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SamWhited
How would you recommend telling someone to get involved with the XSF? I don't see any obvious way to onboard someone, any page to tell them to visit, etc.
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SamWhited
Most of the pages I find, like the events page (https://xmpp.org/community/events.html) are wildly out of date.
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Guus
SamWhited that's not a bad question. I think I'd first try to figure out what would motivate them to join. And, you're right, our onboarding process is... lacking.
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Guus
SamWhited I'm š for seeing your membership expire. Was that intentional?
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SamWhited
Guus: yah, I just don't see the point in membership
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SamWhited
Never did except some overzealous person insisted that I be a member if I wanted to help out with editing
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Guus
SamWhited I agree that membership doesn't offer _that_ much (it's a prerequisite for our voting process, which I think isn't working, and to join work teams), other than symbolic value.
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SamWhited
Yah, maybe I should have just to bolster the number; oh well.
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Guus
but, I do like that symbolic value. It's good to expose ourselves as a group, for example.
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SamWhited
Doesn't seem worth my time just for the number though. Maybe that's what I should send them though, instructions on how to become a member.
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Guus
Do you have suggestions on the onboarding?
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Guus
right
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SamWhited
And descriptions of some of the teams
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SamWhited
No, I was just wondering if anything existed already I could point someone at.
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Guus
I think we're listing the teams on the website? Maybe that too, needs restructuring.
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Guus
Ah, you're having someone specific in mind?
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Guus
as opposed to this being an academical question.
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Guus
well, point them to this MUC?
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SamWhited
Well, it's part of a blog post, not someone specific, but yah.
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SamWhited
That's a good idea
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Guus
I do believe that we've closed ourselves off a little to much, maybe, preventing easy access
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Guus
(we're no longer offering a web client, to sign up to the wiki, you need to jump through hoops)
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Guus
all for reasons, but it's not helping for the onboarding.
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jonasā
I think this MUC is very welcoming to potential members, and itās how I found my place here, kind of.
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lnj
Is there a better room than this for talking about changes on the wiki?
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jonasā
no
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lnj
I'd like to link the Sprints and Meetups pages on the main page of the wiki, but wanted to ask before I do changes on that page.
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jonasā
hm, if you want to modify the main page, maybe hit up the COMM team
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jonasā
which would be at xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join, but they also hang out here.
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lnj
Ok
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lnj
jonasā, The JID isn't working for me.
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jonasā
it is a URL, maybe thatās why?
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jonasā
I can join the MUC at commteam@muc.xmpp.org without issues.
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lnj
... gajim somehow added it as contact instead of bookmark ...
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jonasā
*sigh*
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jonasā
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jonasā
lovetox, ^ *complain* ! ✏
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lnj
Maybe, it was because of the comma at the end, so it wasn't recognizing the `?join` ?
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jonasā
meh
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lovetox
yes exactly thats the reason
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lovetox
:)
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lovetox
maybe i should interpret , ( ) etc, as url endings
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lovetox
even though they are valid in a url
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lovetox
but i guess 99% of the time you will not use these in a url
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jonasā
wikipedia
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jonasā
unfortunately.
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lovetox
lol
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lovetox
indeed they use that
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jonasā
a lot, unfortunately.
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lovetox
hm .. then i probably have to add a regex that interprets xmpp as start and join as end
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jonasā
trimming , at the end of a url if followed by a space is proooobably safe though
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lovetox
ah yeah thats also a option
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jonasā
same for ")" if no "(" is inside the URL
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jonasā
(this goes in the same direction as stuff which was discussed and which I complained about in poezio@ or programming@ the other day)
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Guus
lnj: regarding proposed change: we (well, me) think of the wiki as something to facilitate XSF members, while the website is there to facilitate the general public. As such, I'd prefer that those sprint pages move from the wiki to the website.
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Guus
I'm thinking that they're now on the wiki, as it's easier to modify them for people? I'd love to see if we can make our web editing as accessible .
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lnj
Guus, I think the web editing ins't the problem, it's just easier to write the wiki code.
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Guus
Web is markdown
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Guus
Which is about as easy?
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Guus
Let's move this discussion to that sprint muc, maybe?
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lnj
Guus, ah ups thought it were just HTML
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lnj
ok
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Guus
xmpp:xmpp-sprint@chat.cluxia.eu
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Matthew
(is there a good index of MUCs out there anywhere btw?)
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jonasā
Matthew, https://search.jabber.network
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jonasā
not sure about *good*
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jonasā
but automated and AFAIK comprehensive
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jonasā
if youāve got anything to complain about with that, let me know (I run that thing)
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Matthew
thanks
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Guus
I didn't know about that one. Nice.
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Ge0rG
That sounds like we need better marketing...
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Ge0rG
I'm sure it was covered in the newsletter. Probably it also needs a prominent place on xmpp.org
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Guus
jonasā although I'm on Ubuntu, and perhaps not the most average of visitor to that website, the symbol you used for room details does not render on my laptop: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/browsertest.htm
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SamWhited
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm is good for that; although I don't know how it's recognized in areas with non-latin scripts. Maybe it's different, or maybe it's just "the symbol for information" even if it's not an "i".
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Ge0rG
š doesn't render on my modern android...
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Zash
It renders on my terminal
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SamWhited
oh weird, yah, Android doesn't show that for me either. I think I've seen it before, but maybe those were image fallbacks or something.
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Guus
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm does not render in my browser either.
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Zash
What about `<abbr title="Information">(i)</abbr>` then
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Guus
or a plain old image? š
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jonasā
Guus, SamWhited, itās not "room details", itās specifically "this is non-anonymous"
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jonasā
and it *does* have an <abbr/> tag
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jonasā
(@ Zash)
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jonasā
Guus, an image is harder to obtain than re-using a unicode codepoint :)
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Zash
SVG?
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Zash
jonasā: I didn't question what Guus said
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jonasā
Zash, I just pointed out that it does have an <abbr/> tag to you :)
- Zash looks again
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Guus
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/observer_eye_symbol.png
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jonasā
``` <abbr title="This room is not anonymous; other occupants may be able to see your address.">āæ</abbr> ```
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jonasā
18:37:44 Guus> I didn't know about that one. Nice. wow. it was in the newsletter, I talked about that here and in other rooms, and I announced it on operators@ and developers@ O_O
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Guus
jonasā paying attention is not one of my strong suites.
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jonasā
Guus, not criticising you, fwiw
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Zash
There's a developers@?
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Zash
Or is that jdev@
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Ge0rG
jonasā: PR against xmpp.org ;)
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jonasā
Zash, the mailing list
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jonasā
might also be called jdev though