XSF Discussion - 2019-03-25

https://opensourcedesign.net/jobs/ - looks like paid jobs get priority review.

I did some experimenting over the weekend to implement emoji reactions using XEP-0367: Message Attaching with my browser extension XMPP client Pàdé (converse.js on steriods). My use case was for simple positive and negative reactions using the smiley and frown emojis. See https://github.com/igniterealtime/Pade/issues/139 for more details. The only issue I have is what to display in the message body for compatibility with clients that don't yet support the XEP. I currently display the emoji, but if the reaction comes much later out of context, it could be mis-understood. I am curious to know how other XMPP clients plan to handle this.

Dele Olajide: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/80

Dele Olajide: also please use 👍 and 👎 for +1 and -1

>Ge0rG: Dele Olajide: also please use 👍 and 👎 for +1 and -1 thanks 👍

Dele Olajide, how do you work with message archives for attaching?

I was extending converse.js ability to edit and correct archived messages

Like, archived on server as in XEP-0313?

Yes, but most importantly, XEP-0359 for unique message Ids

MattJ I'm having a look at 0367, to add the "reactions/emojis" feature in Movim

what is the prefered way to "remove" the reaction

on Slack you can simply reclick on it, but how could it look like in this case ?

I guess the same way you would remove any message in a conversation...

(no, I don't really have an answer)

an message correction with a blank body :p ?

Might work :)

Also relevant: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/message-retraction.html

yeah i though of that one as well

message re~tr~action

badam tsss

MattJ security wise you have to be really careful to check not only the ID but if the ID was published in the related configuration

i can get the message id of a message and publish an attached one in a totally different discussion

so for simple chat messages, the from of the attach should be part of the to or or from of a related parent

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/25/going-going-gone/

Finally! The first GDPR compliant messenger!

And then you send a message that somehow does hypnosis and makes your brain forget the conversations ever happened

can't wait for the <nuke id='SD24VCzSYQ' xmlns='urn:xmpp:message-nuking:0'/>

But which id will it match on?

To be on the safe side, match any

all the IDs

or all the messages?

everything

the admin receive a mail and put the SSD/HDD in the microwave

*MUST put

module:hook("nuke", os.execute("wipe /dev/sd*"))

:D

good thing my servers have vd*

With the stalled PR on OSD, I wonder if https://img.shields.io/endpoint.svg?url=https://op-co.de/tmp/cs2019.json is just good enough.

That looks pretty good

the logo contrast isn't good enough.

and I'd rather have a two-line tag with "XMPP" on its own line.

jonas’: I'd love to see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/773 merged in time for our next Agenda.

Was there no LC for 412 already? Is there going to be a LC-round2?

pep.: no, there's going to be a Council Vote.

I have the impression that much of this applies to XMPP, too: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/platforms/tbm

(this is an application for the debian project leader role)

I know what you mean. Though it doesn't seem as bad. I feel like we already recognized many issues and are addressing them as best we can

I also don't think XMPP is "boring" right now. I think it got that way for a few years, but there is a resurgence of interest and community activity

There are still many difficult problems to solve, and that's personally something I enjoy doing

I think the lack of person power with people being paid to actually concentrate on XSF work is valid, though.

Although obviously horrendously non-trivial to do anything about.

Do we need a fundamental change in how we do stuff? I don't think so. But we do need, I think, some people doing more work for the XSF.

Volunteer organization problems?

Addressable.

And worthy to be addressed

I'm under the impression that we don't currently have an active ED. (Re that being about a leader role)

You are right.

Peter stepped down, board decided to not appoint a replacement.

IIRC partly because it wasn't clear what the responsibilites of that role were, or they could be handled by the board, secretary just fine.

Pretty much

Nothing set in stone though

Also, appointing an ED isn't the only option we have.

Is it clear what we even want? And what we want it from (e.g., XSF vs community stuff)?

aside: I'd prefer to increase the overall productivity by increasing it a little in many people, instead of finding one person to work pretty much full-time.

waqas: all very debatable. But I suspect that a generic consensus can be found to at least increase productivity.

Also depends on how active a role the XSF itself should have

Guus: Productivity in what activity?

My take: produce and progress standards, promote the XMPP ecosystem.

I'm on mobile, which causes me to be more terse than desirable for this discussion.

> I'm under the impression that we don't currently have an active ED. (Re that being about a leader role) What would that fix though

> aside: I'd prefer to increase the overall productivity by increasing it a little in many people, instead of finding one person to work pretty much full-time. I completely agree on that, that has many benefits