GuusSeve, this was your idea? https://trello.com/c/3TyQIUUq/335-post-an-unpaid-job-for-compliance-badges-at-osd
GuusI'm not sure if we actually need to discuss it.
GuusJust do it?
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GuusWe already agreed to find a designer to volunteer for this. Sadly, nyco's first choice fell through, but that should require us to re-discuss finding someone else.✎
Kev+not?
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Guus*facepalm*
ralphmHaha
ralphmAnd yes
GuusWe already agreed to find a designer to volunteer for this. Sadly, nyco's first choice fell through, but that should not require us to re-discuss finding someone else. ✏
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Guusis off to find more coffee.
GuusIt's odd that I often make errors with regard to negation (missing 'not'). That happens to me in writing as well as in code.
ralphmAnyway 3 is quorum
mtavaresGuus: don't use the not. :)
SeveGuus: that's because you are very positive!
mtavaresboolean algebra is always fun.. specially when dealing with one of those business if conditions for special cases with 10 or more clauses.
Guus> Guus: don't use the not. π
My kids would agree with you.
mtavaresGuus, don't your kids keep saying no to you too? 'cause mine sure does and he's only 2. I don't think it will improve with age.
GuusThem telling me 'no' has less impact for them than me telling them 'no' π
Guusbut you're right π
mtavares:) whish I wasn't.
GuusMy three year old the other day: "Mommy, I have a great idea and you cannot say no!"
Guusπ
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Guus(the 'great idea' was candy-related)
KevAs all great ideas are.
mtavareslol
mtavareshad to deal with a trantum yesterday because dinner was not candy. :/
Guushehe. You'll learn to get more creative with that over time. My sister got her kids to eat burritos by starting to refer to them as 'mexican pancakes'.
Ge0rGWe've been optimizing for the wrong use cases all along... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/hottest-chat-app-teens-google-docs/584857/
Ge0rGI've been passing diskettes with text files to my school mates back in 1996. History seems to repeat itself.
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SeveGuus, would it make sense to have another list in trello like 'To take action' or something? Like a to-do list, I wanted to add the unpaid job for the badges somewhere so I know I have to do it :D
ralphmSeve: like Commitment for week ahead?
ralphmAlthough there is an item on it for jonasβ, and has been for weeks now :-_
ralphm:-)
Severalphm, that's why I was not sure haha
SeveOk, will move it there, ralphm. Thanks
ralphmMaybe we should just rename it to 'Commitments'
SeveSounds good!
Andrew NenakhovOn that Google docs chat: too bad Wave died. I liked it a lot.
SeveMe too! Too bad I didn't have an excuse to use it, but I liked it so much.
ZashNice tombstone it got tho http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html
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Ge0rGhttps://killedbygoogle.com/ would be the better tombstone reference
ralphmAndrew Nenakhov: did you like the operational transforms or its XMPP interface?
ZashWho looked at the Wawe protocol other than me?
ralphmMe, around the Let's Federate this meeting at Google HQ, timed to coincide with OSCon and the XMPP Summit there.
ralphmGot the t-shirt. Were a bunch of there.
ralphmI was not impressed with the protocol.
ralphmBut it was really just one guy on that.
ZashIt's a pretty good argument for the actual wire protocol not mattering all that much for the end user experience.
Andrew Nenakhovralphm, I liked how it worked. We used it for great results while developing new specifications. Currently, for example, we use Google docs to work on our protocols, and comments there kinda lacking. Wave would be better.
But the downside is that to not get the wave cluttered you need a disciplined team who all agree to follow some guidelines, like not flood on topmost level of wave
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Andrew NenakhovDidn't really look at the protocol. I got an impression that it's modified XMPP and uses basic same stanza concept
ralphmSo based on XMPP PubSub, but weirdly. E.g. the notification events don't seem to have a node attribute.
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ZashYou could argue that the node is nil or the empty string...
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ZashPubSub event notificationts with receipts?
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ralphmThe only way to have no node attribute in notifications, is if you use the concept of Collections. Then this would come from the so-called root node.
ralphmHowever, that'd also require SHIM headers to be present.
ralphmSo that you know which actual leaf node the notification was for, and to disambiguate different types of payload. I.e. the same node cannot have items with payloads of which the main element have different namespaces.
ZashI think there once was a discussion about what it meant to have node="" vs no node attribute, although in the context of XEP 30.
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ralphmAnd then there's the weird request response semantics that they grafted onto this.
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ralphmZash: well, there should be no difference.
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fippocan someone check the standards@ moderation queue please? looking for a message from someone with implementation feedback about xep-0353 (-:
ralphmThat you has been sent? I did see your message earlier this week.
ralphmThat you know has been sent?
fipporalphm: no, someone from genesys. copied me on it so i got it but it didn't show up in the archives
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ralphmThat's the company that does customer-chat stuff, right?
fippocallcenters. lance was also cc'd
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ralphmIndeed haven't seen a message to that end. Kev? intosi?