XSF Discussion - 2019-03-21

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  202. MattJ .
  203. waqas :
  204. Guus hi
  205. MattJ Are we meeting today?
  206. Guus I assume so
  207. Guus ralphm nyco Seve ?
  208. MattJ I was concerned I hadn't received any messages since last night from the room, good to know everyone is just busy making XMPP better :)
  209. Guus I actually was! 🙂
  210. Ge0rG MattJ: wouldn't have happened with XEP-0410
  211. MattJ :)
  212. Guus We didn't receive any cancellations this week, did we?
  213. MattJ Not that I recall
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  216. Guus hmm, this is disappointing...
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  219. Guus prods Seve, nyco and ralphm
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  222. Seve Yes me is here
  223. Guus yey 🙂
  224. Guus let's get started then
  225. Guus Seve would you like to take the chair please?
  226. Seve Guus, next time :P
  227. Guus why not now?
  228. Seve So who do we have? Guus, MattJ, Seve?
  229. Guus sounds abou tit.
  230. Guus sounds about it.
  231. Seve We have... Two items for discussion.
  232. Seve 1) Define strategy to reach out to (and reap benefits) high profile XMPP applications/users.
  233. Seve There are some quotes in the trello card https://trello.com/c/dGy6D0yl/334-define-strategy-to-reach-out-to-and-reap-benefits-high-profile-xmpp-applications-users
  234. Guus I think we've established that we want to do this, right?
  235. Guus it's just a matter of how to go about it?
  236. MattJ Yeah
  237. Guus good, that was my impression too.
  238. Ge0rG Seve: I've recently talked to somebody from Tigasee who's under heavy NDAs but _might_ ping the right people at XMPP-using orgs
  239. Seve I think this is the important bit from the quotes in that trello card
  240. Seve "I'd first like to see if we can come up with some kind of strategy that defines what exactly we want to ask/tell them, before doing actual reaching-out." - Guus
  241. Seve Ge0rG, that is very great news :) Will that person get in touch with the XSF?
  242. Guus yeah. I've got little to no experience there. Can we outline what we can offer?
  243. Guus and what we expect?
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  246. Seve is paying attention
  247. Guus my goals would be to a) associate, (very) publicly, XMPP with major players, b) get their input / involvement in protocol development, c) have sponsors.
  248. Seve Looks very good
  249. Guus More thoughts on what we'd like to achieve?
  250. Ge0rG (a) should also cover the why and how of their deployments
  251. Seve This is what I had in mind for this topic
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  253. Guus the 'how' might be NDA-d, but, sure.
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  255. Guus okay, I suggest we use these three as a base to start from
  256. Guus so, what can we offer?
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  261. MattJ Publicity? (in a small way)
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  263. MattJ Many of these large organisations do have developer advocacy roles though, who may want to be known within the community
  264. Guus I don't think Fortnite would benefit, publicity wise, from being associated with XMPP, tbh 🙂
  265. pep. Among a really small circle of users yes :-°
  266. Ge0rG developer advocacy is an interesting angle. Show how sexy your devops team is by... leveraging XMPP
  267. pep. Among another bigger circle of users it might actually be bad publicity for them, (because of the usual "ugh XML" etc. etc.)
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  269. Seve We tie featuring companies to sponsorship, so we have to think what can we offer for getting XMPP awareness without being a sponsor
  270. Ge0rG Seve: blog articles?
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  272. Guus I think we already offer that to sponsors
  273. Ge0rG if we offer something to non-sponsors that used to be unique to sponsors, this raises issues.
  274. Guus https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship.html
  275. Seve Ge0rG, like blog articles :D
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  277. Guus I do believe that these perks are less appealing nowadays, with XMPP having lost much of its 'hip and happening' vibe.
  278. Ge0rG Seve: blog posts are not _exclusive_, just the fact that you can buy some.
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  281. Guus would it be appealing to offer them help with protocols, in any way/shape or form?
  282. Guus we've got expertise there.
  283. Seve I had something in mind to try to get in touch with these large companies using XMPP, that is making a written interview that we could send to them. Appealing questions for both parties
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  285. Seve So they could express themselves, what do they use, why, what is their company about, so on.
  286. Seve I bet if we could get some interviews from them, we could use them as some marketing bump on our side as well
  287. MattJ Yeah, I think Winfried was possibly working on something along those lines
  288. Zash Can they be interested in making XMPP hip again?
  289. Guus sure, that's nice _for us_. I'm trying to identify things that'd benefit them.
  290. Seve I know Guus :)
  291. Guus Zash: to foster a larger development pool to hire from, maybe?
  292. Zash Guus: Yeah
  293. Zash Let me tell you about COBOL ON COGS ;)
  294. Guus well... if you need people that know how to do that, talking to the Cobol On Cogs standardization org is a pretty good start.
  295. Seve I don't know if the XSF has had previously a job board, but we could manage one maybe, featuring XMPP-related jobs, and we could feature them for those companies, maybe. First thing I had in mind
  296. Seve I would be fine taking care of it
  297. Guus Oh
  298. Guus I've to think about that
  299. Seve Depends on how usually they need to hire XMPP employees
  300. Guus if I like having that
  301. Guus but it's an interesting thought
  302. Seve I know it can be not interesting to some people, but I think it would be good for the community even
  303. Guus hiring people is _hard_ - us providing them wiht a platform for that might be a very nice incentive.
  304. Seve Exactly
  305. Seve I think we need some place to document ideas or possible approaches that we can take on this, though.
  306. Guus if we were to offer that, it might be good to have a pre-existing job board.
  307. Guus Seve: i'm wrigint them donw in the Trello card right now
  308. Seve Only thing I would like to consider is: Job has to be related to XMPP, not some technology has lying around. (In my current opinion)
  309. Seve they have*
  310. Guus which would be hard to verify, but sure.
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  312. Seve Well, we would neet to explain this :)
  313. MattJ A lot about it is hard to verify
  314. Guus do we as a standards organization want to create such a job board?
  315. Seve I do want it, with my member hat on, not board.
  316. Guus (should we have a job board, even out of context of the sponsoring context?)
  317. Seve Yes (again)
  318. Seve In my opinion, it would be good to gather XMPP related jobs
  319. Guus Seve, would you mind making this suggestion on the members list?
  320. Seve Just like there are jobs for a specific web framework: https://djangojobs.net/jobs/
  321. Guus I'd be very interested in getting feedback from others.
  322. Seve I agree Guus
  323. Seve I will make the suggestion and let's see what it comes out of it.
  324. Ge0rG +1 on having a Job Board, but not sure how much of an XMPP/XSF property it should be
  325. Guus I'm looking at the clock: maybe we should try to come to an actionable conclusion here, and take this up in the next meeting again?
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  327. MattJ Sounds good
  328. Seve Ok then
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  330. Guus I'd like to get some feedback on that job board idea - not perse in context of sponsoring.
  331. Guus can we make something else actionable?
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  333. Seve Doesn't look like it.
  334. Guus let's wrap this up
  335. Seve Yes
  336. Seve AOB
  337. Seve Let's meet same time next week?
  338. Guus next week is fine for me
  339. Seve Let's close then
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  341. Guus Thanks Seve
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  343. Seve bangs the gavel.
  344. Guus Seve, do you want me to put a 'poll membership' trello card?
  345. MattJ Thanks Seve :)
  346. moparisthebest my random thought is a job board would be great, but probably don't need to get too fancy initially, since I can't imagine it having very many jobs
  347. moparisthebest maybe just appoint a contact or email who modifies the page on github or something to start?
  348. Seve Guus, added :) Sorry guys for the not of the best structured meetings, I got work all of a sudden that couldn't avoid
  349. Guus (just created the Trello card)
  350. Guus (as did you)
  351. Guus woohoo two cards!
  352. Seve Guus, removing mine, yours looks better already :)
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  354. Guus moparisthebest yeah, that might be a good start.
  355. Guus we could add paid vs. non-paid categories, to at least get some jobs listed
  356. Guus (I'm betting pretty much any open source project would love to have more contributors)
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  358. Seve I will send an email later today and let's see!
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  360. Guus 👍
  361. Ge0rG There was no response yet to the OSD job submission.
  362. Ge0rG The submission thing is supposed to open a PR on https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs but that didn't happen either
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  364. Guus Ge0rG maybe re-do the posting with the 'for nerds' method
  365. Guus ?
  366. Ge0rG Guus: roger
  367. Guus wait: https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs/pull/389
  368. Guus Ge0rG the PR was created after all
  369. MattJ notes their process for managing their jobs board... relevant :)
  370. Guus 🙂
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  372. Ge0rG Guus: whoops. That's what I get for searchging in "issues" and not in "PRs"
  373. Guus I made the exact same mistake at first.
  374. Ge0rG Thanks for stopping me just in time. I already had the duplicate PR commit ready :>
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