XSF Discussion - 2019-03-21


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  202. MattJ

    .

  203. waqas

    :

  204. Guus

    hi

  205. MattJ

    Are we meeting today?

  206. Guus

    I assume so

  207. Guus

    ralphm nyco Seve ?

  208. MattJ

    I was concerned I hadn't received any messages since last night from the room, good to know everyone is just busy making XMPP better :)

  209. Guus

    I actually was! 🙂

  210. Ge0rG

    MattJ: wouldn't have happened with XEP-0410

  211. MattJ

    :)

  212. Guus

    We didn't receive any cancellations this week, did we?

  213. MattJ

    Not that I recall

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  216. Guus

    hmm, this is disappointing...

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  219. Guus prods Seve, nyco and ralphm

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  222. Seve

    Yes me is here

  223. Guus

    yey 🙂

  224. Guus

    let's get started then

  225. Guus

    Seve would you like to take the chair please?

  226. Seve

    Guus, next time :P

  227. Guus

    why not now?

  228. Seve

    So who do we have? Guus, MattJ, Seve?

  229. Guus

    sounds abou tit.

  230. Guus

    sounds about it.

  231. Seve

    We have... Two items for discussion.

  232. Seve

    1) Define strategy to reach out to (and reap benefits) high profile XMPP applications/users.

  233. Seve

    There are some quotes in the trello card https://trello.com/c/dGy6D0yl/334-define-strategy-to-reach-out-to-and-reap-benefits-high-profile-xmpp-applications-users

  234. Guus

    I think we've established that we want to do this, right?

  235. Guus

    it's just a matter of how to go about it?

  236. MattJ

    Yeah

  237. Guus

    good, that was my impression too.

  238. Ge0rG

    Seve: I've recently talked to somebody from Tigasee who's under heavy NDAs but _might_ ping the right people at XMPP-using orgs

  239. Seve

    I think this is the important bit from the quotes in that trello card

  240. Seve

    "I'd first like to see if we can come up with some kind of strategy that defines what exactly we want to ask/tell them, before doing actual reaching-out." - Guus

  241. Seve

    Ge0rG, that is very great news :) Will that person get in touch with the XSF?

  242. Guus

    yeah. I've got little to no experience there. Can we outline what we can offer?

  243. Guus

    and what we expect?

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  246. Seve is paying attention

  247. Guus

    my goals would be to a) associate, (very) publicly, XMPP with major players, b) get their input / involvement in protocol development, c) have sponsors.

  248. Seve

    Looks very good

  249. Guus

    More thoughts on what we'd like to achieve?

  250. Ge0rG

    (a) should also cover the why and how of their deployments

  251. Seve

    This is what I had in mind for this topic

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  253. Guus

    the 'how' might be NDA-d, but, sure.

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  255. Guus

    okay, I suggest we use these three as a base to start from

  256. Guus

    so, what can we offer?

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  261. MattJ

    Publicity? (in a small way)

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  263. MattJ

    Many of these large organisations do have developer advocacy roles though, who may want to be known within the community

  264. Guus

    I don't think Fortnite would benefit, publicity wise, from being associated with XMPP, tbh 🙂

  265. pep.

    Among a really small circle of users yes :-°

  266. Ge0rG

    developer advocacy is an interesting angle. Show how sexy your devops team is by... leveraging XMPP

  267. pep.

    Among another bigger circle of users it might actually be bad publicity for them, (because of the usual "ugh XML" etc. etc.)

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  269. Seve

    We tie featuring companies to sponsorship, so we have to think what can we offer for getting XMPP awareness without being a sponsor

  270. Ge0rG

    Seve: blog articles?

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  272. Guus

    I think we already offer that to sponsors

  273. Ge0rG

    if we offer something to non-sponsors that used to be unique to sponsors, this raises issues.

  274. Guus

    https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship.html

  275. Seve

    Ge0rG, like blog articles :D

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  277. Guus

    I do believe that these perks are less appealing nowadays, with XMPP having lost much of its 'hip and happening' vibe.

  278. Ge0rG

    Seve: blog posts are not _exclusive_, just the fact that you can buy some.

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  281. Guus

    would it be appealing to offer them help with protocols, in any way/shape or form?

  282. Guus

    we've got expertise there.

  283. Seve

    I had something in mind to try to get in touch with these large companies using XMPP, that is making a written interview that we could send to them. Appealing questions for both parties

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  285. Seve

    So they could express themselves, what do they use, why, what is their company about, so on.

  286. Seve

    I bet if we could get some interviews from them, we could use them as some marketing bump on our side as well

  287. MattJ

    Yeah, I think Winfried was possibly working on something along those lines

  288. Zash

    Can they be interested in making XMPP hip again?

  289. Guus

    sure, that's nice _for us_. I'm trying to identify things that'd benefit them.

  290. Seve

    I know Guus :)

  291. Guus

    Zash: to foster a larger development pool to hire from, maybe?

  292. Zash

    Guus: Yeah

  293. Zash

    Let me tell you about COBOL ON COGS ;)

  294. Guus

    well... if you need people that know how to do that, talking to the Cobol On Cogs standardization org is a pretty good start.

  295. Seve

    I don't know if the XSF has had previously a job board, but we could manage one maybe, featuring XMPP-related jobs, and we could feature them for those companies, maybe. First thing I had in mind

  296. Seve

    I would be fine taking care of it

  297. Guus

    Oh

  298. Guus

    I've to think about that

  299. Seve

    Depends on how usually they need to hire XMPP employees

  300. Guus

    if I like having that

  301. Guus

    but it's an interesting thought

  302. Seve

    I know it can be not interesting to some people, but I think it would be good for the community even

  303. Guus

    hiring people is _hard_ - us providing them wiht a platform for that might be a very nice incentive.

  304. Seve

    Exactly

  305. Seve

    I think we need some place to document ideas or possible approaches that we can take on this, though.

  306. Guus

    if we were to offer that, it might be good to have a pre-existing job board.

  307. Guus

    Seve: i'm wrigint them donw in the Trello card right now

  308. Seve

    Only thing I would like to consider is: Job has to be related to XMPP, not some technology has lying around. (In my current opinion)

  309. Seve

    they have*

  310. Guus

    which would be hard to verify, but sure.

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  312. Seve

    Well, we would neet to explain this :)

  313. MattJ

    A lot about it is hard to verify

  314. Guus

    do we as a standards organization want to create such a job board?

  315. Seve

    I do want it, with my member hat on, not board.

  316. Guus

    (should we have a job board, even out of context of the sponsoring context?)

  317. Seve

    Yes (again)

  318. Seve

    In my opinion, it would be good to gather XMPP related jobs

  319. Guus

    Seve, would you mind making this suggestion on the members list?

  320. Seve

    Just like there are jobs for a specific web framework: https://djangojobs.net/jobs/

  321. Guus

    I'd be very interested in getting feedback from others.

  322. Seve

    I agree Guus

  323. Seve

    I will make the suggestion and let's see what it comes out of it.

  324. Ge0rG

    +1 on having a Job Board, but not sure how much of an XMPP/XSF property it should be

  325. Guus

    I'm looking at the clock: maybe we should try to come to an actionable conclusion here, and take this up in the next meeting again?

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  327. MattJ

    Sounds good

  328. Seve

    Ok then

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  330. Guus

    I'd like to get some feedback on that job board idea - not perse in context of sponsoring.

  331. Guus

    can we make something else actionable?

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  333. Seve

    Doesn't look like it.

  334. Guus

    let's wrap this up

  335. Seve

    Yes

  336. Seve

    AOB

  337. Seve

    Let's meet same time next week?

  338. Guus

    next week is fine for me

  339. Seve

    Let's close then

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  341. Guus

    Thanks Seve

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  343. Seve bangs the gavel.

  344. Guus

    Seve, do you want me to put a 'poll membership' trello card?

  345. MattJ

    Thanks Seve :)

  346. moparisthebest

    my random thought is a job board would be great, but probably don't need to get too fancy initially, since I can't imagine it having very many jobs

  347. moparisthebest

    maybe just appoint a contact or email who modifies the page on github or something to start?

  348. Seve

    Guus, added :) Sorry guys for the not of the best structured meetings, I got work all of a sudden that couldn't avoid

  349. Guus

    (just created the Trello card)

  350. Guus

    (as did you)

  351. Guus

    woohoo two cards!

  352. Seve

    Guus, removing mine, yours looks better already :)

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  354. Guus

    moparisthebest yeah, that might be a good start.

  355. Guus

    we could add paid vs. non-paid categories, to at least get some jobs listed

  356. Guus

    (I'm betting pretty much any open source project would love to have more contributors)

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  358. Seve

    I will send an email later today and let's see!

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  360. Guus

    👍

  361. Ge0rG

    There was no response yet to the OSD job submission.

  362. Ge0rG

    The submission thing is supposed to open a PR on https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs but that didn't happen either

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  364. Guus

    Ge0rG maybe re-do the posting with the 'for nerds' method

  365. Guus

    ?

  366. Ge0rG

    Guus: roger

  367. Guus

    wait: https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs/pull/389

  368. Guus

    Ge0rG the PR was created after all

  369. MattJ notes their process for managing their jobs board... relevant :)

  370. Guus

    🙂

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  372. Ge0rG

    Guus: whoops. That's what I get for searchging in "issues" and not in "PRs"

  373. Guus

    I made the exact same mistake at first.

  374. Ge0rG

    Thanks for stopping me just in time. I already had the duplicate PR commit ready :>

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