucket doesn’t do redirects :)
moparisthebestjonas’: what I'm hearing is you broke it and it's all your fault
jonas’no
moparisthebestLol <3
jonas’Guus, fix for the URL is pushed
Guusthanks jonas' !
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jonas’isn’t there a general race condition with multiple clients of the same account in a single MUC where when a MUC forwards a groupchat message to one of the clients and the client goes offline, it might get sent by the XMPP server to the other client ("most available resource")?
Guusjonas' : both index.php as well as list.php don't handle a scenario well where the find_score query doesn't return rows. I'm assuming that's easily fixed. I'm unsure why no scores are returned though. To much work to be processed?
jonas’I don’t know
Guushttps://bitbucket.org/jssfr/xmppoke-frontend/src/84b48437dca24deaf7557c982c069015cf09a396/index.php <-- line 89 does appear to validate if scores is non-empty, but line 97 does not
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jonas’I didn’t write the PHP code, and I don’t want to maintain it.
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GuusI'll have a stab at fixing the code to prevent the ugly php error
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Guushargh, how do I fork in Bitbucket?
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Guusah, by creating a new repo
Guusoh, good, it uses mercurial.
Guusgives up.
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jonas’not that hard when you just want to patch a thing
jonas’hg clone, do your thing, hg commit file1 file2 ...
Guussure, but that'll make me install hg.
GuusI'm doing things in the text editor of bitbucket
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GuusJonas', I think I just created two PRs against your repo, that _should_ fix the issue
jonas’Guus, can you try to try it for yourself?
jonas’the frontend thing contains a docker-compose file which you should be able to use
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jonas’Guus, hm, I’m really not fond of maintaining this
jonas’I don’t feel comfortable in reviewing PHP changes, and yet I’m now somewhat of a gatekeeper
GuusI'm to stupid for docker
Guussomehow, my changes aren't picked up
jonas’did you re-build the image? with the correct tag?
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Guusprobably not
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Guusah, got it
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Guusjonas' : my commits fix php-related errors
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Guuslikely not the underlying issue of the tests not being executed
Guusbut at least, it's failing more gracefully now.
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MattJjonas’ [15:20]:
> isn’t there a general race condition with multiple clients of the same account in a single MUC where when a MUC forwards a groupchat message to one of the clients and the client goes offline, it might get sent by the XMPP server to the other client ("most available resource")?
jonas’no, there isn’t, I figured it out by now
jonas’due to:
8.5.3.2.1. Message
For a message stanza of type "normal", "groupchat", or "headline",
the server MUST either (a) silently ignore the stanza or (b) return
an error stanza to the sender, which SHOULD be <service-
unavailable/>.
jonas’sorry for the noise
MattJGroupchat messages are not redirected to other resources
MattJSorry, great :)
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Ge0rGAlso "silently ignore the stanza"
MattJSilently ignore that option
Ge0rGImplementation defined behavior.
jonas’IB!
jonas’at least not UB!
MattJSilently ignore buggy implementations
Ge0rGMattJ: they are not buggy if they are compliant
MattJYou think so? :)
Ge0rGMattJ: by your definition, mod_carbons and mod_mam are buggy as well
Ge0rGshortly considered writing "as hell"
MattJThey are
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Ge0rGAnd the XEPs are buggy too. And the RFC.
MattJTCP/IP is buggy, but (mostly) follows spec
MattJAbandon hope
ZashHumans are buggy
jonas’it’s all buggy
MattJNot all
MattJThe stuff we haven't written yet is perfect
Ge0rGIt's buggy all the way down. A fractal of bad protocol design
MattJGe0rG: great name for a client!
Ge0rGMattJ: "Buggy"? 😀
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moparisthebestMaybe you should just start from scratch, call it matrix or something
ZashBug is a kind of dance?
moparisthebestI'm sure you won't hit the same problems :)
Ge0rG> have you tried the Buggy messenger?
All of them!
Zash-y as suffix is hip again?
Zashhippy
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Ge0rGBuggy, the zimpy messenger.
Ge0rGMy phone auto corrected zimpy to "gimpy"
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lovetoxwhen was the last XEP that made it to DRAFT, just out of interest?
jonas’commit c58d3bbf5ed18e95b374e3bc1db9a85de40f2661
Author: Jonas Wielicki <j.wielicki@sotecware.net>
Date: Thu Jan 25 08:54:39 2018 +0100
XEP-0387: Move to draft
jonas’that’s a good candidate
Zash1806, it was a cold winter that year
jonas’ha, the compliance suites
lovetoxlol :D
lovetoxok and now a real xep
lovetoxplease
Zashmust have been in the dark ages
jonas’I’d h ave to do more magic than that, but it might be May 2017
jonas’or March?
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jonas’back when Sam was still editoring much -- it’s not my fault, I swear!!
Ge0rGGetting compliance Suite into draft was hard enough!
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jonas’yes, XEP-0233 was the last one moving to draft before that, that was in Mar 2017
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SamWhitedSpeaking of compliance suites, someone should do some for this upcoming year (even if they're basically the same) so that they don't appear out of date
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jonas’yeah, I’ve got that on my todo
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Ge0rGIf it's the same, can we just update the year?
jonas’next council will decide
jonas’(but I’m in favour)
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Ge0rGI think I was missing one XEP when explaining what's relevant for mobile to haeckse last weekend
Ge0rGOh yes, it's missing 0184
Ge0rGI don't even understand how we could miss that.
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