I was concerned I hadn't received any messages since last night from the room, good to know everyone is just busy making XMPP better :)
Guus
I actually was! 🙂
Ge0rG
MattJ: wouldn't have happened with XEP-0410
MattJ
:)
Guus
We didn't receive any cancellations this week, did we?
MattJ
Not that I recall
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Guus
hmm, this is disappointing...
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Guusprods Seve, nyco and ralphm
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Seve
Yes me is here
Guus
yey 🙂
Guus
let's get started then
Guus
Seve would you like to take the chair please?
Seve
Guus, next time :P
Guus
why not now?
Seve
So who do we have? Guus, MattJ, Seve?
Guus
sounds abou tit.
Guus
sounds about it.
Seve
We have... Two items for discussion.
Seve
1) Define strategy to reach out to (and reap benefits) high profile XMPP applications/users.
Seve
There are some quotes in the trello card https://trello.com/c/dGy6D0yl/334-define-strategy-to-reach-out-to-and-reap-benefits-high-profile-xmpp-applications-users
Guus
I think we've established that we want to do this, right?
Guus
it's just a matter of how to go about it?
MattJ
Yeah
Guus
good, that was my impression too.
Ge0rG
Seve: I've recently talked to somebody from Tigasee who's under heavy NDAs but _might_ ping the right people at XMPP-using orgs
Seve
I think this is the important bit from the quotes in that trello card
Seve
"I'd first like to see if we can come up with some kind of strategy that defines what exactly we want to ask/tell them, before doing actual reaching-out." - Guus
Seve
Ge0rG, that is very great news :) Will that person get in touch with the XSF?
Guus
yeah. I've got little to no experience there. Can we outline what we can offer?
Guus
and what we expect?
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Seveis paying attention
Guus
my goals would be to a) associate, (very) publicly, XMPP with major players, b) get their input / involvement in protocol development, c) have sponsors.
Seve
Looks very good
Guus
More thoughts on what we'd like to achieve?
Ge0rG
(a) should also cover the why and how of their deployments
Seve
This is what I had in mind for this topic
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Guus
the 'how' might be NDA-d, but, sure.
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Guus
okay, I suggest we use these three as a base to start from
Guus
so, what can we offer?
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MattJ
Publicity? (in a small way)
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MattJ
Many of these large organisations do have developer advocacy roles though, who may want to be known within the community
Guus
I don't think Fortnite would benefit, publicity wise, from being associated with XMPP, tbh 🙂
pep.
Among a really small circle of users yes :-°
Ge0rG
developer advocacy is an interesting angle. Show how sexy your devops team is by... leveraging XMPP
pep.
Among another bigger circle of users it might actually be bad publicity for them, (because of the usual "ugh XML" etc. etc.)
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Seve
We tie featuring companies to sponsorship, so we have to think what can we offer for getting XMPP awareness without being a sponsor
Ge0rG
Seve: blog articles?
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Guus
I think we already offer that to sponsors
Ge0rG
if we offer something to non-sponsors that used to be unique to sponsors, this raises issues.
Guus
https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship.html
Seve
Ge0rG, like blog articles :D
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Guus
I do believe that these perks are less appealing nowadays, with XMPP having lost much of its 'hip and happening' vibe.
Ge0rG
Seve: blog posts are not _exclusive_, just the fact that you can buy some.
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Guus
would it be appealing to offer them help with protocols, in any way/shape or form?
Guus
we've got expertise there.
Seve
I had something in mind to try to get in touch with these large companies using XMPP, that is making a written interview that we could send to them.
Appealing questions for both parties
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Seve
So they could express themselves, what do they use, why, what is their company about, so on.
Seve
I bet if we could get some interviews from them, we could use them as some marketing bump on our side as well
MattJ
Yeah, I think Winfried was possibly working on something along those lines
Zash
Can they be interested in making XMPP hip again?
Guus
sure, that's nice _for us_. I'm trying to identify things that'd benefit them.
Seve
I know Guus :)
Guus
Zash: to foster a larger development pool to hire from, maybe?
Zash
Guus: Yeah
Zash
Let me tell you about COBOL ON COGS ;)
Guus
well... if you need people that know how to do that, talking to the Cobol On Cogs standardization org is a pretty good start.
Seve
I don't know if the XSF has had previously a job board, but we could manage one maybe, featuring XMPP-related jobs, and we could feature them for those companies, maybe.
First thing I had in mind
Seve
I would be fine taking care of it
Guus
Oh
Guus
I've to think about that
Seve
Depends on how usually they need to hire XMPP employees
Guus
if I like having that
Guus
but it's an interesting thought
Seve
I know it can be not interesting to some people, but I think it would be good for the community even
Guus
hiring people is _hard_ - us providing them wiht a platform for that might be a very nice incentive.
Seve
Exactly
Seve
I think we need some place to document ideas or possible approaches that we can take on this, though.
Guus
if we were to offer that, it might be good to have a pre-existing job board.
Guus
Seve: i'm wrigint them donw in the Trello card right now
Seve
Only thing I would like to consider is: Job has to be related to XMPP, not some technology has lying around. (In my current opinion)
Seve
they have*
Guus
which would be hard to verify, but sure.
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Seve
Well, we would neet to explain this :)
MattJ
A lot about it is hard to verify
Guus
do we as a standards organization want to create such a job board?
Seve
I do want it, with my member hat on, not board.
Guus
(should we have a job board, even out of context of the sponsoring context?)
Seve
Yes (again)
Seve
In my opinion, it would be good to gather XMPP related jobs
Guus
Seve, would you mind making this suggestion on the members list?
Seve
Just like there are jobs for a specific web framework: https://djangojobs.net/jobs/
Guus
I'd be very interested in getting feedback from others.
Seve
I agree Guus
Seve
I will make the suggestion and let's see what it comes out of it.
Ge0rG
+1 on having a Job Board, but not sure how much of an XMPP/XSF property it should be
Guus
I'm looking at the clock: maybe we should try to come to an actionable conclusion here, and take this up in the next meeting again?
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MattJ
Sounds good
Seve
Ok then
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Guus
I'd like to get some feedback on that job board idea - not perse in context of sponsoring.
Guus
can we make something else actionable?
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Seve
Doesn't look like it.
Guus
let's wrap this up
Seve
Yes
Seve
AOB
Seve
Let's meet same time next week?
Guus
next week is fine for me
Seve
Let's close then
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Guus
Thanks Seve
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Sevebangs the gavel.
Guus
Seve, do you want me to put a 'poll membership' trello card?
MattJ
Thanks Seve :)
moparisthebest
my random thought is a job board would be great, but probably don't need to get too fancy initially, since I can't imagine it having very many jobs
moparisthebest
maybe just appoint a contact or email who modifies the page on github or something to start?
Seve
Guus, added :)
Sorry guys for the not of the best structured meetings, I got work all of a sudden that couldn't avoid