XSF Discussion - 2018-12-29

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  241. SamWhited How would you recommend telling someone to get involved with the XSF? I don't see any obvious way to onboard someone, any page to tell them to visit, etc.
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  247. SamWhited Most of the pages I find, like the events page (https://xmpp.org/community/events.html) are wildly out of date.
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  272. Guus SamWhited that's not a bad question. I think I'd first try to figure out what would motivate them to join. And, you're right, our onboarding process is... lacking.
  273. Guus SamWhited I'm 😞 for seeing your membership expire. Was that intentional?
  274. SamWhited Guus: yah, I just don't see the point in membership
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  276. SamWhited Never did except some overzealous person insisted that I be a member if I wanted to help out with editing
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  278. Guus SamWhited I agree that membership doesn't offer _that_ much (it's a prerequisite for our voting process, which I think isn't working, and to join work teams), other than symbolic value.
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  281. SamWhited Yah, maybe I should have just to bolster the number; oh well.
  282. Guus but, I do like that symbolic value. It's good to expose ourselves as a group, for example.
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  284. SamWhited Doesn't seem worth my time just for the number though. Maybe that's what I should send them though, instructions on how to become a member.
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  287. Guus Do you have suggestions on the onboarding?
  288. Guus right
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  290. SamWhited And descriptions of some of the teams
  291. SamWhited No, I was just wondering if anything existed already I could point someone at.
  292. Guus I think we're listing the teams on the website? Maybe that too, needs restructuring.
  293. Guus Ah, you're having someone specific in mind?
  294. Guus as opposed to this being an academical question.
  295. Guus well, point them to this MUC?
  296. SamWhited Well, it's part of a blog post, not someone specific, but yah.
  297. SamWhited That's a good idea
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  300. Guus I do believe that we've closed ourselves off a little to much, maybe, preventing easy access
  301. Guus (we're no longer offering a web client, to sign up to the wiki, you need to jump through hoops)
  302. Guus all for reasons, but it's not helping for the onboarding.
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  316. jonas’ I think this MUC is very welcoming to potential members, and it’s how I found my place here, kind of.
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  350. lnj Is there a better room than this for talking about changes on the wiki?
  351. jonas’ no
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  353. lnj I'd like to link the Sprints and Meetups pages on the main page of the wiki, but wanted to ask before I do changes on that page.
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  355. jonas’ hm, if you want to modify the main page, maybe hit up the COMM team
  356. jonas’ which would be at xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join, but they also hang out here.
  357. lnj Ok
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  359. lnj jonas’, The JID isn't working for me.
  360. jonas’ it is a URL, maybe that’s why?
  361. jonas’ I can join the MUC at commteam@muc.xmpp.org without issues.
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  363. lnj ... gajim somehow added it as contact instead of bookmark ...
  364. jonas’ *sigh*
  365. jonas’ lovetox, ^ complain!
  366. jonas’ lovetox, ^ *complain* !
  367. lnj Maybe, it was because of the comma at the end, so it wasn't recognizing the `?join` ?
  368. jonas’ meh
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  372. lovetox yes exactly thats the reason
  373. lovetox :)
  374. lovetox maybe i should interpret , ( ) etc, as url endings
  375. lovetox even though they are valid in a url
  376. lovetox but i guess 99% of the time you will not use these in a url
  377. jonas’ wikipedia
  378. jonas’ unfortunately.
  379. lovetox lol
  380. lovetox indeed they use that
  381. jonas’ a lot, unfortunately.
  382. lovetox hm .. then i probably have to add a regex that interprets xmpp as start and join as end
  383. jonas’ trimming , at the end of a url if followed by a space is proooobably safe though
  384. lovetox ah yeah thats also a option
  385. jonas’ same for ")" if no "(" is inside the URL
  386. jonas’ (this goes in the same direction as stuff which was discussed and which I complained about in poezio@ or programming@ the other day)
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  424. Guus lnj: regarding proposed change: we (well, me) think of the wiki as something to facilitate XSF members, while the website is there to facilitate the general public. As such, I'd prefer that those sprint pages move from the wiki to the website.
  425. Guus I'm thinking that they're now on the wiki, as it's easier to modify them for people? I'd love to see if we can make our web editing as accessible .
  426. lnj Guus, I think the web editing ins't the problem, it's just easier to write the wiki code.
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  428. Guus Web is markdown
  429. Guus Which is about as easy?
  430. Guus Let's move this discussion to that sprint muc, maybe?
  431. lnj Guus, ah ups thought it were just HTML
  432. lnj ok
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  435. Guus xmpp:xmpp-sprint@chat.cluxia.eu
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  458. Matthew (is there a good index of MUCs out there anywhere btw?)
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  460. jonas’ Matthew, https://search.jabber.network
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  462. jonas’ not sure about *good*
  463. jonas’ but automated and AFAIK comprehensive
  464. jonas’ if you’ve got anything to complain about with that, let me know (I run that thing)
  465. Matthew thanks
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  470. Guus I didn't know about that one. Nice.
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  475. Ge0rG That sounds like we need better marketing...
  476. Ge0rG I'm sure it was covered in the newsletter. Probably it also needs a prominent place on xmpp.org
  477. Guus jonas’ although I'm on Ubuntu, and perhaps not the most average of visitor to that website, the symbol you used for room details does not render on my laptop: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/browsertest.htm
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  481. SamWhited http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm is good for that; although I don't know how it's recognized in areas with non-latin scripts. Maybe it's different, or maybe it's just "the symbol for information" even if it's not an "i".
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  485. Ge0rG 🛈 doesn't render on my modern android...
  486. Zash It renders on my terminal
  487. SamWhited oh weird, yah, Android doesn't show that for me either. I think I've seen it before, but maybe those were image fallbacks or something.
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  490. Guus http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f6c8/browsertest.htm does not render in my browser either.
  491. Zash What about `<abbr title="Information">(i)</abbr>` then
  492. Guus or a plain old image? 🙂
  493. jonas’ Guus, SamWhited, it’s not "room details", it’s specifically "this is non-anonymous"
  494. jonas’ and it *does* have an <abbr/> tag
  495. jonas’ (@ Zash)
  496. jonas’ Guus, an image is harder to obtain than re-using a unicode codepoint :)
  497. Zash SVG?
  498. Zash jonas’: I didn't question what Guus said
  499. jonas’ Zash, I just pointed out that it does have an <abbr/> tag to you :)
  500. Zash looks again
  501. Guus http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/23ff/observer_eye_symbol.png
  502. jonas’ ``` <abbr title="This room is not anonymous; other occupants may be able to see your address.">⏿</abbr> ```
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  505. jonas’ 18:37:44 Guus> I didn't know about that one. Nice. wow. it was in the newsletter, I talked about that here and in other rooms, and I announced it on operators@ and developers@ O_O
  506. Guus jonas’ paying attention is not one of my strong suites.
  507. jonas’ Guus, not criticising you, fwiw
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  510. Zash There's a developers@?
  511. Zash Or is that jdev@
  512. Ge0rG jonas’: PR against xmpp.org ;)
  513. jonas’ Zash, the mailing list
  514. jonas’ might also be called jdev though
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