XSF Discussion - 2019-04-03

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html -> Added XEP-0313 and XEP-0412 to 'Advanced Group Chat' There is a problem no? 0410 no?

Neustradamus, yes, that will be fixed when I touch the XEP the next time

Ok!

making a build just to fix a trivial typo which was already announced on the ML seemed a bit overkill to me :)

Oh, for a brief moment I thought that all votes were in an the XEP got promoted.

Ge0rG, All the vote *are* in.

Yay!

next time they show up, can someone who has privileges in this (xsf@) room simply join offtopic@ and invite fire?

in the hope that their client picks up on the invite and they can join

or, someone who speaks russian explain it to them

jonas’: ОКей =)

There is also the yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im MUC which contains some Hardcore English Refuseniks.

Wow, 0412 was a close call. 3x +1, 1x +0, 1x -0

But jonas’ or another volunteer editor (ha-ha-ha) can push The Button now.

Ge0rG, I have a quick question regarding your 0412 changes (we can call it editorial)

- isn't the addition of 0313 (MAM) to 'Advanced Group Chat' redundant when it's already present in 'History Storage/Retrieval' (both require it only for Advanced Server and Client, so it' effectively the same)

the only reason seems to be to include the [33] note, which could be put on the latter and simply say history should be supported for both MUC archive and a User's account

theTedd, I think it’s good to have it in both sections for discoverability

but if someone aims for "Advanced IM" then they're going to implement it anyway

theTedd: my rationale was that you need it both on your account and on a MUC service to work properly and everywhere

sure, so why not just add the note to 'History Storage/Retrieval' to indicate it should support both?

My feeling was that it's more explicit this way

And that it doesn't hurt to have

okay

why is theTedd only appearing for short periods and then vanishing again?

to maintain an air of mystery?

theTedd: with this behavior, you are only fueling the rumors about you being an alter ego of somebody deep inside the XSF.

theTedd: anyway, I wanted to talk to you about the badges. I like the dynamic generator approach, and wondered if we can/should increase the size of the badges.

Also I don't remember any more which emoji we decided to use instead of the '+'

we can adjust anything in the svg template, though I think 'badges' have a de facto size at this point

I don't think we found anything acceptable; I'm also not sure it should be an issue as long as we're not trying to pass it off as a product name

Maybe it's my 1080p 5" screen, but I consider the default badge size to be unreadable

it can only have originated from ignorant silicon valley brogrammers.

well, anything above 8pt is obviously far too big

theTedd: how did you generate the template?

was it based on the svg that I got from badges.io, or did you embed your own copy of the XMPP logo?

I stole it from the badges shields'io generates

at least I want it to be in dp

ot whatever metric is "density-independet pseudopixels or points" in CSS

and SVG

'rem' should be used where possible

I also embedeed a base64 version of the logo

what's wrong with 'em' when embedding them into text?

theTedd: your logo is image/png, isn't it?

it's png, yes

Hm. messages to this MUC appear to have some seconds of delay, but pings get through immediately.

that might be a problem when scaling up

and I suppose there is no way to say "width of string X plus 20 em"

it can easily be changed to svg, but it's not worth it as small sizes

Hm. I think I don't actually want to learn that much about the inner working of SVG.

that may be wise

I need to stop before I remember that you can include CSS and JavaScript and all the bottomless pits of webtech.

Oh. Damn,

you can animate svgs

I had a passing idea for scrolling the suite's categories in the badge

then decided it's bad UI

theTedd: that's an awesome thing. But only let it run on 04/01

.

unrelated

there was this SVG file with the corporate design of the XSF

with the colour codes and stuff for the primary colours of the XSF / XMPP logo design

there is a corporate design?

does anyone know where that file is?

cc @ Ge0rG

cc @ Guus

I think it bubbled up when the logo fixup was discussed a year ago or so

I need the colour codes for things

For "Things"?

things

unspecified

I don’t know if there will be results so I don’t want to get everyone crazy about it

theTedd, Also, +1 for MARQUEE badges. Retro-style.

jonas’, See, now I'm excited.

I wouldn’t have said a thing if I didn’t need that file ;)

all colour references from the logo svg: #002B5C #002B5C #13B5EA #13B5EA #1B3967 #1B3967 #439639 #A0CE67 #D9541E #E96D1F

theTedd, thanks; I could’ve done that myself, but I specifically remember there to exist a file which listed the base colours upon which the logo was designed

and I’d like to have that file to get it right :)

it’s not urgent either, I can use a placeholder :)

blue and orange :D

essentially, yes

http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html

they're the colours of calm and ACTION

CTCP ACTION?

amazingly, no

unofficial corporate palette: https://i.imgur.com/PKCwWWN.png

jonas’: the logo on the website top left corner is a SVG

Does that help?

that's where I got these colours from

Guus, no

I’m looking for the specific document

jonas’: unsure, unable to dig into it now

it’s not urgent ✏

Try ralphm

There's an SVG in our repo I think.

I'm looking up the one I have (switched machines and need to sort out the mess)

http://mag.ik.nu/~ralphm/xmpp.svg

And for what it is worth, orange is the awesomest color. Not even because our Royal Family is indirectly named after it.

Orange is the new Teal.

may I kindly point you at my email to members@: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2019-April/008958.html TL;DR: I’m re-doing the XEP CSS and want feedback on it. Example: https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0030.html

jonas’, "Removed legacy stuff and replaced it with modern stuff" what does that mean

pep., <span class='em'> -> <em> for example

k

<a name='foo'> -> id='foo' on whatever element this was about

and that type of stuff

did you realize that the ToC was actually a <br/>-separated list of links, indented using nbsp, before? :(

:(

afk for tonight

Looks good on first sight, not enough margins on mobile though.

that's awful jonas’ , it should be a <table> right?

>:)

moparisthebest, don’t joke about tables

Wiktor, indeed, I haven’t looked at it with an actual mobile yet

https://cerdale.zash.se/upload/Kvef4RrFUulHjxMC/Sk%c3%a4rmbild_20190403_001.png

Tiny bit more margins wouldn't have hurt