XSF Discussion - 2018-12-29

  1. SamWhited

    How would you recommend telling someone to get involved with the XSF? I don't see any obvious way to onboard someone, any page to tell them to visit, etc.

  2. SamWhited

    Most of the pages I find, like the events page (https://xmpp.org/community/events.html) are wildly out of date.

  3. Guus

    SamWhited that's not a bad question. I think I'd first try to figure out what would motivate them to join. And, you're right, our onboarding process is... lacking.

  4. Guus

    SamWhited I'm 😞 for seeing your membership expire. Was that intentional?

  5. SamWhited

    Guus: yah, I just don't see the point in membership

  6. SamWhited

    Never did except some overzealous person insisted that I be a member if I wanted to help out with editing

  7. Guus

    SamWhited I agree that membership doesn't offer _that_ much (it's a prerequisite for our voting process, which I think isn't working, and to join work teams), other than symbolic value.

  8. SamWhited

    Yah, maybe I should have just to bolster the number; oh well.

  9. Guus

    but, I do like that symbolic value. It's good to expose ourselves as a group, for example.

  10. SamWhited

    Doesn't seem worth my time just for the number though. Maybe that's what I should send them though, instructions on how to become a member.

  11. Guus

    Do you have suggestions on the onboarding?

  12. Guus


  13. SamWhited

    And descriptions of some of the teams

  14. SamWhited

    No, I was just wondering if anything existed already I could point someone at.

  15. Guus

    I think we're listing the teams on the website? Maybe that too, needs restructuring.

  16. Guus

    Ah, you're having someone specific in mind?

  17. Guus

    as opposed to this being an academical question.

  18. Guus

    well, point them to this MUC?

  19. SamWhited

    Well, it's part of a blog post, not someone specific, but yah.

  20. SamWhited

    That's a good idea

  21. Guus

    I do believe that we've closed ourselves off a little to much, maybe, preventing easy access

  22. Guus

    (we're no longer offering a web client, to sign up to the wiki, you need to jump through hoops)

  23. Guus

    all for reasons, but it's not helping for the onboarding.

  24. jonas’

    I think this MUC is very welcoming to potential members, and it’s how I found my place here, kind of.

  25. lnj

    Is there a better room than this for talking about changes on the wiki?

  26. jonas’


  27. lnj

    I'd like to link the Sprints and Meetups pages on the main page of the wiki, but wanted to ask before I do changes on that page.

  28. jonas’

    hm, if you want to modify the main page, maybe hit up the COMM team

  29. jonas’

    which would be at xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join, but they also hang out here.

  30. lnj


  31. lnj

    jonas’, The JID isn't working for me.

  32. jonas’

    it is a URL, maybe that’s why?

  33. jonas’

    I can join the MUC at commteam@muc.xmpp.org without issues.

  34. lnj

    ... gajim somehow added it as contact instead of bookmark ...

  35. jonas’


  36. jonas’

    lovetox, ^ complain!

  37. jonas’

    lovetox, ^ *complain* !

  38. lnj

    Maybe, it was because of the comma at the end, so it wasn't recognizing the `?join` ?

  39. jonas’


  40. lovetox

    yes exactly thats the reason

  41. lovetox


  42. lovetox

    maybe i should interpret , ( ) etc, as url endings

  43. lovetox

    even though they are valid in a url

  44. lovetox

    but i guess 99% of the time you will not use these in a url

  45. jonas’


  46. jonas’


  47. lovetox


  48. lovetox

    indeed they use that

  49. jonas’

    a lot, unfortunately.

  50. lovetox

    hm .. then i probably have to add a regex that interprets xmpp as start and join as end

  51. jonas’

    trimming , at the end of a url if followed by a space is proooobably safe though

  52. lovetox

    ah yeah thats also a option

  53. jonas’

    same for ")" if no "(" is inside the URL

  54. jonas’

    (this goes in the same direction as stuff which was discussed and which I complained about in poezio@ or programming@ the other day)

  55. Guus

    lnj: regarding proposed change: we (well, me) think of the wiki as something to facilitate XSF members, while the website is there to facilitate the general public. As such, I'd prefer that those sprint pages move from the wiki to the website.

  56. Guus

    I'm thinking that they're now on the wiki, as it's easier to modify them for people? I'd love to see if we can make our web editing as accessible .

  57. lnj

    Guus, I think the web editing ins't the problem, it's just easier to write the wiki code.

  58. Guus

    Web is markdown

  59. Guus

    Which is about as easy?

  60. Guus

    Let's move this discussion to that sprint muc, maybe?

  61. lnj

    Guus, ah ups thought it were just HTML

  62. lnj


  63. Guus


  64. Matthew

    (is there a good index of MUCs out there anywhere btw?)

  65. jonas’

    Matthew, https://search.jabber.network

  66. jonas’

    not sure about *good*

  67. jonas’

    but automated and AFAIK comprehensive

  68. jonas’

    if you’ve got anything to complain about with that, let me know (I run that thing)

  69. Matthew


  70. Guus

    I didn't know about that one. Nice.

  71. Ge0rG

    That sounds like we need better marketing...

  72. Ge0rG

    I'm sure it was covered in the newsletter. Probably it also needs a prominent place on xmpp.org

  73. Guus

    jonas’ although I'm on Ubuntu, and perhaps not the most average of visitor to that website, the symbol you used for room details does not render on my laptop: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/browsertest.htm

  74. SamWhited

    http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm is good for that; although I don't know how it's recognized in areas with non-latin scripts. Maybe it's different, or maybe it's just "the symbol for information" even if it's not an "i".

  75. Ge0rG

    🛈 doesn't render on my modern android...

  76. Zash

    It renders on my terminal

  77. SamWhited

    oh weird, yah, Android doesn't show that for me either. I think I've seen it before, but maybe those were image fallbacks or something.

  78. Guus

    http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm does not render in my browser either.

  79. Zash

    What about `<abbr title="Information">(i)</abbr>` then

  80. Guus

    or a plain old image? 🙂

  81. jonas’

    Guus, SamWhited, it’s not "room details", it’s specifically "this is non-anonymous"

  82. jonas’

    and it *does* have an <abbr/> tag

  83. jonas’

    (@ Zash)

  84. jonas’

    Guus, an image is harder to obtain than re-using a unicode codepoint :)

  85. Zash


  86. Zash

    jonas’: I didn't question what Guus said

  87. jonas’

    Zash, I just pointed out that it does have an <abbr/> tag to you :)

  88. Zash looks again

  89. Guus


  90. jonas’

    ``` <abbr title="This room is not anonymous; other occupants may be able to see your address.">⏿</abbr> ```

  91. jonas’

    18:37:44 Guus> I didn't know about that one. Nice. wow. it was in the newsletter, I talked about that here and in other rooms, and I announced it on operators@ and developers@ O_O

  92. Guus

    jonas’ paying attention is not one of my strong suites.

  93. jonas’

    Guus, not criticising you, fwiw

  94. Zash

    There's a developers@?

  95. Zash

    Or is that jdev@

  96. Ge0rG

    jonas’: PR against xmpp.org ;)

  97. jonas’

    Zash, the mailing list

  98. jonas’

    might also be called jdev though