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Ge0rG
Guus, Seve: https://opensourcedesign.net/jobs/jobs/2019-03-19-design-of-badges-for-different-xmpp-compliance-levels
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Seve
Ge0rG, goooood! I'll add it to the newsletter so we can help spread the word
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Ge0rG
I've also created a strawman set of badges at https://op-co.de/tmp/xmpp-compliance-badges/
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Ge0rG
jonas’: do you want me to bump the version number for s/412/410/ in 0412?
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jonas’
what?
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jonas’
-ENOCTX
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Ge0rG
jonas’: my last mail to standards regarding the typo in the 0412 changelog
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Kev
All XEP changes /should/ have a version bump, yes.
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Kev
Editorial level, obviously.
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jonas’
changes in the revision log are weird though
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Guus
Good job Ge0rG
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Guus
Although https://op-co.de/tmp/xmpp-compliance-badges/ gives me nothing but broken images
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Guus
https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/e788d7b8-1101-4142-8fb4-b6ca55e46647/hxxMFi9-Sjy3ylTXZZsCZA.jpg
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Seve
Same here
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Ge0rG
I'm sorry, it looks like my rsync job went wrong. Everything becomes very complicated if you are capped to 64kbit/s.
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Guus
64K should be enough for everyone, Ge0rG ...
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Ge0rG
I've regenerated the index, does https://op-co.de/tmp/xmpp-compliance-badges/ work and show six badges per line now?
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Seve
Yes Ge0rG
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Seve
Except one, Ge0rG
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Seve
Advanced IM 2016
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Ge0rG
jonas’: do I need to make a new changelog block as well then?
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Guus
Looks great, Ge0rG !
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Guus
My suggestion is to fade to grey, instead of red, over time.
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Ge0rG
Seve: thanks, fixing it now
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Guus
red implies 'broken'
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jonas’
Ge0rG, ...... maybe wait for the inevitable LC feedback
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MattJ
Hmm yeah, if you can keep the contrast right, I'd vote for grey as well
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Ge0rG
fixed advanced-im-2016.svg
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pep.
Guss, yeah I'd also prefer that. I don't mind another color, just not red
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Guus
pep. exactly. Not red. Could be something else than grey.
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jonas’
I wonder if it should be `[Logo] Client | Core/Advanced/... 2019` instead of `[Logo] Core Client | 2019`
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Guus
(although 'fade to black' does imply outdated stuff)
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Ge0rG
feel free to play around on your own. Generator URL is https://img.shields.io/endpoint.svg?url=https://op-co.de/tmp/cs2016.json&label=Advanced%20IM - clone the JSON <https://op-co.de/tmp/cs2016.json> to your own webspace, change the content
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jonas’
because the part of the suite which is implemented is kind of the "value" of the badge, not necessarily the key?
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Ge0rG
If you want to regenerate all badges, https://op-co.de/tmp/tags.sh and https://op-co.de/tmp/tags.txt
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Ge0rG
we also don't have categories for combinations in the CS
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Ge0rG
like Mobile IM
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Ge0rG
otherwise I'd love to link to the specific sections of 0412
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Ge0rG
it would be possible to mark them "XMPP Client: Advanced IM" or whatever :D
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Ge0rG
shades of grey would conflict with the grey background of the left pane
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jonas’
I think there’s precedent for using grey on the rhs of the badge
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MattJ
Light grey wouldn't?
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jonas’
a light gray I think
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Ge0rG
jonas’: there was an LC and it did generate feedback. I really don't want to have another round of "two weeks" in here re 0412
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MattJ
shields.io has a 'lightgrey' option
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MattJ
aliased to 'inactive'
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jonas’
Ge0rG, ah, I see
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jonas’
I can just fix the typo when I assign 1.0
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Ge0rG
I think that the size of the badge and the lack of the string "XMPP" is a larger issue than the color of the rhs
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Ge0rG
jonas’: that sounds like the most elegant solution. Feel free to use this commit: https://github.com/ge0rg/xeps/commit/ec31053591a7fdf98b54680450dbe1fba026d5da
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Ge0rG
before we bikeshed the color of the year, can we please bikeshed the color of the left pane? I want to have a cheap color for "Core" and a premium color for "Advanced" please.
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Ge0rG
or maybe advaced should have golden text?
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Seve
Ge0rG, all the categories, are just as a mockup thing, to see which ones get selected or your view on this is to use all those categories?
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Ge0rG
Seve: I've created all categories that are sensible in my eyes
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Ge0rG
e.g. "Mobile Web" doesn't make much sense
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theTedd
Compliance Suites Badges for All!
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theTedd
https://bitbucket.org/mrtedd/compliance-badges/src
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theTedd
coincidentally similar to Georg's, but different
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Ge0rG
I think IM+ is the brand name of some IM client/platform</bikeshed>
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Ge0rG
(the website is still loading)
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theTedd
Ge0rG, yes, I think so too -- it's just a shorthand instead of adding "advanced" everywhere; other suggetions welcome
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Ge0rG
Golden text color for Advanced?
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Ge0rG
theTedd: is your proposal as strawman as mine?
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theTedd
I'm open to design suggestions - I was going to fiddle with the colours later; the main part was generating them automatically
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Ge0rG
theTedd: I've made a very unprofessional attempt at splitting the text into two lines at https://op-co.de/tmp/core-client-2019.svg
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Ge0rG
Didn't look into the actual SVG generator for how flexible it is, this is manually "designed" in Inkscape
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theTedd
I saw, but it's a little squashed; I think badges should be short and simple
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Ge0rG
I very much like the "+" notion for shortening the text, except for the Trademark problem
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theTedd
* is an easy alternative
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Ge0rG
* has a very different meaning (where's the footnote?)
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Ge0rG
I don't see anything else with a positive connotation...
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MattJ
++
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Ge0rG
https://upload.yax.im/upload/vLVYbPWkMwCOs5bL/cat.png
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theTedd
I could add emoji characters :D
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Ge0rG
theTedd: are you reading my mind?
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theTedd
sorry, bad habit
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Ge0rG
`XMPP:2019 | Client🙈 Web🤢`
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theTedd
Client⁺
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theTedd
(superscript +)
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Ge0rG
Client➕
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wurstsalat
> `XMPP:2019 | Client🙈 Web🤢` :D
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Ge0rG
Almost looks like a grave tomb. Fits the general status of xmpp
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Guus
At some point, I'm driving over there to take your keyboard away from you.
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theTedd
♕ Client
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moparisthebest
https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right-now-1782557415 "you should ditch silo X for silo Y" no mention of XMPP :'(
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Ge0rG
> The app also leaks metadata “like a champion,” I'm sure XMPP can beat it on _that_ front.
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moparisthebest
what's signals counter, "we don't leak metadata, we just have it all ourselves" ?
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Ge0rG
moparisthebest: they are working really hard to avoid as much metadata as possible. at least they claim to do so
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moparisthebest
yea that's the problem "they claim" not verifiable at all
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moparisthebest
that article kind of smells like a facebook-funded hit piece hehe
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moparisthebest
"switch to a messenger approved by your facebook overlords"
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Ge0rG
I'm sure facebook doesn't even need to pay for this kind of marketing.
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Wiktor
w.r.t. Signal and privacy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18234849
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Zash
Didn't they use hardvare stuff to prove what server code they were running?
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pep.
You'd still need to make sure that you're running the correct client binary
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jonas’
luckily, reproducible builds are a solved problem /s
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MattJ
Zash, did they? Reference for that?
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MattJ
I can't imagine how you could possibly prove it
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Zash
I read it on the Internet.
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MattJ
:)
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jonas’
something about SGX
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jonas’
and remote attestation
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pep.
https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/ ?
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Zash
Indeed mentioned there
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Zash
But is that only used for the contact discovery?
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pep.
I haven't read the code, but that's what the HN thread above seems to show
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moparisthebest
oh well as long as they verified it's secure with a black-box intel extension that also can't be verified secure I guess it's secure?
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moparisthebest
o_O
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MattJ
Yup
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Wiktor
> But is that only used for the contact discovery? As far as I know it's not actually used. Just a proof of concept.
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jonas’
hey, it’s too early for another markup flamewar
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Seve
Noo, never enough!
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Zash
It was enough when the first person typed *something* on a type writer
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MattJ
Did the typewriter render it as bold or italic?
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moparisthebest
bold if you hit the keys hard enough, assuming mechanical
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Ge0rG
did you know that you can press backspace on the typewriter once for each letter and then re-type for bold markup?
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moparisthebest
I'm awaiting your XEP for that Ge0rG
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MattJ
I've been doing that on XMPP for years
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Ge0rG
XEP^H^H^HXEP! Look how bold I am!
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dwd
Ge0rG, Usually X^HXE^HEP^HP, but yeah. Doesn't [gn]roff still do that?
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Ge0rG
dwd: I'm sure you are going to get more boldness with my approach.
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Ge0rG
slightly related, I was just editing the badge SVG generated by mrtedd in the browser's inspector.