XSF Discussion - 2019-01-08

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  163. MattJ

    Guus: that's provided by a package in Debian

  164. Zash

    If you build it from source you likely need to pass the path to the root keys yourself

  165. Zash

    Also, cloning a repo in a build script? Ugh

  166. jonas’

    Zash, that’s not the worst that thing does :D

  167. jonas’

    there’s a sed invocation in there

  168. Ge0rG

    "there’s a sed invocation in there" -- jonas’' standard answer

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  170. Zash

    jonas’: I'm looking forward to your talk "sed - and when not to use it"

  171. Ge0rG

    Zash: 0 slides.

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  173. jonas’

    Ge0rG, nah, I officially stated that you don’t wanna implement SCRAM in sed

  174. Ge0rG

    jonas’: you take awk for that?

  175. jonas’

    no, I don’t believe in awk

  176. jonas’

    I only believe in grep and sed

  177. jonas’

    never got around to learn awk (or even cut for that matter)

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  180. jonas’

    I knew regular expressions well before I knew bash

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  183. Guus

    Zash, could you help out please?

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  186. Ge0rG

    I used to have a printout of http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990815 in my army locker.

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  188. Zash

    Guus: How?

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  192. Guus

    Zash: adjust this script to install luaunbound + the desired root key

  193. Guus


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  195. Guus

    Ge0rG was in the army? 😱

  196. Ge0rG

    Guus: not a real army, just Bundeswehr

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  199. Zash

    But Docker? :(

  200. Guus

    1. Make it work

  201. Guus

    2. Make it right

  202. Guus

    (also, Docker was requested by iteam for easy deployment, iirc)

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  204. Zash

    You want horrible but working? `dig dnskey . > root.keys`

  205. Zash

    Securely obtaining root key material is an entire project of its own

  206. Ge0rG

    securely obtain them on your PC, type "echo $KEY > root.keys" into the dockerfile

  207. Guus

    guys, I do not know what this all means. Can one of you please do a PR with the required changes?

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  209. Zash

    add dns-root-data to the apt line

  210. Zash

    and add -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' to CFLAGS when building luaunbound

  211. Guus

    is this the right commit to use? b4b293593d0ef64d623a54a8b8d2c1dea4c5e870

  212. Zash


  213. Zash

    That's from 2015

  214. Guus

    ok, latest/greatest then? 8356eb09ebaa ?

  215. Zash

    Why even clone? Dowloading all history serves absolutely no purpose if you're just going to throw it all away and rebuild it from scratch next time

  216. Zash

    Everything about this is horrifying

  217. Guus

    Zash - at this point, I settle for 'horrifying, but functional'

  218. Guus

    as soon as we get it to work, I'm perfectly happy to wait for someone to improve things

  219. Guus

    but as things are, we have a broken system, with hardly anyone able to spend time on to get it back to work.

  220. Zash

    Even the tarballs like https://code.zash.se/luaunbound/archive/RRRRRRRRRRR.tar.gz would make more sense

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  223. Ge0rG

    Ping Alex, what's the status of the Q1 membership election?

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  226. Guus

    Zash, how do I properly pass arguments to CFLAGS? (i'm a java guy)

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  228. Guus

    this does not compile: CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1 -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make

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  230. Zash

    escape the space

  231. Guus

    this does not compile: CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make

  232. Guus

    like that?

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  235. Zash

    That should work

  236. Guus

    oh, that was an unintentional correction of my first message.

  237. Guus


  238. Ge0rG

    I think if you single-quote the doublequotes, they might become part of the variable

  239. Ge0rG

    but it depends on where you embed that. Either way, you don't need those ""

  240. Zash


  241. jonas’

    Ge0rG, not?

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  243. jonas’

    isn’t this supposed to become a C string?

  244. jonas’

    I don’t expect the C compiler to add "" to a -D

  245. Ge0rG

    Oh, wait

  246. Ge0rG

    yes, ignore everything I said.

  247. Zash

    I tested before I added all those quotes

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  249. Ge0rG

    I'm not awake (yet).

  250. Guus

    Package lua-5.2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `lua-5.2.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'lua-5.2' found

  251. Guus

    I'm guessing the first argument is now ignored?

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  253. Zash

    Pass LUA_VERSION=5.1

  254. Guus


  255. Guus

    export LUA_VERSION=5.1 <-- like that?

  256. Zash

    It's a variable just like CFLAGS

  257. Guus

    ok, so: LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make

  258. Guus


  259. Zash

    Don't think you need the path then

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  261. Zash

    should be enough with `LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"'`

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  265. Guus

    trying that...

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  268. MattJ

    And does the file exist?

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  270. Guus

    slightly different fail: https://pastebin.com/wY7nNgaq

  271. Zash

    Try passing them as arguments to make instead of as env variables

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  275. Guus

    make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' <-- ?

  276. Zash

    As in, `make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='...'`

  277. Zash


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  279. Zash

    MattJ: Assuming that package is installed, it should be: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/dns-root-data/filelist

  280. Guus

    interestingly, the make install does this differently : make LUA_LIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/lua/5.1/ install

  281. Guus

    new error: https://pastebin.com/jzFKvyMx

  282. Zash


  283. Zash

    Can't what

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  286. Zash

    So you can't pass stuff to be merged into CFLAGS?

  287. Guus

    I have no clue what I'm doing.

  288. Zash

    Fighting Make

  289. Guus

    I never worked with lua before, I hardly ever touched make.

  290. Ge0rG

    `make lua work`

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  293. Zash

    Guus: Ok, go back to passing the path but also do it as argument

  294. Guus

    make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"'

  295. Zash


  296. Zash

    Now I get an infinite list of compiler errors

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  298. Zash

    aaaah `make -B LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-fPIC -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE=\"/usr/share/dns/root.ds\"'`

  299. Zash

    Seven layers of escape hell

  300. Guus

    awesome, now make install fails 🙂

  301. Zash

    Why is it doing both that and copying it to ../util/ ?

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  303. Guus

    I do not know

  304. Zash

    Try removing make install and copy it to ../ instead

  305. Guus

    that makes it pass, but makes the installation of verse (next Docker RUN) fail. I did comment some other steps to save some time though

  306. Guus

    or does that RUN depend on the environment variables that we're now no longer setting?

  307. Zash

    Which one?

  308. Guus

    RUN cd verse && ./configure && make && make install

  309. Zash

    Pretty sure the scope of variables like that is just that single command

  310. Guus

    hmm, maybe I commented something that was important

  311. Guus

    I'm retrying the entire script now

  312. Guus

    (which takes a while)

  313. Guus

    Successfully built 7322db74fe69

  314. Guus


  315. Guus

    let's see if this fixes the bogus dnssec thingy

  316. Zash

    Didn't forget the debian package with the keys?

  317. Guus

    suggestions for a domain to test?

  318. Guus

    I added one package to the apt-get install line

  319. Guus

    the one you suggested.

  320. Zash

    Ought to work then

  321. Zash

    I have DNSSEC+DANE on my domain, zash.se, but I get a bit annoyed from the security alerts triggered by the test

  322. Zash

    Is the Retest link just a simple GET?

  323. Zash

    Probably getting triggered by web crawlers all the time

  324. Guus

    Tests appear to not even start now

  325. Guus

    test starts are a POST

  326. Guus

    bah, the poker process exits with exit code 1

  327. Guus

    whatever that means.

  328. Zash

    The 'Retest' link on individual result pages go to https://xmpp.net/submit.php?domain=DOMAIN&type=server

  329. jonas’

    Guus, you can test search.jabber.network

  330. jonas’


  331. jonas’

    no wait, that domain doesn’t have DNSSEC

  332. jonas’

    but dreckshal.de should do

  333. Guus

    I currently can't test anything

  334. jonas’

    it has DNSSEC and needs properly working SRV

  335. jonas’

    sure, but when you need a target, you can use that

  336. pep.

    > Zash> Probably getting triggered by web crawlers all the time This ^

  337. jonas’

    Zash, ouch

  338. jonas’

    that needs fixing

  339. jonas’

    and explains *a lot*

  340. Guus

    Indeed - kindly raise an issue in github

  341. jonas’

    I don’t have my GH credentials at hand

  342. Guus

    Jonas', any idea how I can debug the poker?

  343. Guus

    or increase log output?

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  345. Zash

    Can it still be run as a CLI script?

  346. jonas’

    Guus, sorry, -EBUSY

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  348. Zash

    Guus: https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/issues/5

  349. Guus


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  352. Guus

    Zash does this make sense to you? https://pastebin.com/1uG7ntvA

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  354. Guus

    (That's my attempt at running it at the command line, unsure if I did that right)

  355. Zash

    Guus: remove "util." from that

  356. Guus

    util is only in the output

  357. Guus

    the command I issued was: luajit /opt/xmppoke/xmppoke.lua --mode=server --capath=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt -v -d=15 jabber.org

  358. Zash

    Somewhere in the source, there will be `require"util.lunbound"`

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  360. Guus

    not in the xmppoke sources, it appears.

  361. Guus

    maybe a third party project?

  362. Zash

    https://code.zash.se/luaunbound-prosody/ probably, but I don't see where it fetches that

  363. Zash

    That stuff was split out into its own repo

  364. Guus

    a local file xmpppoke.lua has it

  365. Guus

    so, where's that in source...

  366. Zash


  367. Zash


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  369. Guus

    Yeah, I don't know how to fix that.

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  371. Zash

    Point it to https://code.zash.se/luaunbound-prosody/ and some more recent commit probably?

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  374. Guus

    that got me to the next error: https://pastebin.com/Jscjys6f

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  376. Zash

    It's right there: https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/blob/master/ciphertable.lua

  377. Guus

    how do I tell the code that? 😃

  378. pep.

    jonas’, https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/501

  379. jonas’

    LGTM, but I don’t have my credentials here

  380. pep.


  381. Guus

    wait, it matters from what directory I execute luajit?

  382. jonas’

    Guus, it might if what you’re running tries to import stuff which only exists in some directory

  383. Guus


  384. Guus

    so, If I execute from /opt/xmppoke, and move lunbind.so from /utils to the parent dir, something starts but reports a database error

  385. Guus

    that's likely my setup

  386. jonas’

    yeah, it wants to connect to the postgresql thing

  387. jonas’

    you should be able to make it work completely when you use my docker-compose thing

  388. Zash

    And that's where it stopped being useful as a CLI tool :(

  389. Guus


  390. Guus

    okay... giving this another try...

  391. jonas’

    but I can’t really give support for the compose setup right now

  392. Guus

    I have compose set up, somewhat

  393. Zash

    Can I run away and hide from database issues now please?

  394. Guus

    but I had to go CLI to figure out what the error was.

  395. Guus

    You can run, but you cannot hide.

  396. Guus

    Thanks for your help though 🙂

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  404. Guus

    let's tackle that POST issue too...

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  439. Guus

    I'm declaring absolute and total succes.

  440. Guus

    those who disagree shall receive git commit access.

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  445. MattJ


  446. MattJ

    Thanks Guus

  447. pep.

    Guus, don't make it that simple to get git access

  448. Zash

    Let it be said that those who complains gets to fix it

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  451. Guus

    I wonder what this does for the load on that machine

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  453. pep.

    hmm, maybe we could also have added robots.txt

  454. pep.

    Thought POST is probably more effective

  455. Guus

    Feel free to PR

  456. pep.

    Though POST is probably more effective

  457. oli

    pep.: more effective in which way

  458. Zash

    Web robots aren't supposed to do POST requests

  459. Zash

    GET requests aren't supposed to have any effects

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  461. Guus

    Also, as you questioned my absolute and total success: tag, you're it.

  462. pep.

    oli, less likely that bots do POST indeed, even if they ignore robots.txt

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  464. Ge0rG

    Zash [12:16]: > Web robots aren't supposed to do POST requests Spam bots will POST every form they see with garbage.

  465. pep.

    I guess we'll see..

  466. pep.

    If I continue receiving alerts after that

  467. oli

    you can put a captcha...

  468. pep.

    please don't

  469. oli


  470. oli

    GET is for getting stuff, POST for posting

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  473. jonas’

    Ge0rG, sure, but that’s still better than having a standard search engine bot triggering insane amounts of xmpp.net tests because the submit action is a GET

  474. Guus

    Salvation is upon us!

  475. Zash

    At least with search engine bots it's unintentional

  476. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I fully agree

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  624. lovetox

    really self ping is in last call?

  625. lovetox

    bit short timeframe to give for clients to implement but ok

  626. Ge0rG

    lovetox: we have two implementations, and it's a godsend.

  627. jonas’

    LC doesn’t need implementations

  628. jonas’

    CFE needs implementations

  629. Ge0rG

    lovetox: if you aren't on the train yet, your own fault

  630. lovetox

    whats cfe?

  631. jonas’

    lovetox, to Final

  632. jonas’

    (as opposed as to Draft)

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  634. lovetox

    so thing that never happend since i joined xmpp and probably never will :D

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  637. pep.

    I joined the xmpp-observatory org on github, but maybe I shouldn't have. More work for me now. Guus was that related to my comment about robots.txt? :)

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  639. Guus

    pep.: That, and my promise. 😉

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  641. Guus

    > Also, as you questioned my absolute and total success: tag, you're it. (This)

  642. pep.


  643. pep.

    I'm more of a RIIR person. But then real life comes in the way and nothing gets done

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