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moparisthebest
edhelas: wasn't it Dutch police that literally just did that
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daniel
btw I think it was a good thing to split up the MIX specs
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daniel
makes reading and understanding the important parts easier
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Kev
π
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Kev
daniel: I think that repeater JID (I forget what we call it) in MIX can actually fully repeat PEP if it chooses to, can't it?
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Kev
Ah, except the MIX room isn't 'both' in the user's roster, so won't be triggering +notify. Hrm.
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Kev
Maybe they should be 'both', then?
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daniel
there is a repeater jid?
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daniel
the presence subscription will go to the channel jid
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daniel
and then the channel could do something with it
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daniel
however i think it might be better if my own account deals with the subscriptions. because my account (by looking at the participant node) knows what people i already have in my roster and with what other people i might be in two different rooms with
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Kev
I don't remember where the JIDs are specced since the split, hang on.
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Ge0rG
Proxy JID
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Kev
Where the rooms are JID visible and you have each other in your rosters, this is all straightforward.
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daniel
what about room jids visible and not in each others roster
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Ge0rG
What about restricting which PEP nodes you want to make accessible to other MIX participants?
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daniel
isnβt the access model we already have for pep enough?
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daniel
also i'd be happy if we can get that subscription managment mess sorted out before i think about acl
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Zash
PEP+ has everything you could ever want
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pep.
At your service
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Ge0rG
Are there problems that are not solved by forwarding all PEP request sent to the proxy JID to the real JID?
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Zash
Prosody 0.11 does that trough MUC now π
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flow
reads like a fantanstic sprint you had, congrats everyone :)
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daniel
Ge0rG, my problem is not about 'reaching the jid' but about managing subscriptions to it
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pep.
Lots of ways to improve as always but it was great yeah. Thanks jc for organizing it
- Ge0rG didn't write a single line of code at the sprint
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pep.
Here you go, we always need a percentage of people slacking off.
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Ge0rG
So I'm the bad guy, as always.
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pep.
Thanks for volunteering
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Ge0rG
It's my favorite task assignment. Can I have it in writing please, in case anybody complains about me being rude again.
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daniel
We have a xep that allows muc clients to join a mix channel. Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? So from a client perspective we only ever speak mix?
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daniel
This could then be merged with the account joins muc concept that some people have been thinking about
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Zash
An upgrade path with smaller steps might be easier to get done, yeah
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Zash
In theory the account-based-muc thing could transparently translate to MIX
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Zash
Probably with some painful tradeoffs, but smaller steps are easier to take π
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lovetox
daniel are you working on implementing mix?
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daniel
I'm working on *reading* mix
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daniel
It's only been a couple of hours
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lovetox
i would be interested to develop against some server that has maybe even some basics of mix implemented
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lovetox
i remember ejabberd once had a module or not?
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Zash
Has the rate of change slowed down enough that MIX won't change under your feet while you're implementing?
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daniel
Probably
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lovetox
with the rate of xeps that make it to draft these days, i guess this is as far as it will ever get
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Ge0rG
> Wouldn't it be cool if the mix account thing could also join us in a muc? Awesome idea!
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edhelas
I have a question regarding https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#bizrules-gen
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edhelas
this says that you should not send chatstate if the other client doesn't supports it in his capabilities
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edhelas
what about sending messages to the bare jid ?
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Link Mauve
You canβt know. Before, we implemented resource locking, but itβs been considered deprecated for a while so we switched to ignoring this text in 0085.
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edhelas
so basically I can simply close https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/158 as a wontfix :p
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Ge0rG
edhelas: yes. Burn resource locking with fire
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daniel
yeah i mean at least in mucs it breaks apart anyway
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Ge0rG
edhelas: because Carbons will be emitted to other clients which well might support it (or vice versa)
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edhelas
happy to close a 2 years bug with a wontfix \o/
- Ge0rG just today wontfixed a yaxim issue from 2011.
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Guus
dwd, you around? a one-on-one with you gives me errors
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Guus
nor are you in open_chat, where our weekly festivities are about to commence π
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Neustradamus
New ticket about jabber.org dh key too small: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/6
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Ge0rG
Stop the presses! Inform the government! π
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Neustradamus
Ge0rG: the main XMPP server of the World must to be an example ;)
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Zash
Neustradamus: Conversations.im ? :P
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moparisthebest
Neustradamus, hmm doesn't say how long it was though...
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Zash
It's using 1024 bit DH parameters
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Zash
Recent OpenSSL is rejecting that
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moparisthebest
nice
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Zash
ECDHE should work fine, if you trust that kind of dark elliptic magic.
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Ge0rG
Reminds me of my gradle refusing to download dependencies when running under Java 7
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Neustradamus
Guus: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2018-November/thread.html -> A guy speak about my tickets of XMPP.net Have you looked the problem since this moment?
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guusdk
Neustradamus: yes, part of the problem was solved, the others are being looked at by iteam.
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Guus
(what my alterego said)
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Neustradamus
Guus: guusdk Nice, do not hesitated to update all the tickets...
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Neustradamus
xmpp.net has last xmppoke version?