XSF Discussion - 2019-01-22

Link Mauve: thx for notice, I'm fixed the pagination in dev, it's not just updated yet.

Link Mauve: Ge0rG: about xml:lang, here is the screenshot of the experimental feature, using automatic language detection: https://repos.goffi.org/sat_docs/raw-file/tip/screenshots/0.7/language_filtering.gif . It was an experiment, I plan to use locale or explictly declared language.

goffi: cool. Are those multiple messages or is it all in one with alternative bodies?

no they are multiple messages. But there is support for several in one boddy (in the backend, frontends now only show the first one).

I'm not sure if having more than one messages in the body is really useful, it could be for a bot maybe.

goffi: the reason for my question is, how to handle messages that contain multiple languages, and your preferred one isn't among them

Ge0rG: my plan (not done now because I have other priorities) is to select a default one based on preferences, maybe first one if none is right, and displaying the other ones if we click on the language tag.

goffi: that's an awesome plan

But as I've never seens several bodies in one <message> so far, it's really not in my short term list. But flagging the language is useful.

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I would like to see multi-language MUC were you can filter on desired language. For instance SàT room is multilingual (English and French mostly), it's useful to filter out one language if you don't speak it.

goffi: right. But how do you map that onto a good UX?

goffi: let's say I filter on French, but then you paste a stacktrace or article link in [en], which is flagged as [en], so it's hidden from me?!

Ge0rG: there is no UX now, it's only visible in the TUI frontend like in the screenshot, and you filter with a manual command. Just an experiment so far, but I think it's useful.

yes for now it would be hidden, there is room for improvment for sure.

I think copy/paste should be handled separately anyway, they should be marked as paste, and handled appropriately (folder for instance, highlighted, or with a way to comment, etc.)

I don't like the auto pastebin, which is a hack IMHO.

Ge0rG: don't hide, give a option to auto translate

autotranslate has many issues: first you're sending the message to a third party service, second quality is far from being always nice.

hiding messages, just because it is in another language seems awkward

oli: if you can't understand them ?

As I've said earlier, there is room for improvment anyway, the important thing is to be able to flag the language of a message.

“13:05:00 Ge0rG> goffi: the reason for my question is, how to handle messages that contain multiple languages, and your preferred one isn't among them”, in xmpp-parsers I did it like that: https://gitlab.com/xmpp-rs/xmpp-parsers/blob/master/src/message.rs#L111

goffi, you may also be interested ↑

karoshi, you’re blinking, fyi.

Link Mauve: thx

Link Mauve: thanks, seems to be a client bug

karoshi1, there, I gave back your nick. :)

thx 😃

Link Mauve: you are an evil h4x0r

Link Mauve: also you should be fixing poezio avatars.

are there in ASCII?

oli: http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/libcaca

the pain point is not the use of libcaca, but the fact that slixmpp is requesting a full vcard-with-picture for each incoming contact presence.

No it's not libcaca, it's tct

do you have a screenshot on avatar shown on Poezio?

goffi, https://linkmauve.fr/files/wayland-screenshot-2018-11-26_11-51-30.png

pep.: so it's actually even worse than libcaca?!

Ge0rG, worse in what way

Ge0rG, there is a better version if you enable half-block Unicode characters.

pep.: libcaca is using different characters to represent a finer spatial / color resolution.

Link Mauve: how do you enable them?

Ge0rG, /set image_use_half_blocks true.

It isn’t enabled by default because some ncurses versions (or terminals, not sure) don’t support that many colour variants.

oh wow, it _is_ better! Now I see poor daniel's face only being chopped up twice as less

Now if only ncurses added support for TrueColor.

I wouldn’t have to palettize it to only 256 default colours.

I'm not even showing avatars at all.

Link Mauve: did you fix the flood yet?

Ge0rG, you’d have a patch to test if I did.

awwww 😞

I’m busy with something else atm.

excuses!

Link Mauve: thx.

Wow, I can even recognize Tarkin now!