XSF Discussion - 2018-11-30

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  167. daniel btw I think it was a good thing to split up the MIX specs
  168. daniel makes reading and understanding the important parts easier
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  170. Kev πŸ‘
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  177. Kev daniel: I think that repeater JID (I forget what we call it) in MIX can actually fully repeat PEP if it chooses to, can't it?
  178. Kev Ah, except the MIX room isn't 'both' in the user's roster, so won't be triggering +notify. Hrm.
  179. Kev Maybe they should be 'both', then?
  180. daniel there is a repeater jid?
  181. daniel the presence subscription will go to the channel jid
  182. daniel and then the channel could do something with it
  183. daniel however i think it might be better if my own account deals with the subscriptions. because my account (by looking at the participant node) knows what people i already have in my roster and with what other people i might be in two different rooms with
  184. Kev I don't remember where the JIDs are specced since the split, hang on.
  185. Ge0rG Proxy JID
  186. Kev Where the rooms are JID visible and you have each other in your rosters, this is all straightforward.
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  190. daniel what about room jids visible and not in each others roster
  191. Ge0rG What about restricting which PEP nodes you want to make accessible to other MIX participants?
  192. daniel isn’t the access model we already have for pep enough?
  193. daniel also i'd be happy if we can get that subscription managment mess sorted out before i think about acl
  194. Zash PEP+ has everything you could ever want
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  198. pep. At your service
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  200. Ge0rG Are there problems that are not solved by forwarding all PEP request sent to the proxy JID to the real JID?
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  202. Zash Prosody 0.11 does that trough MUC now πŸ˜‰
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  218. flow reads like a fantanstic sprint you had, congrats everyone :)
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  224. daniel Ge0rG, my problem is not about 'reaching the jid' but about managing subscriptions to it
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  226. pep. Lots of ways to improve as always but it was great yeah. Thanks jc for organizing it
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  228. Ge0rG didn't write a single line of code at the sprint
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  307. pep. Here you go, we always need a percentage of people slacking off.
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  313. Ge0rG So I'm the bad guy, as always.
  314. pep. Thanks for volunteering
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  318. Ge0rG It's my favorite task assignment. Can I have it in writing please, in case anybody complains about me being rude again.
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  360. daniel We have a xep that allows muc clients to join a mix channel. Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? So from a client perspective we only ever speak mix?
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  362. daniel This could then be merged with the account joins muc concept that some people have been thinking about
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  364. Zash An upgrade path with smaller steps might be easier to get done, yeah
  365. Zash In theory the account-based-muc thing could transparently translate to MIX
  366. Zash Probably with some painful tradeoffs, but smaller steps are easier to take πŸ™‚
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  369. lovetox daniel are you working on implementing mix?
  370. daniel I'm working on *reading* mix
  371. daniel It's only been a couple of hours
  372. lovetox i would be interested to develop against some server that has maybe even some basics of mix implemented
  373. lovetox i remember ejabberd once had a module or not?
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  375. Zash Has the rate of change slowed down enough that MIX won't change under your feet while you're implementing?
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  377. daniel Probably
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  381. lovetox with the rate of xeps that make it to draft these days, i guess this is as far as it will ever get
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  398. Ge0rG > Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? Awesome idea!
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  400. edhelas I have a question regarding https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#bizrules-gen
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  402. edhelas this says that you should not send chatstate if the other client doesn't supports it in his capabilities
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  404. edhelas what about sending messages to the bare jid ?
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  406. Link Mauve You can’t know. Before, we implemented resource locking, but it’s been considered deprecated for a while so we switched to ignoring this text in 0085.
  407. edhelas so basically I can simply close https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/158 as a wontfix :p
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  410. Ge0rG edhelas: yes. Burn resource locking with fire
  411. daniel yeah i mean at least in mucs it breaks apart anyway
  412. Ge0rG edhelas: because Carbons will be emitted to other clients which well might support it (or vice versa)
  413. edhelas happy to close a 2 years bug with a wontfix \o/
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  415. Ge0rG just today wontfixed a yaxim issue from 2011.
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  433. Guus dwd, you around? a one-on-one with you gives me errors
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  436. Guus nor are you in open_chat, where our weekly festivities are about to commence πŸ™‚
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  561. Neustradamus New ticket about jabber.org dh key too small: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/6
  562. Ge0rG Stop the presses! Inform the government! 😁
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  572. Neustradamus Ge0rG: the main XMPP server of the World must to be an example ;)
  573. Zash Neustradamus: Conversations.im ? :P
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  575. moparisthebest Neustradamus, hmm doesn't say how long it was though...
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  578. Zash It's using 1024 bit DH parameters
  579. Zash Recent OpenSSL is rejecting that
  580. moparisthebest nice
  581. Zash ECDHE should work fine, if you trust that kind of dark elliptic magic.
  582. Ge0rG Reminds me of my gradle refusing to download dependencies when running under Java 7
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  584. Neustradamus Guus: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2018-November/thread.html -> A guy speak about my tickets of XMPP.net Have you looked the problem since this moment?
  585. guusdk Neustradamus: yes, part of the problem was solved, the others are being looked at by iteam.
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  587. Guus (what my alterego said)
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  591. Neustradamus Guus: guusdk Nice, do not hesitated to update all the tickets...
  592. Neustradamus xmpp.net has last xmppoke version?
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