XSF Discussion - 2019-04-05

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  117. Kev

    jonas’: I've not tested on mobile, but the current rendering of https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0030.html looks much better on desktop than the old one, thanks.

  118. jonas’

    Kev, :)

  119. Kev

    Personally, I'd be inclined to say 'ship it'.

  120. jonas’

    I have a few minor things on my to-fix

  121. Kev

    Doesn't preclude more tweaks later, but that seems likea big win already.

  122. Ge0rG

    I miss the orange :D

  123. jonas’

    Ge0rG, you were ~the first to complain about it! ;)

  124. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I got used to it. Especially after it got darker

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  127. Ge0rG

    jonas’: obviously I'm just bike-shedding now. Great work!

  128. jonas’

    Ge0rG, how about choosing the font colour based on status? Draft / Final get green, everything else orange ;)

  129. Guus

    ship it

  130. Ge0rG

    jonas’: +1

  131. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I wasn’t serious

  132. Ge0rG

    jonas’: why is the "HTML" link under https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0030.html#appendix-docinfo pointing to XML?

  133. Ge0rG

    jonas’: awwww...

  134. jonas’

    Ge0rG, probably because I typo’d

  135. Guus

    ship it

  136. jonas’

    ah, no, because the source control is an HTML page

  137. jonas’

    Guus, -EBUSY, will this weekend :)

  138. Guus

    shiiiiip it!

  139. jonas’

    but thanks :)

  140. jonas’

    it also needs a proper attribution of the yaml CSS framework somewhere, I’ll put that under the legal stuff

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  142. Guus

    oooooooh "ship it meme" generates good results!

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  144. jonas’


  145. pep.

    jonas’: the "source control" link is it an attempt at having an "Edit on GitHub" like thing? :p

  146. jonas’

    pep., it was there before, I just restyled it

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  148. pep.

    Oh really

  149. jonas’

    but Edit on GitHub is probably not a bad idea

  150. Ge0rG

    > This XMPP Extension Protocol is copyright © 1999 – 2018 by the XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF). This is so yesterday

  151. jonas’


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  153. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the margin below the style-less <p> in revision history should be much smaller

  154. Ge0rG

    (can you have <ul> in <li> without a <p>?)

  155. Ge0rG

    jonas’: can we have anchors on all revision items in the history?

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  158. Ge0rG

    I motion to rename "Draft Standard" into "Living Standard"

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  160. jonas’

    that’s unrelated

  161. Ge0rG

    > The Last Call ends on 2019-01-22. 😭

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  164. Ge0rG


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  166. Ge0rG

    jonas’: there is a missing whitespace in the Proposed template

  167. Ge0rG

    > the XSF standards process.The Last Call ends

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  169. jonas’

    yeah I broke that probably

  170. jonas’

    can you drop me a one-liner email about that?

  171. jonas’

    I’m likely to forget about it

  172. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I'll send to members

  173. jonas’

    even better

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  176. Ge0rG

    0412 needs a promotion as well

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  178. Ge0rG


  179. Ge0rG

    You mentioned that the new renderings are running an out-of-sync version of xeps.

  180. jonas’


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  201. Alex


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  204. Guus

    I was once told to never allow newline within a persons name. Do I understand correctly that the author details are copied in from one entity? Maybe replace all spaces with non-breaking spaces, and Saint-Andre's dash with a non-breaking dash?

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  212. pep.

    I don't think many can read squares here, but TIL: https://www.im-net.org/ https://www.im-net.org/sp/xmpp/ :)

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  223. jonas’

    Guus, sounds like a plan, and also like something which we can do in the XSLT

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  225. jonas’

    XPath fortunately has a translate() function, which should be well-sufficient for that purpose

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  319. Neustradamus

    Have you planned to update the year? Every new year, I request it.

  320. pep.

    Send a PR?

  321. Ge0rG

    Every December, I ask my calendar provider to *not* update the year

  322. pep.

    Neustradamus, maybe someday you'll stop asking and you'll start doing things :)

  323. Neustradamus

    For this, I can do, yes.

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  325. pep.

    With all the things you notice I'm sure you could be a great contributor

  326. pep.

    At the moment it's more annoying than not

  327. Neustradamus

    I contribute in several projects, but I can not launch the debian OS upgrade, the M-Link upgrade, the DH key generation, ...

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  329. pep.

    Ok I lost you there, but whatever

  330. jonas’

    Neustradamus, bad timing, I’ll update the year with the CSS upgrade

  331. jonas’

    don’t make a PR against xep.xsl

  332. jonas’

    I rewrite it anyways

  333. jonas’

    but thanks for the thought, Neustradamus

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  335. Ge0rG

    jonas’: why are there xep-XXXX-version tags on the xeps repo now?

  336. jonas’

    Ge0rG, because I started creating them

  337. jonas’

    good for xep archeology purposes

  338. Ge0rG

    is it possible to have sub-directories in tags?

  339. Ge0rG


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  341. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I fear that most tag-oriented workflows are not designed for managing hundreds of tags.

  342. jonas’

    Ge0rG, we’ll see

  343. Ge0rG

    (this is not an answer to your question)

  344. Zash

    Can you delete tags in git?

  345. Ge0rG


  346. jonas’


  347. Ge0rG

    jonas’: please also tag namespace versions.

  348. jonas’

    Ge0rG, interesting idea

  349. Zash

    Oh, diff -r mam:1 -r mam:2 would be nice

  350. jonas’

    a lot, yes

  351. Ge0rG slowly walks himself out.

  352. Ge0rG

    No. Wait.

  353. jonas’

    $ git tag urn:xmpp:foo:0 fatal: 'urn:xmpp:foo:0' is not a valid tag name.

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  355. Ge0rG


  356. Zash

    y tho

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  358. jonas’

    we can url-encode the namespaces though

  359. jonas’

    I guess it’s for windows compat :/

  360. Neustradamus

    A lot of works for all XEP tags since the beginning!

  361. pep.


  362. jonas’

    Neustradamus, won’t do that

  363. jonas’

    only for new stuff

  364. jonas’

    if someone wants to do it for old stuff, feel free

  365. Ge0rG

    > Note: It is a good practice to use the same message type as the message that requested the receipt, however the XEP authors forgot to mention it and we don't want to version-bump. When sending a Receipt for a type='groupchat' message, it is RECOMMENDED to send the Receipt to the bare JID and not to the full JID of the sender, to ensure that it is reflected to all MUC participants.

  366. Ge0rG

    This one is still dangling aroung in my unfinished-XEP-edits list

  367. Ge0rG

    (a Note box for 0184)

  368. Ge0rG

    I think that it can be polished into a proper PR by redacting a single sentence, but I lack the lack of cynicism to complete it.

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  371. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I think that NS bumping receipts makes sense, actually

  372. jonas’

    if only for multi-receipts

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  379. Ge0rG

    jonas’: let's start with ns-bumping 0045 and 0280 first.

  380. Ge0rG

    multi-0184 is the least of our problems.

  381. jonas’

    s/and 280/and replacing 280 with IM-NG/

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  383. jonas’

    gotta run

  384. Zash

    receipts sent to everyone? Hm

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  386. Ge0rG

    Zash: prosody isn't.

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  388. Ge0rG

    sending receipts to everyone.

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  390. Neustradamus

    For inbox proposal xep to real XEP, how we can do the redirection in the github?

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  393. Neustradamus

    For close this ticket: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/421

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  410. Ge0rG

    how do you reference a later chapter of a XEP in that XEPs XML?

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  442. Ge0rG

    Let's annoy Council and Editor over the weekend: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/778

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  464. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the box below https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0184.html#example-3 has rounded corners, while the example itself has cornered corners.

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  472. Ge0rG

    intosi, Kev, MattJ: the disco#items response on conference.jabber.org violates the RFC due to a bad old data import. It would be awesome if this could get fixed one day

  473. Zash

    ... one day

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  492. jonas’

    https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0045.html another update. make sure you clear your browser caches first. I’d especially like feedback on the document lifecycle view thing I made

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  494. lovetox

    looks nice

  495. lovetox

    maybe move it to the bottom of that block, maybe let it start at the Status line

  496. lovetox

    just an idea

  497. jonas’

    isn’t trivial due to how things are laid out

  498. lovetox

    the width of the content could be a bit bigger, much whitespace between the menu and the content, on a desktop

  499. Ge0rG

    jonas’: 0045 has a significant horizontal scrolling issue on mobile Firefox

  500. jonas’

    Ge0rG, does it happen with '390 too?

  501. jonas’

    if not, it’s an issue with '45

  502. jonas’

    lovetox, intended, too long lines are hard to read

  503. pep.

    Wait, proposed is after Experimental?

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  505. jonas’

    pep., proposed is last call

  506. pep.

    I see

  507. Ge0rG

    jonas’: it's the https://sotecware.net/files/noindex/xeptest/xep-0045.html#impl-client-irc

  508. lovetox

    oh i see you use the same width as there is now

  509. lovetox

    then i guess its fine

  510. pep.

    jonas’, btw, https://ppjet.bouah.net/xep1.png at first I thought it was pretty stylish, but then I realized it was a fail

  511. jonas’

    Ge0rG, can’t be fixed I guess :/

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  514. lovetox

    yeah the longer i look at that document lifecycly thing the more i wish its not at the top, you cant see easy when the abstract ends

  515. pep.

    Otherwise I think that lifecycle diagram thingy is nice, and rather important in making people understanding what is what. I don't especially like the words that are used, (not sure what to replace them with), but that fixes most of the issue I have with them

  516. Ge0rG

    > I motion to rename "Draft Standard" into "Living Standard"

  517. Zash

    Isn't that experimental?

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  520. Ge0rG

    Isn't everything?

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