MattJI was concerned I hadn't received any messages since last night from the room, good to know everyone is just busy making XMPP better :)
GuusI actually was! 🙂
Ge0rGMattJ: wouldn't have happened with XEP-0410
MattJ:)
GuusWe didn't receive any cancellations this week, did we?
MattJNot that I recall
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Guushmm, this is disappointing...
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Guusprods Seve, nyco and ralphm
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SeveYes me is here
Guusyey 🙂
Guuslet's get started then
GuusSeve would you like to take the chair please?
SeveGuus, next time :P
Guuswhy not now?
SeveSo who do we have? Guus, MattJ, Seve?
Guussounds abou tit.
Guussounds about it.
SeveWe have... Two items for discussion.
Seve1) Define strategy to reach out to (and reap benefits) high profile XMPP applications/users.
SeveThere are some quotes in the trello card https://trello.com/c/dGy6D0yl/334-define-strategy-to-reach-out-to-and-reap-benefits-high-profile-xmpp-applications-users
GuusI think we've established that we want to do this, right?
Guusit's just a matter of how to go about it?
MattJYeah
Guusgood, that was my impression too.
Ge0rGSeve: I've recently talked to somebody from Tigasee who's under heavy NDAs but _might_ ping the right people at XMPP-using orgs
SeveI think this is the important bit from the quotes in that trello card
Seve"I'd first like to see if we can come up with some kind of strategy that defines what exactly we want to ask/tell them, before doing actual reaching-out." - Guus
SeveGe0rG, that is very great news :) Will that person get in touch with the XSF?
Guusyeah. I've got little to no experience there. Can we outline what we can offer?
Guusand what we expect?
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Seveis paying attention
Guusmy goals would be to a) associate, (very) publicly, XMPP with major players, b) get their input / involvement in protocol development, c) have sponsors.
SeveLooks very good
GuusMore thoughts on what we'd like to achieve?
Ge0rG(a) should also cover the why and how of their deployments
SeveThis is what I had in mind for this topic
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Guusthe 'how' might be NDA-d, but, sure.
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Guusokay, I suggest we use these three as a base to start from
Guusso, what can we offer?
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MattJPublicity? (in a small way)
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MattJMany of these large organisations do have developer advocacy roles though, who may want to be known within the community
GuusI don't think Fortnite would benefit, publicity wise, from being associated with XMPP, tbh 🙂
pep.Among a really small circle of users yes :-°
Ge0rGdeveloper advocacy is an interesting angle. Show how sexy your devops team is by... leveraging XMPP
pep.Among another bigger circle of users it might actually be bad publicity for them, (because of the usual "ugh XML" etc. etc.)
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SeveWe tie featuring companies to sponsorship, so we have to think what can we offer for getting XMPP awareness without being a sponsor
Ge0rGSeve: blog articles?
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GuusI think we already offer that to sponsors
Ge0rGif we offer something to non-sponsors that used to be unique to sponsors, this raises issues.
Guushttps://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship.html
SeveGe0rG, like blog articles :D
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GuusI do believe that these perks are less appealing nowadays, with XMPP having lost much of its 'hip and happening' vibe.
Ge0rGSeve: blog posts are not _exclusive_, just the fact that you can buy some.
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Guuswould it be appealing to offer them help with protocols, in any way/shape or form?
Guuswe've got expertise there.
SeveI had something in mind to try to get in touch with these large companies using XMPP, that is making a written interview that we could send to them.
Appealing questions for both parties
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SeveSo they could express themselves, what do they use, why, what is their company about, so on.
SeveI bet if we could get some interviews from them, we could use them as some marketing bump on our side as well
MattJYeah, I think Winfried was possibly working on something along those lines
ZashCan they be interested in making XMPP hip again?
Guussure, that's nice _for us_. I'm trying to identify things that'd benefit them.
SeveI know Guus :)
GuusZash: to foster a larger development pool to hire from, maybe?
ZashGuus: Yeah
ZashLet me tell you about COBOL ON COGS ;)
Guuswell... if you need people that know how to do that, talking to the Cobol On Cogs standardization org is a pretty good start.
SeveI don't know if the XSF has had previously a job board, but we could manage one maybe, featuring XMPP-related jobs, and we could feature them for those companies, maybe.
First thing I had in mind
SeveI would be fine taking care of it
GuusOh
GuusI've to think about that
SeveDepends on how usually they need to hire XMPP employees
Guusif I like having that
Guusbut it's an interesting thought
SeveI know it can be not interesting to some people, but I think it would be good for the community even
Guushiring people is _hard_ - us providing them wiht a platform for that might be a very nice incentive.
SeveExactly
SeveI think we need some place to document ideas or possible approaches that we can take on this, though.
Guusif we were to offer that, it might be good to have a pre-existing job board.
GuusSeve: i'm wrigint them donw in the Trello card right now
SeveOnly thing I would like to consider is: Job has to be related to XMPP, not some technology has lying around. (In my current opinion)
Sevethey have*
Guuswhich would be hard to verify, but sure.
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SeveWell, we would neet to explain this :)
MattJA lot about it is hard to verify
Guusdo we as a standards organization want to create such a job board?
SeveI do want it, with my member hat on, not board.
Guus(should we have a job board, even out of context of the sponsoring context?)
SeveYes (again)
SeveIn my opinion, it would be good to gather XMPP related jobs
GuusSeve, would you mind making this suggestion on the members list?
SeveJust like there are jobs for a specific web framework: https://djangojobs.net/jobs/
GuusI'd be very interested in getting feedback from others.
SeveI agree Guus
SeveI will make the suggestion and let's see what it comes out of it.
Ge0rG+1 on having a Job Board, but not sure how much of an XMPP/XSF property it should be
GuusI'm looking at the clock: maybe we should try to come to an actionable conclusion here, and take this up in the next meeting again?
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MattJSounds good
SeveOk then
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GuusI'd like to get some feedback on that job board idea - not perse in context of sponsoring.
Guuscan we make something else actionable?
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SeveDoesn't look like it.
Guuslet's wrap this up
SeveYes
SeveAOB
SeveLet's meet same time next week?
Guusnext week is fine for me
SeveLet's close then
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GuusThanks Seve
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Sevebangs the gavel.
GuusSeve, do you want me to put a 'poll membership' trello card?
MattJThanks Seve :)
moparisthebestmy random thought is a job board would be great, but probably don't need to get too fancy initially, since I can't imagine it having very many jobs
moparisthebestmaybe just appoint a contact or email who modifies the page on github or something to start?
SeveGuus, added :)
Sorry guys for the not of the best structured meetings, I got work all of a sudden that couldn't avoid
XSF Discussion - 2019-03-21