XSF Discussion - 2018-12-28

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07:57:35 Ge0rG Do you really need to encode the protocol in the user part, or would it suffice to have a domain per protocol (making it something like @jid:xmpp.matrix.org)
07:58:40 fippo note that : is not valid in the domain part... i think i complained in 2004.
08:02:25 Ge0rG fippo: this is about the matrix side of things. Not that I knew anything about that...
08:05:45 fippo if matrix has not learned the lesson to include a protocol prefix then...
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08:06:20 Zash fippo: My advice to you is to close your eyes and back away
08:06:55 oli which lesson
08:07:12 oli ?
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08:22:14 Zash That URLs/URIs are good
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08:24:38 Zash And namespaces in general
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09:55:06 jonas’ fippo, are you takling about XMPP? : is valid in the JID domain part
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10:00:40 fippo doh. i meant the node part -- which means you can't have scheme:user@host
10:01:32 jonas’ that’s a good thing if you want to use it for something else though
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11:09:10 Matthew > <@_xmpp_xmpp-js_xsf=40muc.xmpp.org=2fGe0rG:matrix.org> Do you really need to encode the protocol in the user part, or would it suffice to have a domain per protocol (making it something like @jid:xmpp.matrix.org) yeah, @jid:xmpp.matrix.org would work better (but mean we’d have to run a seperate vhost per bridge, but that’s not a bad thing)
11:09:51 mathieui that looks great
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12:40:11 Ge0rG Also that quoting format... 😱
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13:14:40 35c3.de.half-shot Oh yes, the fallback reply format on Matrix isn't great. The bridge is quite young, and doesn't really do formatting just yet.
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13:51:52 Ge0rG 35c3.de.half-shot: are you aware of the xmpp assembly? I'm sure you can find some folks glad to help out. I've even heard that iNPUTmice from conversations committed to work on a bridge to matrix (under the condition that the protocol stabilizes), so it might be good to bundle efforts
13:52:22 pep. I went to help a bit already with the setup
13:52:55 pep. I'll go say hi again today probably
13:53:32 Ge0rG pep.: awesome!
13:54:22 35c3.de.half-shot Yep :) can have a chat.
13:54:22 35c3.de.half-shot And actually pep. got the bridge going in the first place :D
13:54:22 35c3.de.half-shot (well, pointed us in the right direction for prosody)
13:55:13 Ge0rG I'd love to have a first class bridge running, with support for all the nice xmpp features.
13:56:13 Ge0rG Most modern features should be covered already, but we probably need Carbons from the component domain for the parallel use of native clients
13:56:25 35c3.de.half-shot So yes, Matthew is probably your guy to talk to on protocol stabilization although we are commited to getting a 1.0 out the door within the next couple of months iirc.
13:56:28 35c3.de.half-shot And our full intention is to make a 100% feature compatible bridge where possible.
13:56:32 Ge0rG Most modern features should be covered by XEPs already, but we probably need Carbons from the component domain for the parallel use of native clients
13:56:34 pep. Tbh I am not really fond of xmpp.js and manual xml writing, but I we'll see where that leads the bridge
13:57:12 pep. -I
13:57:29 Ge0rG pep.: I think the important thing is to have somebody with a long term commitment to maintain it
13:57:43 35c3.de.half-shot Also, yes I'd like to have a chat about carbons and resources because it's a bit alien from my pov.
13:59:56 Ge0rG 35c3.de.half-shot: I'm not there, and my time is unfortunately very limited, but feel free to ask here
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14:01:36 Ge0rG 35c3.de.half-shot: think of a resource as a semi stable client Identifier. They are mostly opaque, but sometimes contain a client name. Ideally, each client installation should have a unique one that's persistent, but some implementations have other ideas
14:02:44 Ge0rG 35c3.de.half-shot: for message routing, you should always send to the bare JID (no resource), and have the server figure out everything
14:02:45 35c3.de.half-shot Ah okay, like "half-shot@half-shot.uk/MyPhone". I know that gajim tends to make one like "gajim.sdjgjw" unless you force it :/
14:03:03 Ge0rG (except for MUCs, there everything is different)
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14:03:42 Ge0rG 35c3.de.half-shot: exactly. The problem with "MyPhone" is when you get a second phone and both try to use the same
14:05:21 35c3.de.half-shot I see :)
14:06:18 35c3.de.half-shot This sounds analogous to matrix device ids. Interesting.
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14:24:55 Ge0rG I have a feeling that matrix ends up reinventing most of the things xmpp handled a decade ago 😉
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14:55:05 vanitasvitae Great to see a colaboration!
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15:40:23 Guus > Great to see a colaboration! Exactly!
15:44:39 Ge0rG the bridged users are gone.
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22:20:51 Matthew yeah, membership syncing isn’t hooked up yet
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