edhelas: wasn't it Dutch police that literally just did that
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daniel
btw I think it was a good thing to split up the MIX specs
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makes reading and understanding the important parts easier
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Kev
π
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daniel: I think that repeater JID (I forget what we call it) in MIX can actually fully repeat PEP if it chooses to, can't it?
Kev
Ah, except the MIX room isn't 'both' in the user's roster, so won't be triggering +notify. Hrm.
Kev
Maybe they should be 'both', then?
daniel
there is a repeater jid?
daniel
the presence subscription will go to the channel jid
daniel
and then the channel could do something with it
daniel
however i think it might be better if my own account deals with the subscriptions. because my account (by looking at the participant node) knows what people i already have in my roster and with what other people i might be in two different rooms with
Kev
I don't remember where the JIDs are specced since the split, hang on.
Ge0rG
Proxy JID
Kev
Where the rooms are JID visible and you have each other in your rosters, this is all straightforward.
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what about room jids visible and not in each others roster
Ge0rG
What about restricting which PEP nodes you want to make accessible to other MIX participants?
daniel
isnβt the access model we already have for pep enough?
daniel
also i'd be happy if we can get that subscription managment mess sorted out before i think about acl
Zash
PEP+ has everything you could ever want
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pep.
At your service
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Are there problems that are not solved by forwarding all PEP request sent to the proxy JID to the real JID?
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Prosody 0.11 does that trough MUC now π
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flow
reads like a fantanstic sprint you had, congrats everyone :)
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Ge0rG, my problem is not about 'reaching the jid' but about managing subscriptions to it
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pep.
Lots of ways to improve as always but it was great yeah. Thanks jc for organizing it
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Ge0rGdidn't write a single line of code at the sprint
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pep.
Here you go, we always need a percentage of people slacking off.
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Ge0rG
So I'm the bad guy, as always.
pep.
Thanks for volunteering
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Ge0rG
It's my favorite task assignment. Can I have it in writing please, in case anybody complains about me being rude again.
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daniel
We have a xep that allows muc clients to join a mix channel. Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? So from a client perspective we only ever speak mix?
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This could then be merged with the account joins muc concept that some people have been thinking about
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Zash
An upgrade path with smaller steps might be easier to get done, yeah
Zash
In theory the account-based-muc thing could transparently translate to MIX
Zash
Probably with some painful tradeoffs, but smaller steps are easier to take π
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daniel are you working on implementing mix?
daniel
I'm working on *reading* mix
daniel
It's only been a couple of hours
lovetox
i would be interested to develop against some server that has maybe even some basics of mix implemented
lovetox
i remember ejabberd once had a module or not?
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Has the rate of change slowed down enough that MIX won't change under your feet while you're implementing?
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Probably
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with the rate of xeps that make it to draft these days, i guess this is as far as it will ever get
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Ge0rG
> Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc?
Awesome idea!
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edhelas
I have a question regarding https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#bizrules-gen
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edhelas
this says that you should not send chatstate if the other client doesn't supports it in his capabilities
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edhelas
what about sending messages to the bare jid ?
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Link Mauve
You canβt know. Before, we implemented resource locking, but itβs been considered deprecated for a while so we switched to ignoring this text in 0085.
edhelas
so basically I can simply close https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/158 as a wontfix :p
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edhelas: yes. Burn resource locking with fire
daniel
yeah i mean at least in mucs it breaks apart anyway
Ge0rG
edhelas: because Carbons will be emitted to other clients which well might support it (or vice versa)
edhelas
happy to close a 2 years bug with a wontfix \o/
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Ge0rGjust today wontfixed a yaxim issue from 2011.
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Guus
dwd, you around? a one-on-one with you gives me errors
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nor are you in open_chat, where our weekly festivities are about to commence π
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Neustradamus
New ticket about jabber.org dh key too small: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/6
Ge0rG
Stop the presses! Inform the government! π
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Neustradamus
Ge0rG: the main XMPP server of the World must to be an example ;)
Zash
Neustradamus: Conversations.im ? :P
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moparisthebest
Neustradamus, hmm doesn't say how long it was though...
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Zash
It's using 1024 bit DH parameters
Zash
Recent OpenSSL is rejecting that
moparisthebest
nice
Zash
ECDHE should work fine, if you trust that kind of dark elliptic magic.
Ge0rG
Reminds me of my gradle refusing to download dependencies when running under Java 7
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Neustradamus
Guus: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2018-November/thread.html -> A guy speak about my tickets of XMPP.net
Have you looked the problem since this moment?
guusdk
Neustradamus: yes, part of the problem was solved, the others are being looked at by iteam.
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(what my alterego said)
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Guus: guusdk Nice, do not hesitated to update all the tickets...