XSF Discussion - 2019-04-04

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  103. ralphm

    Grids FTW

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  164. nyco

    aaaaand boom!

  165. Seve


  166. nyco


  167. Guus


  168. nyco


  169. Guus

    ralphm MattJ ?

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  171. Guus

    bangs it?

  172. nyco

    oh hey

  173. Guus

    what does one do to gavels?

  174. nyco


  175. nyco

    caress maybe

  176. Guus

    1. Roll call, agenda

  177. Guus

    we've established that there's three of us here

  178. Guus

    Agenda driven by Trello, as usual

  179. Guus

    does anyone want to discuss anything that's not already in Trello?

  180. nyco


  181. Guus

    I suggest holding of much of the discussion around sponsoring until we have a full board.

  182. Ge0rG

    A Tedd has created badges.

  183. MattJ


  184. Guus

    Ge0rG is that to be discussed?

  185. Guus

    hey Matt!

  186. Guus

    Ge0rG is that to be discussed by board?

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  190. Guus

    2. Confirm minute taker / have an awkward moment of silence

  191. Seve


  192. Guus

    Would someone be so kind as to do the minutes?

  193. Ge0rG

    Guus: I'm not sure. Board called out for volunteers, and we have two strawman badge proposals plus a yet unanswered jobs call

  194. Seve

    Where are the proposals?

  195. Guus

    3. Badges everywhere

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  198. Ge0rG

    Seve: mine is under https://op-co.de/tmp/xmpp-compliance-badges/ - theTedd made one at https://bitbucket.org/mrtedd/compliance-badges/src

  199. Seve

    I thought you were working together, so they are different proposals then? Are those finished?

  200. nyco

    both are cool, well done, thx

  201. Ge0rG

    Seve: Tedd's proposal is an interactive generator, mine is a shell script that hammers badges.io

  202. Ge0rG

    neither is quite there yet

  203. Guus

    Thanks to both of you for putting in the effort.

  204. Guus

    I'm unsure who rubber-stamps a particular set.

  205. Guus

    board? council? the XEP author?

  206. MattJ

    Since we decided the XSF should have ownership, I would assume it's up to the board to ultimately decide

  207. Kev

    Unless Board delegates.

  208. MattJ

    Not that I'm particularly fussy

  209. Ge0rG

    I'm open for feedback and discussion as well

  210. Guus

    so, board. works for me.

  211. Guus

    I'm not sure if I can make an objective choice, though. I'd love for member feedback / cooperation

  212. Seve

    Ge0rG, if I have to decide, I would prefer to wait a bit until both are done to be able to decide. Although I also would like to give some time for the job as well (I'm very happy both of you put work on this, but I would also leave the door open for the open source design community, since the job was posted after)

  213. Ge0rG

    there is also another strawman badge at https://op-co.de/tmp/core-client-2019.svg

  214. Guus

    Ge0rG, were you and Tedd's work in reaction of each-other, somehow?

  215. moparisthebest

    hmm can't read that font at all

  216. Guus

    (why do we have two sets? Is one supposed to address something found in the other?)

  217. Ge0rG

    Guus: I don't think so.

  218. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: yes, the badges.io format is using 14px as baseline height, for $reasons

  219. moparisthebest

    wonder if each "class" like "Core Mobile IM Client" should just have a short-hand version?

  220. Guus

    let's not have that discussion now

  221. moparisthebest

    well I can read XMPP just fine, just not the other bit

  222. Guus

    Can we a) finish both versions, b) put a choice to the members?

  223. Ge0rG

    Guus: not if we want to await a proper designer to do the job

  224. Guus

    What if we wait for another week, for a designer to pop up based on that jobposting that you did

  225. Ge0rG


  226. Guus

    then put this to members: version a, version b, or neither and find another designer

  227. Guus

    fwiw, I'm happy with both proposals

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  229. Guus

    board: is the above acceptable to you?

  230. MattJ


  231. Guus

    nyco, seve?

  232. nyco


  233. Seve

    Just thinking

  234. Ge0rG

    regarding refinement of the existing ones, I'd like to hear opinions on the exact strings to use, maybe after Meeting?

  235. nyco

    I agree we should make the community participate

  236. Guus

    yes, kindly take that out of the meeting, Ge0rG

  237. Guus

    Seve - you were thinking?

  238. Seve

    Let's move forward, I just feel the badges can be "too much". Ge0rG's proposal, I wonder if that is the final verison, or the badge number is going to be lowered.

  239. Seve

    I would like to simplify it a bit

  240. Seve

    but let's wait for a week

  241. Seve

    and then choose between what we have

  242. Guus


  243. Guus

    4. commitments

  244. Guus

    4.1 Clarify what happens when a typo (or equivalent) is fixed in a Deferred XEP

  245. Guus

    This is basically a placeholder for jonas’ I think

  246. MattJ


  247. Guus

    (giving him time to point out that it's already done in case I missed it)

  248. Ge0rG

    IIRC the suggestion was for Editor to make the change without undeferring the XEP

  249. MattJ

    Yeah, I think jonas’ offered to wordsmith some text for XEP-0001 iirc

  250. Guus

    we agreed with wording, it's a matter of applying the change to the XEP. Unsure if this needs to be on our agenda any longer, but its a good place to track that we don't forget about it.

  251. Guus

    lets move on

  252. Guus

    4.2 Discuss server setup with iteam

  253. Guus

    as Ralph is not here, I don't think we have anything to discuss regarding this.

  254. Guus

    4.3 Tigase would like to use the XMPP logo

  255. Kev

    I thought XEP1 already said that a change to z in x.y.z wasn't a change to undefer.

  256. Kev

    (But you've moved on)

  257. Guus

    Ralph left a message saying that he asked Peter. No updates on that yet.

  258. jonas’

    Guus, I don’t think we agreed with wording, at least not to my knowledge.

  259. Guus

    Nyco, did you let Tigase know that they could use the XMPP logo, and that we'll update them under what exact conditions, as we agreed last week?

  260. jonas’

    (board meetings are typically during my commute home, sorry for the delay)

  261. Kev

    Isn't the logo CC, same as the rest of the website anyway?

  262. Guus

    jonas’ no worries. This remark is on the Trello card: "In today's board meeting, Board agrees wiath Jonas' suggested change, and ask the Editor to draft a proposal for the change in XEP-0001."

  263. Guus

    Kev that's what the general assumption is, but no-one is sure.

  264. nyco

    Guus yes

  265. Guus

    Last week, we discussed that it's fine for Tigase to use the logo (and we'd let them know), but that at the same time we should figure out exactly what the licensing model was.

  266. Guus

    thanks nyco

  267. Guus

    jonas’ are you happy for us to leave the XEP-0001 clarification with you?

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  269. jonas’

    Guus, more or less

  270. jonas’

    I’ll see that I get to it, for real, during the next week

  271. Guus


  272. Guus

    5. Poll membership for feedback on the creation of an XMPP-related job board

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  274. Guus

    I think we've had all feedback that we're going to get, unless we re-ask.

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  276. Guus

    All that I have seen was moderately positive towards having such a job board in one way or another

  277. MattJ

    and it was all positive iirc

  278. Guus

    have you had more feedback, Seve ?

  279. Seve

    We got some feedback, all positive, so that depends if we want to try to push this again and ask for more feedback or we are all good with what he have.

  280. Guus

    I suggest that we follow up with a more concrete proposal

  281. Seve


  282. Ge0rG

    have a dedicated page on the website, and a PR process to add jobs there?

  283. Guus

    Would you be willing to establish such a proposal, Seve ?

  284. Ge0rG

    a clean template with data similar to clients.json, sorted alphabetically by company name

  285. Seve

    Guus, yes sure. I'm not a fan of PR, I would like to see if we can find another way for that, before sticking to PR.

  286. Seve

    I would like more people submit jobs, not technical people

  287. Seve

    not only*

  288. Guus

    Ok, let's take that out of this meeting too 🙂

  289. Seve


  290. Guus

    6. AOB?

  291. Guus

    (I have no)

  292. Seve

    Not from me

  293. nyco

    I'm good

  294. MattJ

    None here

  295. Guus

    7. Date of next meeting

  296. Guus

    +1W, unless someone strongly objects.

  297. nyco

    +1, I strongly agree

  298. Seve


  299. Guus

    8. bow and applause.

  300. Seve claps

  301. Guus makes a gavel noise

  302. MattJ


  303. Guus

    Thanks guys!

  304. Seve

    Cool, thank you all!

  305. nyco


  306. Ge0rG


  307. Ge0rG

    So now back to the badge wording.

  308. Ge0rG

    I'd like to have the covered suite in the left and the year in the right, but then there is no "XMPP"

  309. Ge0rG

    Tedd has "XMPP:2019" in the left and the specific suite combo in the right, which also has some merit

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  311. Guus

    Ge0rG I don't think having 'xmpp' in there is a must, as the context in which the badge is used probably implies the reference anyways

  312. Guus

    I have nothing against including 'xmpp' either, though.

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  314. Guus

    I have a personal, subjective preference, but that's not based on anything more than what I find visually appealing.

  315. Ge0rG

    I want to hear that

  316. Guus

    I'd be happy with both

  317. Guus

    I personally dislike the "+" character that Tedd included.

  318. Guus

    I like yours slightly more

  319. Zash

    XMPP Plus

  320. Ge0rG

    I'd prefer a different character because of "IM+" already being a thing.

  321. Ge0rG

    mine is lacking the flexibility of core-IM combined with advanced-mobile

  322. Guus

    so, have two badges?

  323. Ge0rG

    but maybe we only need the "advanced" prefix if all of the advanced things match

  324. Guus

    I'm not sure if me discussing this more would have any benefit, to be honest.

  325. Ge0rG

    Guus: if we are going to combine badges, we can significantly reduce the badge number

  326. Guus

    I'd put this to the people that are intended to use the badges.

  327. Guus

    as I said, I'd be happy to use either set.

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  354. jonas’

    I included some feedback on the new CSS from here and the list as well as implemented a feature I wanted to have myself: https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0390.html

  355. Zash


  356. jonas’

    ((hopefully) fixed contrast of link font, added margins on small screens, and a megafancy toc thing on large screens)

  357. Zash

    Very nice

  358. Guus


  359. jonas’

    yeah, the revision list is known-bad

  360. Guus


  361. Guus

    margin on mobile is now ok!

  362. jonas’

    thanks for testing! :)

  363. jonas’

    I’ll now go and fix that revision list mess

  364. Ge0rG

    margin in the dual-pane is a bit thin

  365. jonas’

    Ge0rG, between the panes, or on the leftmost edge?

  366. Ge0rG

    it should probably be 25% - 75% and not 50-50

  367. Ge0rG

    jonas’: margin in the right pane

  368. jonas’

    Ge0rG, 25%-75% w.r.t. to what?

  369. Ge0rG

    jonas’: sorry, mixing two things now.

  370. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the panes should be split 25/75 and not 50/50

  371. jonas’

    they are not split 50/50

  372. Ge0rG

    and the right pane doesn't have any meaningful margins

  373. jonas’

    never, actually, what’s your screen size?

  374. jonas’

    this must be some corner case

  375. jonas’

    like always when you report stuff

  376. Ge0rG


  377. jonas’

    the splitting triggers at 75em screen width, and the leftmost pane starts out at 15em width, leaving the rest to the right pane

  378. jonas’

    so it’s actually 25/75 by default

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  382. Ge0rG

    when I shrink the window below ~1650, the left pane disappears completely

  383. jonas’

    that’s probably intended

  384. jonas’

    Ge0rG, can you provide a screenshot?

  385. jonas’

    plus the computed width of the body element, if possible?

  386. jonas’


  387. wurstsalat

    jonas’, this looks nice indeed! I wonder if it would be possible (without js) to highlight the chapter in the sidebar depending on where I read on the page?

  388. jonas’

    wurstsalat, I don’t think that’s possible without JS

  389. wurstsalat


  390. Ge0rG


  391. Ge0rG

    jonas’: ^

  392. jonas’

    I did something like that a few weeks back and was unable to find a non-JS solution IIRC

  393. jonas’

    Ge0rG, watcopter

  394. jonas’ fires up chromium

  395. Zash


  396. Ge0rG

    jonas’: computed width = 1905px

  397. jonas’

    now I get it, thanks

  398. jonas’

    I see what’s going on

  399. Ge0rG


  400. jonas’

    well, not actually

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  402. jonas’

    nope, doesn’t make sense

  403. Ge0rG

    I'm not going to give you remote-debugging on my chromium jewels :D

  404. jonas’


  405. jonas’


  406. jonas’


  407. jonas’

    font size?

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  410. Neustradamus

    Any news for XEP diff tool?

  411. jonas’

    Neustradamus, no

  412. Ge0rG

    jonas’: custom->22

  413. Neustradamus

    jonas’: :'(

  414. Ge0rG

    (in the chrome prefs)

  415. jonas’

    Neustradamus, go ahead and work on it ;)

  416. Ge0rG

    I've got bad eyes. No idea how anybody can read 10pt on a 15" full-hd screen.

  417. jonas’

    Ge0rG, that triggers it! thanks

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  419. jonas’

    Ge0rG, the typical fix for *that* is /usr/bin/chromium --force-device-scale-factor=1.5 or something

  420. jonas’

    which also fixes all other sizes (not only font size)

  421. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yay for blurry icons everywhere.

  422. jonas’

    only if the screen is not dense enough ;)

  423. jonas’

    I don’t get how that can even happen

  424. Ge0rG

    also yay for having to dig into the fugly mess that is chrome cmdline parameters

  425. jonas’


  426. Neustradamus

    I have not rights to do it like: - The year change for a newsletter (2018->2019) - XEP proposal redirections -> XEP - ...

  427. jonas’

    Neustradamus, you have

  428. jonas’

    make a PR against the repository

  429. jonas’

    everybody can do that

  430. Ge0rG

    jonas’: don't tell Neustradamus to open PRs.

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  432. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I find PRs marginally more useful than issues without a description about what’s going on

  433. Neustradamus

    Ge0rG: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/created_by/Neustradamus I have not access to the webserver: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/421

  434. jonas’

    Neustradamus, it’s all in dockerfiles nowadays

  435. jonas’

    I don’t know in *which* dockerfiles, though

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  437. Ge0rG

    onions everywhere.

  438. Neustradamus

    About XEP diff tool, all are here no? https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/412

  439. pep.

    Ge0rG, onions? whales?

  440. pep.

    Neustradamus, go ahead and work on it?

  441. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I think what’s happening is that: - the @media query to determine the split stuff is based on your browser font size - everything else is not, for whatever reason. at least changing the font size in chromium does not affect the xep at all

  442. jonas’

    which is weird, because I expected yaml to do this right Ovo

  443. jonas’

    which is weird, because I expected yaml to do this right O_o

  444. Zash

    jonas’: I think redirects are in the top level nginx config actually

  445. jonas’

    Zash, so the xmpp.org dockerfile?

  446. pep.

    There's a nginx in front of that no?

  447. Ge0rG

    pep.: maybe Ogers?

  448. Zash

    There's an nginx in front of it all

  449. jonas’

    Ge0rG, can you confirm that changing the chromium font size does not affect the XEP?

  450. Ge0rG

    jonas’: confirmed

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  453. jonas’

    the first time I’m disappointed in yaml.de

  454. jonas’

    I wonder what the rationale is for that

  455. jonas’

    feels pretty non-accessible to me

  456. Ge0rG

    annoying users with bad eyes.

  457. Ge0rG

    like badges.io

  458. jonas’

    yaml wins awards for accessibility

  459. jonas’

    so I doubt that’s the point ;)

  460. Ge0rG

    you can't make it accessible for *everyone*

  461. jonas’

    ah, I missed a file

  462. jonas’

    that explains it to a certain extent

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  464. Neustradamus

    All xmpp.org servers will be updated/upgraded to the new Debian normally (soon), the World will be better ^^

  465. jonas’


  466. jonas’


  467. jonas’

    *somebody* set font-size: 12pt in the body

  468. jonas’

    that was probably me

  469. jonas’

    explains all the mess

  470. jonas’


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  473. jonas’

    Ge0rG, reload please

  474. Ge0rG

    jonas’: more 30-70 now

  475. jonas’


  476. Ge0rG

    also the font size grew a bit

  477. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I still think we can move the vertical bar more to the left. Also make it movable manually

  478. jonas’

    the latter isn’t possible without massive JS invasion

  479. Zash


  480. Ge0rG


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  483. fire

    Welcome guys, ok?

  484. jonas’


  485. fire

    I am sorry

  486. Ge0rG

    fire: здесь только дискуссии протокола xmpp

  487. fire

    Don't stop me pleace

  488. fire

    Ge0rG, hey man

  489. Ge0rG

    fire: xmpp:yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im?join ;)

  490. Ge0rG

    jonas’: how can I search MUCs by language? :>

  491. jonas’


  492. Ge0rG not searches.

  493. Ge0rG

    doesn't work.

  494. fire

    Bot translater in jabber for me, ok?

  495. fire

    Ge0rG, Bot translater in jabber for me, ok?

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  497. Ge0rG

    fire: есть русские каналы. Здесь просто не правильное место для болтовни

  498. fire

    Ge0rG, what is true?

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  501. fire

    Ge0rG, talk me pleace

  502. Ge0rG

    jonas’: sorry, that doesn't work.

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  506. fire

    Ge0rG, casual english language room for me, ok?

  507. jonas’

    fire, xmpp:offtopic@chat.disroot.org?join

  508. fire

    jonas’, not work

  509. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ^ can you help with that?

  510. fire

    jonas’, can i help for you?

  511. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I don't see how

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  513. fire


  514. jonas’

    Ge0rG, unrelated, how’s this splitting-wise? https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0390.html#appendix-revs

  515. Ge0rG

    jonas’: just perfect

  516. jonas’


  517. Ge0rG

    jonas’: now have some JS that highlights the current position in the TOC

  518. jonas’

    later, if ever

  519. jonas’

    I’m not in the mood to touch JS just yet

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  521. Ge0rG

    I’m not in the mood to touch JS. EVER.

  522. fire

    jonas’, wow, many read

  523. jonas’

    I’m still trying to figure out a way to get the XEP title or at least number above the TOC without actually having it in the HTML

  524. Ge0rG

    jonas’: maybe you should ask MattJ for help.

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  527. jonas’

    Ge0rG, is MattJ a CSS wizard?

  528. Ge0rG

    jonas’: no, MattJ is an admin of this MUC :P

  529. jonas’


  530. jonas’

    different issue, I see

  531. fire

    I don't know xmpp standards

  532. Zash

    jonas’: How far into ugly CSS hackery are you prepared to to go?

  533. jonas’

    Zash, very

  534. Zash

    jonas’: Try `nav > h2:before { content: "HELLO" }` or someting

  535. fire

    Zash, hello dear friend

  536. jonas’

    Zash, yeah, I’m at that point now

  537. jonas’

    I can’t make that part display: block t hough

  538. Zash

    And is there no existing js that can do the TOC fiddlery?

  539. jonas’

    oh I can, nevermind

  540. fire

    Zash, english casual room for me, ok?

  541. Zash

    fire: This is not the place.

  542. fire

    Zash, where are from this place?

  543. Zash

    fire: I don't understand.

  544. fire

    Zash, jid

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  546. Zash

    I don't know

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  548. Zash

    I'm here for XMPP and XMPP accessories.

  549. fire

    Zash, and a jid jabber translater eng => rus, rus => eng, ok?

  550. Zash

    Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

  551. fire

    Zash, bot translater for jabber

  552. Zash

    I don't know anything about that.

  553. fire

    Zash, you lie for me?

  554. Guus

    When this happens in the Ignite Realtime chatrooms, we usually agree that it must be Dave, trolling.

  555. pep.


  556. jonas’

    https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0390.html now all I wish is that there was a way to make the XMPP logo / xep number clickable and have it jump to the top of the page or something useful like that

  557. fire

    Guus, I am not Dave, I am fire

  558. jonas’

    but I don’t think that’s possible without JS (and even then...)

  559. pep.

    jonas’, not possible without JS? Even if you have an anchor at the top?

  560. jonas’

    pep., the problem is the "make it clickable" part

  561. jonas’

    the logo + xep number don’t exist in the HTML

  562. jonas’

    it’s pure CSS

  563. Zash

    :before pseudo element hackery

  564. pep.

    I see

  565. jonas’

    (and there is an accessibility reason why I want to do it that way)

  566. pep.

    Make the whole h2 block clickable? :-°

  567. jonas’


  568. Zash

    Thing I did was to have the ToC at the bottom

  569. jonas’

    that might not even be the worst idea

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  572. jonas’

    pep., works good enough :)

  573. pep.

    yeah, good enough :)

  574. Ge0rG


  575. pep.

    hmm, is it me or the title is being cropped a bit

  576. jonas’

    pep., screenshot

  577. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the indentation is a bit much on mobile Firefox

  578. jonas’

    Ge0rG, that XEP is a bit too much on mobile

  579. jonas’

    for portrait mode anyways

  580. jonas’

    but I intended to reduce the ol/ul indent a bit on mobile, yes

  581. jonas’

    (pun not indented)

  582. fire

    No understand

  583. Ge0rG

    jonas’: can you add an indentation to the second and following lines of line broken titles?

  584. jonas’

    Ge0rG, maybe

  585. pep.

    jonas’, ugh, let me update first (67.0a1 (2019-02-04)). https://ppjet.bouah.net/xep-css.png this is what I see

  586. Ge0rG


  587. jonas’

    pep., I’m on 65.0.1, so ;P

  588. fire

    This room for programmist's?

  589. pep.

    68.0a1 is out already :)

  590. jonas’

    pep., stable <3

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  592. pep.

    I had another fk up with debian stable today, please don't :x

  593. fire

    Pep enjoy nick name

  594. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the hex dump isn't using a fixed width font

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  596. pep.

    jonas’, anyway same result on 68

  597. jonas’

    pep., hm, cannot reproduce here.

  598. jonas’

    but I should add a margin to the top anyways

  599. Zash

    jonas’: Your CSS almost worked with the xep->markdown->html hack I have

  600. pep.

    maybe a mix of line-height being small and big font size

  601. fire

    I want understand english language

  602. pep.

    fire, here is not the place

  603. pep.

    We linked you a few other rooms to join

  604. jonas’

    Ge0rG, https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/i1_HyFdvZw8e243a6YZzaq5sW6pnt0ZsPLprXz1Yy88.png

  605. jonas’

    like this?

  606. jonas’

    Ge0rG, hexdump uses monospace font here, does it work for you with other examples?

  607. Ge0rG

    jonas’: like that, yes

  608. jonas’

    Ge0rG, mind that I can’t control the indent in a way which makes it consistent with the length of the leading number, unfortunately

  609. fire

    pep., good

  610. fire

    pep., where this?

  611. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes, I was assuming that.

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  614. jonas’

    Ge0rG, reload

  615. jonas’

    pep., reload

  616. Ge0rG

    jonas’: neither examples nor other pre boxes are mono space on m mobile Firefox

  617. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ah, that I can work with!

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  619. jonas’

    Ge0rG, reload

  620. pep.

    yeah better

  621. Ge0rG

    jonas’: thanks, fixed now

  622. fire

    pep., other rooms have adres?

  623. pep.

    jonas’, how hard is it to have the anchor leave a tiny bit of space before each section?

  624. pep.


  625. jonas’

    pep., when jumping to it you mean?

  626. jonas’

    it’s possible with a fun insane trick

  627. pep.


  628. Zash

    :target ?

  629. pep.

    fire, xmpp:yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im?join xmpp:offtopic@chat.disroot.org?join

  630. jonas’

    Zash, +margin, yes

  631. fire

    pep., thank you

  632. jonas’

    pep., hm, doesn’t really do the trick, thinking about it

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  634. fire

    I am go to exit

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  636. pep.

    Have I resolved this issue?

  637. pep.

    jonas’, fine I can deal with this :p

  638. jonas’

    ah, it’s easy

  639. jonas’

    pep., no, we all did that same thing before

  640. pep.

    We'll see tomorrow

  641. jonas’

    pep., reload

  642. pep.


  643. Zash


  644. Zash


  645. jonas’

    weirdest piece of CSS I’ve ever seen: h2:target::before, h3:target::before, h4:target::before, h5:target::before, h6:target::before { content: ""; display: block; height: 1.5rem; margin-top: -1.5rem; }

  646. Zash


  647. jonas’

    Zash, what did you do!!k

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  649. Zash

    jonas’: xep-to-markdown rendered with pandoc to html with your css (slightly tweaked)

  650. jonas’


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  652. Zash

    The default pandoc template has #TOC instead of #toc and CSS is case sensitive??

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  654. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I now fixed your landing page example in XEP-0379

  655. jonas’

    Ge0rG, https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0379.html#link_transmission

  656. pep.

    jonas’, some criticism from colleagues (tech people), they don't really like the orange, in the index, "too close to red and that has a different meaning", they also don't really like the index altogether, I don't know how I feel about it, I definitely see the benefits for navigation. and they also preferred stuff properly separated in the metadata at the top in the previous version of the page

  657. jonas’

    meh, the :target hack breaks the line wrapping thing

  658. jonas’

    pep., can you expand on the metadata-at-the-top part please?

  659. jonas’

    I’m not sold on the colours, obviously

  660. jonas’

    I’m not going to take their opinion on the index, it’s awesome

  661. jonas’


  662. Neustradamus

    Kev: I sent you a private message, thanks in advance.

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  664. pep.

    jonas’, the index itself yeah I'd agree. Maybe colors can be slightly tweaked(?)

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  666. jonas’

    pep., reload

  667. Zash


  668. jonas’

    it’s also less in conflict with the XMPP-blue at the top

  669. pep.

    jonas’, yeah colors are better like that for the index. As for the metadata, I think the idea is that it was easier to parse the keys in the previous version and read what's in front

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  671. pep.

    Now you have to somewhat go through all of it

  672. jonas’

    pep., how’s this?

  673. pep.

    Another point they made is that section titles are a lot bigger than the actual text which is weird (you changed the ratio?)

  674. jonas’

    pep., I’m not entirely sure what’s going on there, this broke (changed?) when I included base.css from yaml

  675. jonas’

    I also think that the text font size is too small

  676. jonas’

    but I don’t recall yaml to be as bad normally, so I wanted to dig deeper before taking out the font-size sledgehammer

  677. Zash

    jonas’: Steal whatever the hack Bootstrap does with definition lists like here: https://prosody.im/doc/developers#utility_apis

  678. jonas’

    Zash, I kinda did, probably, it’s display: grid in my case

  679. Zash

    jonas’: Oh, I hadn't reloaded

  680. jonas’

    anyways, afk for a while

  681. pep.

    jonas’, yeah metadata formatting seems better now to me as well, but maybe others will say differently :)

  682. pep.

    Also tbh the blue at the top is weird. I get it's our colors but meh :/

  683. pep.

    (that my own opinion)

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  685. pep.

    It is better with the green though indeed

  686. Zash

    Having one of the colors used in the logo as background for the logo makes it a bit weird

  687. Ge0rG

    Yeah, the blue bar is weird

  688. jonas’

    also on the todo is "re-use the font from the main website"

  689. jonas’

    pep., Ge0rG, reload

  690. jonas’

    (inspired by the main website)

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  694. jonas’

    hm, main website loads font directly from google

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  696. pep.

    yeah black-ish is a lot better to me

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  709. Ge0rG

    jonas’: something in 0390 makes the content a small bit too wide on mobile, causing horizontal scrolling

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  715. Zash

    Hmm, speaking of using the Official XSF Colors, does this look nice https://cerdale.zash.se/upload/DLtZTr_wdX1l95Af/stanza.html ?

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  800. fire

    fire, xmpp:yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im?join xmpp:offtopic@chat.disroot.org?join Not work for me

  801. fire

    yaxim-ru@chat.yax.im offtopic@chat.disroot.org No nick name, no menu, no chat, no connect

  802. fire

    How does this work on jimm

  803. Zash

    How do you join here?

  804. fire

    Jid join and connect

  805. Neustradamus

    fire: what is your XMPP client?

  806. fire

    Neustradamus, jimm multi for mobile

  807. Neustradamus

    What is your plateform?

  808. fire

    Android 2.3.6

  809. pep.

    2.3.6 wat

  810. Neustradamus

    Jimm is very old yes

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  812. bowlofeggs

    platinum CVE edition

  813. fire

    Version 2.3.6

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  815. fire

    Neustradamus, yes

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  818. fire

    How shit for mamont

  819. Zash

    What does it look like when you try to join those?

  820. fire

    Zash, not function

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  822. Zash

    I can't help with "it doesn't work", sorry.

  823. Neustradamus

    Ah! Your Android does not support new security points maybe

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  825. fire


  826. pep.

    fire, do you have any other device available?

  827. moparisthebest

    his android isn't connecting to the remote servers

  828. moparisthebest

    but yea, you should focus on getting that device off the internet ASAP

  829. fire

    pep., no

  830. Zash

    If they can join here, why wouldn't they be able to join those rooms?

  831. pep.

    What tls version/ciphers do you accept here

  832. Zash

    Fairly out-of-the-box Prosody settings

  833. Zash

    fire: "xmpp:" and "?join" are not part of the JID, did you remove those parts?

  834. fire

    Have others casual english rooms for me?

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  837. fire

    Zash, yes, with "xmpp" and "?join" = error 400

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  840. fire

    What happened?

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  843. fire

    Why stop talk?

  844. pep.


  845. Zash


  846. fire


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  866. Ge0rG

    jonas’: any chance to get 0412 promoted? And the typo fixed on the way...

  867. jonas’

    oh right

  868. jonas’

    I forgot the vote passed

  869. jonas’

    on it right now

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  871. jonas’

    Ge0rG, hm, did it pass though?

  872. jonas’

    I can’t seem to find daves vote

  873. Ge0rG

    jonas’: it was on list Monday or Tuesday

  874. jonas’

    it didn’t mention 0412 then

  875. jonas’

    oh wait, it’s Kev’s vote I can’t find

  876. jonas’

    there it is

  877. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it was s/412/410/ in that one revision entry, right?

  878. Ge0rG


  879. Ge0rG

    jonas’: exactly

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  894. jonas’

    I think I found the culprit for the horizontal scrolling ...

  895. jonas’

    "Acknowledgements" is simply too long a word

  896. moparisthebest

    shorten it to "Ack"

  897. moparisthebest

    if it's good enough for TCP...

  898. jonas’


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  939. Neustradamus

    Thanks jonas’ for the 0412->0410 change: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html#appendix-revs

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