XSF Discussion - 2019-03-21

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hi

Are we meeting today?

I assume so

ralphm nyco Seve ?

I was concerned I hadn't received any messages since last night from the room, good to know everyone is just busy making XMPP better :)

I actually was! 🙂

MattJ: wouldn't have happened with XEP-0410

:)

We didn't receive any cancellations this week, did we?

Not that I recall

hmm, this is disappointing...

Yes me is here

yey 🙂

let's get started then

Seve would you like to take the chair please?

Guus, next time :P

why not now?

So who do we have? Guus, MattJ, Seve?

sounds abou tit.

sounds about it.

We have... Two items for discussion.

1) Define strategy to reach out to (and reap benefits) high profile XMPP applications/users.

There are some quotes in the trello card https://trello.com/c/dGy6D0yl/334-define-strategy-to-reach-out-to-and-reap-benefits-high-profile-xmpp-applications-users

I think we've established that we want to do this, right?

it's just a matter of how to go about it?

Yeah

good, that was my impression too.

Seve: I've recently talked to somebody from Tigasee who's under heavy NDAs but _might_ ping the right people at XMPP-using orgs

I think this is the important bit from the quotes in that trello card

"I'd first like to see if we can come up with some kind of strategy that defines what exactly we want to ask/tell them, before doing actual reaching-out." - Guus

Ge0rG, that is very great news :) Will that person get in touch with the XSF?

yeah. I've got little to no experience there. Can we outline what we can offer?

and what we expect?

my goals would be to a) associate, (very) publicly, XMPP with major players, b) get their input / involvement in protocol development, c) have sponsors.

Looks very good

More thoughts on what we'd like to achieve?

(a) should also cover the why and how of their deployments

This is what I had in mind for this topic

the 'how' might be NDA-d, but, sure.

okay, I suggest we use these three as a base to start from

so, what can we offer?

Publicity? (in a small way)

Many of these large organisations do have developer advocacy roles though, who may want to be known within the community

I don't think Fortnite would benefit, publicity wise, from being associated with XMPP, tbh 🙂

Among a really small circle of users yes :-°

developer advocacy is an interesting angle. Show how sexy your devops team is by... leveraging XMPP

Among another bigger circle of users it might actually be bad publicity for them, (because of the usual "ugh XML" etc. etc.)

We tie featuring companies to sponsorship, so we have to think what can we offer for getting XMPP awareness without being a sponsor

Seve: blog articles?

I think we already offer that to sponsors

if we offer something to non-sponsors that used to be unique to sponsors, this raises issues.

https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship.html

Ge0rG, like blog articles :D

I do believe that these perks are less appealing nowadays, with XMPP having lost much of its 'hip and happening' vibe.

Seve: blog posts are not _exclusive_, just the fact that you can buy some.

would it be appealing to offer them help with protocols, in any way/shape or form?

we've got expertise there.

I had something in mind to try to get in touch with these large companies using XMPP, that is making a written interview that we could send to them. Appealing questions for both parties

So they could express themselves, what do they use, why, what is their company about, so on.

I bet if we could get some interviews from them, we could use them as some marketing bump on our side as well

Yeah, I think Winfried was possibly working on something along those lines

Can they be interested in making XMPP hip again?

sure, that's nice _for us_. I'm trying to identify things that'd benefit them.

I know Guus :)

Zash: to foster a larger development pool to hire from, maybe?

Guus: Yeah

Let me tell you about COBOL ON COGS ;)

well... if you need people that know how to do that, talking to the Cobol On Cogs standardization org is a pretty good start.

I don't know if the XSF has had previously a job board, but we could manage one maybe, featuring XMPP-related jobs, and we could feature them for those companies, maybe. First thing I had in mind

I would be fine taking care of it

Oh

I've to think about that

Depends on how usually they need to hire XMPP employees

if I like having that

but it's an interesting thought

I know it can be not interesting to some people, but I think it would be good for the community even

hiring people is _hard_ - us providing them wiht a platform for that might be a very nice incentive.

Exactly

I think we need some place to document ideas or possible approaches that we can take on this, though.

if we were to offer that, it might be good to have a pre-existing job board.

Seve: i'm wrigint them donw in the Trello card right now

Only thing I would like to consider is: Job has to be related to XMPP, not some technology has lying around. (In my current opinion)

they have*

which would be hard to verify, but sure.

Well, we would neet to explain this :)

A lot about it is hard to verify

do we as a standards organization want to create such a job board?

I do want it, with my member hat on, not board.

(should we have a job board, even out of context of the sponsoring context?)

Yes (again)

In my opinion, it would be good to gather XMPP related jobs

Seve, would you mind making this suggestion on the members list?

Just like there are jobs for a specific web framework: https://djangojobs.net/jobs/

I'd be very interested in getting feedback from others.

I agree Guus

I will make the suggestion and let's see what it comes out of it.

+1 on having a Job Board, but not sure how much of an XMPP/XSF property it should be

I'm looking at the clock: maybe we should try to come to an actionable conclusion here, and take this up in the next meeting again?

Sounds good

Ok then

I'd like to get some feedback on that job board idea - not perse in context of sponsoring.

can we make something else actionable?

Doesn't look like it.

let's wrap this up

Yes

AOB

Let's meet same time next week?

next week is fine for me

Let's close then

Thanks Seve

Seve, do you want me to put a 'poll membership' trello card?

Thanks Seve :)

my random thought is a job board would be great, but probably don't need to get too fancy initially, since I can't imagine it having very many jobs

maybe just appoint a contact or email who modifies the page on github or something to start?

Guus, added :) Sorry guys for the not of the best structured meetings, I got work all of a sudden that couldn't avoid

(just created the Trello card)

(as did you)

woohoo two cards!

Guus, removing mine, yours looks better already :)

moparisthebest yeah, that might be a good start.

we could add paid vs. non-paid categories, to at least get some jobs listed

(I'm betting pretty much any open source project would love to have more contributors)

I will send an email later today and let's see!

👍

There was no response yet to the OSD job submission.

The submission thing is supposed to open a PR on https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs but that didn't happen either

Ge0rG maybe re-do the posting with the 'for nerds' method

?

Guus: roger

wait: https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs/pull/389

Ge0rG the PR was created after all

🙂

Guus: whoops. That's what I get for searchging in "issues" and not in "PRs"

I made the exact same mistake at first.

Thanks for stopping me just in time. I already had the duplicate PR commit ready :>