XSF Discussion - 2019-01-08

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  163. MattJ Guus: that's provided by a package in Debian
  164. Zash If you build it from source you likely need to pass the path to the root keys yourself
  165. Zash Also, cloning a repo in a build script? Ugh
  166. jonas’ Zash, that’s not the worst that thing does :D
  167. jonas’ there’s a sed invocation in there
  168. Ge0rG "there’s a sed invocation in there" -- jonas’' standard answer
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  170. Zash jonas’: I'm looking forward to your talk "sed - and when not to use it"
  171. Ge0rG Zash: 0 slides.
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  173. jonas’ Ge0rG, nah, I officially stated that you don’t wanna implement SCRAM in sed
  174. Ge0rG jonas’: you take awk for that?
  175. jonas’ no, I don’t believe in awk
  176. jonas’ I only believe in grep and sed
  177. jonas’ never got around to learn awk (or even cut for that matter)
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  180. jonas’ I knew regular expressions well before I knew bash
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  183. Guus Zash, could you help out please?
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  186. Ge0rG I used to have a printout of http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990815 in my army locker.
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  188. Zash Guus: How?
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  192. Guus Zash: adjust this script to install luaunbound + the desired root key
  193. Guus https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/blob/master/Dockerfile
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  195. Guus Ge0rG was in the army? 😱
  196. Ge0rG Guus: not a real army, just Bundeswehr
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  199. Zash But Docker? :(
  200. Guus 1. Make it work
  201. Guus 2. Make it right
  202. Guus (also, Docker was requested by iteam for easy deployment, iirc)
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  204. Zash You want horrible but working? `dig dnskey . > root.keys`
  205. Zash Securely obtaining root key material is an entire project of its own
  206. Ge0rG securely obtain them on your PC, type "echo $KEY > root.keys" into the dockerfile
  207. Guus guys, I do not know what this all means. Can one of you please do a PR with the required changes?
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  209. Zash add dns-root-data to the apt line
  210. Zash and add -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' to CFLAGS when building luaunbound
  211. Guus is this the right commit to use? b4b293593d0ef64d623a54a8b8d2c1dea4c5e870
  212. Zash No
  213. Zash That's from 2015
  214. Guus ok, latest/greatest then? 8356eb09ebaa ?
  215. Zash Why even clone? Dowloading all history serves absolutely no purpose if you're just going to throw it all away and rebuild it from scratch next time
  216. Zash Everything about this is horrifying
  217. Guus Zash - at this point, I settle for 'horrifying, but functional'
  218. Guus as soon as we get it to work, I'm perfectly happy to wait for someone to improve things
  219. Guus but as things are, we have a broken system, with hardly anyone able to spend time on to get it back to work.
  220. Zash Even the tarballs like https://code.zash.se/luaunbound/archive/RRRRRRRRRRR.tar.gz would make more sense
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  223. Ge0rG Ping Alex, what's the status of the Q1 membership election?
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  226. Guus Zash, how do I properly pass arguments to CFLAGS? (i'm a java guy)
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  228. Guus this does not compile: CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1 -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make
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  230. Zash escape the space
  231. Guus this does not compile: CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make
  232. Guus like that?
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  235. Zash That should work
  236. Guus oh, that was an unintentional correction of my first message.
  237. Guus ok
  238. Ge0rG I think if you single-quote the doublequotes, they might become part of the variable
  239. Ge0rG but it depends on where you embed that. Either way, you don't need those ""
  240. Zash Not?
  241. jonas’ Ge0rG, not?
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  243. jonas’ isn’t this supposed to become a C string?
  244. jonas’ I don’t expect the C compiler to add "" to a -D
  245. Ge0rG Oh, wait
  246. Ge0rG yes, ignore everything I said.
  247. Zash I tested before I added all those quotes
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  249. Ge0rG I'm not awake (yet).
  250. Guus Package lua-5.2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `lua-5.2.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'lua-5.2' found
  251. Guus I'm guessing the first argument is now ignored?
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  253. Zash Pass LUA_VERSION=5.1
  254. Guus how?
  255. Guus export LUA_VERSION=5.1 <-- like that?
  256. Zash It's a variable just like CFLAGS
  257. Guus ok, so: LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' make
  258. Guus ?
  259. Zash Don't think you need the path then
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  261. Zash should be enough with `LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"'`
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  265. Guus trying that...
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  268. MattJ And does the file exist?
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  270. Guus slightly different fail: https://pastebin.com/wY7nNgaq
  271. Zash Try passing them as arguments to make instead of as env variables
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  275. Guus make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"' <-- ?
  276. Zash As in, `make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='...'`
  277. Zash yes
  278. Guus attempting...
  279. Zash MattJ: Assuming that package is installed, it should be: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/dns-root-data/filelist
  280. Guus interestingly, the make install does this differently : make LUA_LIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/lua/5.1/ install
  281. Guus new error: https://pastebin.com/jzFKvyMx
  282. Zash What
  283. Zash Can't what
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  286. Zash So you can't pass stuff to be merged into CFLAGS?
  287. Guus I have no clue what I'm doing.
  288. Zash Fighting Make
  289. Guus I never worked with lua before, I hardly ever touched make.
  290. Ge0rG `make lua work`
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  293. Zash Guus: Ok, go back to passing the path but also do it as argument
  294. Guus make LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/lua5.1\ -D'IANA_ROOT_TA_FILE="/usr/share/dns/root.ds"'
  295. Zash To
  296. Zash Now I get an infinite list of compiler errors
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  298. Zash aaaah `make -B LUA_VERSION=5.1 CFLAGS='-fPIC -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -DIANA_ROOT_TA_FILE=\"/usr/share/dns/root.ds\"'`
  299. Zash Seven layers of escape hell
  300. Guus awesome, now make install fails 🙂
  301. Zash Why is it doing both that and copying it to ../util/ ?
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  303. Guus I do not know
  304. Zash Try removing make install and copy it to ../ instead
  305. Guus that makes it pass, but makes the installation of verse (next Docker RUN) fail. I did comment some other steps to save some time though
  306. Guus or does that RUN depend on the environment variables that we're now no longer setting?
  307. Zash Which one?
  308. Guus RUN cd verse && ./configure && make && make install
  309. Zash Pretty sure the scope of variables like that is just that single command
  310. Guus hmm, maybe I commented something that was important
  311. Guus I'm retrying the entire script now
  312. Guus (which takes a while)
  313. Guus Successfully built 7322db74fe69
  314. Guus yey!
  315. Guus let's see if this fixes the bogus dnssec thingy
  316. Zash Didn't forget the debian package with the keys?
  317. Guus suggestions for a domain to test?
  318. Guus I added one package to the apt-get install line
  319. Guus the one you suggested.
  320. Zash Ought to work then
  321. Zash I have DNSSEC+DANE on my domain, zash.se, but I get a bit annoyed from the security alerts triggered by the test
  322. Zash Is the Retest link just a simple GET?
  323. Zash Probably getting triggered by web crawlers all the time
  324. Guus Tests appear to not even start now
  325. Guus test starts are a POST
  326. Guus bah, the poker process exits with exit code 1
  327. Guus whatever that means.
  328. Zash The 'Retest' link on individual result pages go to https://xmpp.net/submit.php?domain=DOMAIN&type=server
  329. jonas’ Guus, you can test search.jabber.network
  330. jonas’ (s2s)
  331. jonas’ no wait, that domain doesn’t have DNSSEC
  332. jonas’ but dreckshal.de should do
  333. Guus I currently can't test anything
  334. jonas’ it has DNSSEC and needs properly working SRV
  335. jonas’ sure, but when you need a target, you can use that
  336. pep. > Zash> Probably getting triggered by web crawlers all the time This ^
  337. jonas’ Zash, ouch
  338. jonas’ that needs fixing
  339. jonas’ and explains *a lot*
  340. Guus Indeed - kindly raise an issue in github
  341. jonas’ I don’t have my GH credentials at hand
  342. Guus Jonas', any idea how I can debug the poker?
  343. Guus or increase log output?
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  345. Zash Can it still be run as a CLI script?
  346. jonas’ Guus, sorry, -EBUSY
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  348. Zash Guus: https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/issues/5
  349. Guus tx
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  352. Guus Zash does this make sense to you? https://pastebin.com/1uG7ntvA
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  354. Guus (That's my attempt at running it at the command line, unsure if I did that right)
  355. Zash Guus: remove "util." from that
  356. Guus util is only in the output
  357. Guus the command I issued was: luajit /opt/xmppoke/xmppoke.lua --mode=server --capath=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt -v -d=15 jabber.org
  358. Zash Somewhere in the source, there will be `require"util.lunbound"`
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  360. Guus not in the xmppoke sources, it appears.
  361. Guus maybe a third party project?
  362. Zash https://code.zash.se/luaunbound-prosody/ probably, but I don't see where it fetches that
  363. Zash That stuff was split out into its own repo
  364. Guus a local file xmpppoke.lua has it
  365. Guus so, where's that in source...
  366. Zash https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/blob/master/squishy#L6
  367. Zash https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/blob/master/squishy#L8
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  369. Guus Yeah, I don't know how to fix that.
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  371. Zash Point it to https://code.zash.se/luaunbound-prosody/ and some more recent commit probably?
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  374. Guus that got me to the next error: https://pastebin.com/Jscjys6f
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  376. Zash It's right there: https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/blob/master/ciphertable.lua
  377. Guus how do I tell the code that? 😃
  378. pep. jonas’, https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/501
  379. jonas’ LGTM, but I don’t have my credentials here
  380. pep. k
  381. Guus wait, it matters from what directory I execute luajit?
  382. jonas’ Guus, it might if what you’re running tries to import stuff which only exists in some directory
  383. Guus okay
  384. Guus so, If I execute from /opt/xmppoke, and move lunbind.so from /utils to the parent dir, something starts but reports a database error
  385. Guus that's likely my setup
  386. jonas’ yeah, it wants to connect to the postgresql thing
  387. jonas’ you should be able to make it work completely when you use my docker-compose thing
  388. Zash And that's where it stopped being useful as a CLI tool :(
  389. Guus right
  390. Guus okay... giving this another try...
  391. jonas’ but I can’t really give support for the compose setup right now
  392. Guus I have compose set up, somewhat
  393. Zash Can I run away and hide from database issues now please?
  394. Guus but I had to go CLI to figure out what the error was.
  395. Guus You can run, but you cannot hide.
  396. Guus Thanks for your help though 🙂
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  399. Guus success!
  400. Zash ÄNTLIGEN
  401. Guus Eindelijk!
  402. Ge0rG fhpprff!
  403. Guus https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke/pull/6
  404. Guus let's tackle that POST issue too...
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  428. Guus https://github.com/xmpp-observatory/xmppoke-frontend/pull/6
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  439. Guus I'm declaring absolute and total succes.
  440. Guus those who disagree shall receive git commit access.
  441. Zash \o/
  442. pep. o/
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  445. MattJ Yay!
  446. MattJ Thanks Guus
  447. pep. Guus, don't make it that simple to get git access
  448. Zash Let it be said that those who complains gets to fix it
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  451. Guus I wonder what this does for the load on that machine
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  453. pep. hmm, maybe we could also have added robots.txt
  454. pep. Thought POST is probably more effective
  455. Guus Feel free to PR
  456. pep. Though POST is probably more effective
  457. oli pep.: more effective in which way
  458. Zash Web robots aren't supposed to do POST requests
  459. Zash GET requests aren't supposed to have any effects
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  461. Guus Also, as you questioned my absolute and total success: tag, you're it.
  462. pep. oli, less likely that bots do POST indeed, even if they ignore robots.txt
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  464. Ge0rG Zash [12:16]: > Web robots aren't supposed to do POST requests Spam bots will POST every form they see with garbage.
  465. pep. I guess we'll see..
  466. pep. If I continue receiving alerts after that
  467. oli you can put a captcha...
  468. pep. please don't
  469. oli ;)
  470. oli GET is for getting stuff, POST for posting
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  473. jonas’ Ge0rG, sure, but that’s still better than having a standard search engine bot triggering insane amounts of xmpp.net tests because the submit action is a GET
  474. Guus Salvation is upon us!
  475. Zash At least with search engine bots it's unintentional
  476. Ge0rG jonas’: I fully agree
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  624. lovetox really self ping is in last call?
  625. lovetox bit short timeframe to give for clients to implement but ok
  626. Ge0rG lovetox: we have two implementations, and it's a godsend.
  627. jonas’ LC doesn’t need implementations
  628. jonas’ CFE needs implementations
  629. Ge0rG lovetox: if you aren't on the train yet, your own fault
  630. lovetox whats cfe?
  631. jonas’ lovetox, to Final
  632. jonas’ (as opposed as to Draft)
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  634. lovetox so thing that never happend since i joined xmpp and probably never will :D
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  637. pep. I joined the xmpp-observatory org on github, but maybe I shouldn't have. More work for me now. Guus was that related to my comment about robots.txt? :)
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  639. Guus pep.: That, and my promise. 😉
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  641. Guus > Also, as you questioned my absolute and total success: tag, you're it. (This)
  642. pep. hah
  643. pep. I'm more of a RIIR person. But then real life comes in the way and nothing gets done
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