XSF Discussion - 2019-04-03

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  21. Neustradamus

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html -> Added XEP-0313 and XEP-0412 to 'Advanced Group Chat' There is a problem no? 0410 no?

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  70. jonas’

    Neustradamus, yes, that will be fixed when I touch the XEP the next time

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  72. jonas’

    making a build just to fix a trivial typo which was already announced on the ML seemed a bit overkill to me :)

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  81. Ge0rG

    Oh, for a brief moment I thought that all votes were in an the XEP got promoted.

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  92. dwd

    Ge0rG, All the vote *are* in.

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  96. Ge0rG


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  98. jonas’

    next time they show up, can someone who has privileges in this (xsf@) room simply join offtopic@ and invite fire?

  99. jonas’

    in the hope that their client picks up on the invite and they can join

  100. jonas’

    or, someone who speaks russian explain it to them

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  102. rion

    jonas’: ОКей =)

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  108. Ge0rG

    There is also the yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im MUC which contains some Hardcore English Refuseniks.

  109. Ge0rG

    Wow, 0412 was a close call. 3x +1, 1x +0, 1x -0

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  111. Ge0rG

    But jonas’ or another volunteer editor (ha-ha-ha) can push The Button now.

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  174. theTedd

    Ge0rG, I have a quick question regarding your 0412 changes (we can call it editorial)

  175. theTedd

    - isn't the addition of 0313 (MAM) to 'Advanced Group Chat' redundant when it's already present in 'History Storage/Retrieval' (both require it only for Advanced Server and Client, so it' effectively the same)

  176. theTedd

    the only reason seems to be to include the [33] note, which could be put on the latter and simply say history should be supported for both MUC archive and a User's account

  177. jonas’

    theTedd, I think it’s good to have it in both sections for discoverability

  178. theTedd

    but if someone aims for "Advanced IM" then they're going to implement it anyway

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  188. Ge0rG

    theTedd: my rationale was that you need it both on your account and on a MUC service to work properly and everywhere

  189. theTedd

    sure, so why not just add the note to 'History Storage/Retrieval' to indicate it should support both?

  190. Ge0rG

    My feeling was that it's more explicit this way

  191. Ge0rG

    And that it doesn't hurt to have

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  225. Ge0rG

    why is theTedd only appearing for short periods and then vanishing again?

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  229. theTedd

    to maintain an air of mystery?

  230. Ge0rG

    theTedd: with this behavior, you are only fueling the rumors about you being an alter ego of somebody deep inside the XSF.

  231. Ge0rG

    theTedd: anyway, I wanted to talk to you about the badges. I like the dynamic generator approach, and wondered if we can/should increase the size of the badges.

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  233. Ge0rG

    Also I don't remember any more which emoji we decided to use instead of the '+'

  234. theTedd

    we can adjust anything in the svg template, though I think 'badges' have a de facto size at this point

  235. theTedd

    I don't think we found anything acceptable; I'm also not sure it should be an issue as long as we're not trying to pass it off as a product name

  236. Ge0rG

    Maybe it's my 1080p 5" screen, but I consider the default badge size to be unreadable

  237. Ge0rG

    it can only have originated from ignorant silicon valley brogrammers.

  238. theTedd

    well, anything above 8pt is obviously far too big

  239. Ge0rG

    theTedd: how did you generate the template?

  240. Ge0rG

    was it based on the svg that I got from badges.io, or did you embed your own copy of the XMPP logo?

  241. theTedd

    I stole it from the badges shields'io generates

  242. Ge0rG

    at least I want it to be in dp

  243. Ge0rG

    ot whatever metric is "density-independet pseudopixels or points" in CSS

  244. Ge0rG

    and SVG

  245. theTedd

    'rem' should be used where possible

  246. theTedd

    I also embedeed a base64 version of the logo

  247. Ge0rG

    what's wrong with 'em' when embedding them into text?

  248. Ge0rG

    theTedd: your logo is image/png, isn't it?

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  250. theTedd

    it's png, yes

  251. Ge0rG

    Hm. messages to this MUC appear to have some seconds of delay, but pings get through immediately.

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  253. Ge0rG

    that might be a problem when scaling up

  254. Ge0rG

    and I suppose there is no way to say "width of string X plus 20 em"

  255. theTedd

    it can easily be changed to svg, but it's not worth it as small sizes

  256. Ge0rG

    Hm. I think I don't actually want to learn that much about the inner working of SVG.

  257. theTedd

    that may be wise

  258. Ge0rG

    I need to stop before I remember that you can include CSS and JavaScript and all the bottomless pits of webtech.

  259. Ge0rG

    Oh. Damn,

  260. theTedd

    you can animate svgs

  261. theTedd

    I had a passing idea for scrolling the suite's categories in the badge

  262. theTedd

    then decided it's bad UI

  263. Ge0rG

    theTedd: that's an awesome thing. But only let it run on 04/01

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  266. jonas’

    there was this SVG file with the corporate design of the XSF

  267. jonas’

    with the colour codes and stuff for the primary colours of the XSF / XMPP logo design

  268. Ge0rG

    there is a corporate design?

  269. jonas’

    does anyone know where that file is?

  270. jonas’

    cc @ Ge0rG

  271. jonas’

    cc @ Guus

  272. jonas’

    I think it bubbled up when the logo fixup was discussed a year ago or so

  273. jonas’

    I need the colour codes for things

  274. dwd

    For "Things"?

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  277. jonas’

    I don’t know if there will be results so I don’t want to get everyone crazy about it

  278. dwd

    theTedd, Also, +1 for MARQUEE badges. Retro-style.

  279. dwd

    jonas’, See, now I'm excited.

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  281. jonas’

    I wouldn’t have said a thing if I didn’t need that file ;)

  282. theTedd

    all colour references from the logo svg: #002B5C #002B5C #13B5EA #13B5EA #1B3967 #1B3967 #439639 #A0CE67 #D9541E #E96D1F

  283. jonas’

    theTedd, thanks; I could’ve done that myself, but I specifically remember there to exist a file which listed the base colours upon which the logo was designed

  284. jonas’

    and I’d like to have that file to get it right :)

  285. jonas’

    it’s not urgent either, I can use a placeholder :)

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  287. theTedd

    blue and orange :D

  288. jonas’

    essentially, yes

  289. Zash looks at prosody.svg

  290. Ge0rG


  291. theTedd

    they're the colours of calm and ACTION

  292. Ge0rG


  293. theTedd

    amazingly, no

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  299. theTedd

    unofficial corporate palette: https://i.imgur.com/PKCwWWN.png

  300. Guus

    jonas’: the logo on the website top left corner is a SVG

  301. Guus

    Does that help?

  302. theTedd

    that's where I got these colours from

  303. jonas’

    Guus, no

  304. jonas’

    I’m looking for the specific document

  305. Guus

    jonas’: unsure, unable to dig into it now

  306. jonas’

    it’s not urgend

  307. jonas’

    it’s not urgent

  308. Guus

    Try ralphm

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  312. ralphm

    There's an SVG in our repo I think.

  313. ralphm

    I'm looking up the one I have (switched machines and need to sort out the mess)

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  316. ralphm

    And for what it is worth, orange is the awesomest color. Not even because our Royal Family is indirectly named after it.

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  351. Ge0rG

    Orange is the new Teal.

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  366. jonas’

    may I kindly point you at my email to members@: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2019-April/008958.html TL;DR: I’m re-doing the XEP CSS and want feedback on it. Example: https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0030.html

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  369. pep.

    jonas’, "Removed legacy stuff and replaced it with modern stuff" what does that mean

  370. jonas’

    pep., <span class='em'> -> <em> for example

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  372. jonas’

    <a name='foo'> -> id='foo' on whatever element this was about

  373. jonas’

    and that type of stuff

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  375. jonas’

    did you realize that the ToC was actually a <br/>-separated list of links, indented using nbsp, before? :(

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  378. jonas’

    afk for tonight

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  394. Wiktor

    Looks good on first sight, not enough margins on mobile though.

  395. moparisthebest

    that's awful jonas’ , it should be a <table> right?

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  427. jonas’

    moparisthebest, don’t joke about tables

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  430. jonas’

    Wiktor, indeed, I haven’t looked at it with an actual mobile yet

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  435. Zash

    Tiny bit more margins wouldn't have hurt

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