XSF Discussion - 2018-12-29

How would you recommend telling someone to get involved with the XSF? I don't see any obvious way to onboard someone, any page to tell them to visit, etc.

Most of the pages I find, like the events page (https://xmpp.org/community/events.html) are wildly out of date.

SamWhited that's not a bad question. I think I'd first try to figure out what would motivate them to join. And, you're right, our onboarding process is... lacking.

SamWhited I'm 😞 for seeing your membership expire. Was that intentional?

Guus: yah, I just don't see the point in membership

Never did except some overzealous person insisted that I be a member if I wanted to help out with editing

SamWhited I agree that membership doesn't offer _that_ much (it's a prerequisite for our voting process, which I think isn't working, and to join work teams), other than symbolic value.

Yah, maybe I should have just to bolster the number; oh well.

but, I do like that symbolic value. It's good to expose ourselves as a group, for example.

Doesn't seem worth my time just for the number though. Maybe that's what I should send them though, instructions on how to become a member.

Do you have suggestions on the onboarding?

right

And descriptions of some of the teams

No, I was just wondering if anything existed already I could point someone at.

I think we're listing the teams on the website? Maybe that too, needs restructuring.

Ah, you're having someone specific in mind?

as opposed to this being an academical question.

well, point them to this MUC?

Well, it's part of a blog post, not someone specific, but yah.

That's a good idea

I do believe that we've closed ourselves off a little to much, maybe, preventing easy access

(we're no longer offering a web client, to sign up to the wiki, you need to jump through hoops)

all for reasons, but it's not helping for the onboarding.

I think this MUC is very welcoming to potential members, and it’s how I found my place here, kind of.

Is there a better room than this for talking about changes on the wiki?

no

I'd like to link the Sprints and Meetups pages on the main page of the wiki, but wanted to ask before I do changes on that page.

hm, if you want to modify the main page, maybe hit up the COMM team

which would be at xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join, but they also hang out here.

Ok

jonas’, The JID isn't working for me.

it is a URL, maybe that’s why?

I can join the MUC at commteam@muc.xmpp.org without issues.

... gajim somehow added it as contact instead of bookmark ...

*sigh*

lovetox, ^ *complain* ! ✏

Maybe, it was because of the comma at the end, so it wasn't recognizing the `?join` ?

meh

yes exactly thats the reason

:)

maybe i should interpret , ( ) etc, as url endings

even though they are valid in a url

but i guess 99% of the time you will not use these in a url

wikipedia

unfortunately.

lol

indeed they use that

a lot, unfortunately.

hm .. then i probably have to add a regex that interprets xmpp as start and join as end

trimming , at the end of a url if followed by a space is proooobably safe though

ah yeah thats also a option

same for ")" if no "(" is inside the URL

(this goes in the same direction as stuff which was discussed and which I complained about in poezio@ or programming@ the other day)

lnj: regarding proposed change: we (well, me) think of the wiki as something to facilitate XSF members, while the website is there to facilitate the general public. As such, I'd prefer that those sprint pages move from the wiki to the website.

I'm thinking that they're now on the wiki, as it's easier to modify them for people? I'd love to see if we can make our web editing as accessible .

Guus, I think the web editing ins't the problem, it's just easier to write the wiki code.

Web is markdown

Which is about as easy?

Let's move this discussion to that sprint muc, maybe?

Guus, ah ups thought it were just HTML

ok

xmpp:xmpp-sprint@chat.cluxia.eu

(is there a good index of MUCs out there anywhere btw?)

Matthew, https://search.jabber.network

not sure about *good*

but automated and AFAIK comprehensive

if you’ve got anything to complain about with that, let me know (I run that thing)

thanks

I didn't know about that one. Nice.

That sounds like we need better marketing...

I'm sure it was covered in the newsletter. Probably it also needs a prominent place on xmpp.org

jonas’ although I'm on Ubuntu, and perhaps not the most average of visitor to that website, the symbol you used for room details does not render on my laptop: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/browsertest.htm

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm is good for that; although I don't know how it's recognized in areas with non-latin scripts. Maybe it's different, or maybe it's just "the symbol for information" even if it's not an "i".

🛈 doesn't render on my modern android...

It renders on my terminal

oh weird, yah, Android doesn't show that for me either. I think I've seen it before, but maybe those were image fallbacks or something.

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm does not render in my browser either.

What about `<abbr title="Information">(i)</abbr>` then

or a plain old image? 🙂

Guus, SamWhited, it’s not "room details", it’s specifically "this is non-anonymous"

and it *does* have an <abbr/> tag

(@ Zash)

Guus, an image is harder to obtain than re-using a unicode codepoint :)

SVG?

jonas’: I didn't question what Guus said

Zash, I just pointed out that it does have an <abbr/> tag to you :)

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/observer_eye_symbol.png

``` <abbr title="This room is not anonymous; other occupants may be able to see your address.">⏿</abbr> ```

18:37:44 Guus> I didn't know about that one. Nice. wow. it was in the newsletter, I talked about that here and in other rooms, and I announced it on operators@ and developers@ O_O

jonas’ paying attention is not one of my strong suites.

Guus, not criticising you, fwiw

There's a developers@?

Or is that jdev@

jonas’: PR against xmpp.org ;)

Zash, the mailing list

might also be called jdev though