pep.Oh is that not a fail? Lifecycle on the right? If not then I'd say it's missing a bit of margin maybe
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jonas’it’s not a fail, it needs a bit of padding, yes
jonas’pep., FWIW, the terms come right from XEP-0001, you’d have to take it up with XEP-0001 to change them :)
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pep.Yeah but I have no idea what to replace them with
jonas’I like "Living Standard" for Draft
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jonas’now for the fun part
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jonas’can someone tell me where https://xmpp.org/extensions/xmpp.css comes from? It is **not** in the attic container (<https://github.com/xsf/xep-attic/>)
jonas’cc @ Kev, MattJ
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jonas’derp
MattJSorry, I don't know the answer and I'm currently on my phone
jonas’hm, so you probably also can’t help me with the fact that https://xmpp.org/extensions/xmpp.v2.css 404's
jonas’(despite being in the xeps docker image)
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jonas’I pushed a hotfix against the presentational issue, I still need a permfix on the server level
jonas’(and the hotfix will take 2h or something to deploy)
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flowjonas’, Ge0rG: just for my notes: why was https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/752 considered not a good idea?
jonas’flow, I edited to link minutes + logs
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flowjonas’, thanks :)
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flowWe probably should make sure that the "Application Specific Errors for MUC" are going to get defined some day (all of them being optional as long as we don't want to bump the namespace)
jonas’announced via a separate disco#info feature, yes
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Ge0rG> Georg proposes that Jonas writes a separate "Application Specific Errors for MUC" XEP, for having instigated this mess (with the original discussion.)
😁
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flowjonas’, I am usually not against adding more disco#info features, but is there any advantage besides statistics in this case?
jonas’flow, not sure
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jonas’it gives clients more information about what an absent application specific condition means
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jonas’(undefined vs. server doesn’t support it)
jonas’alternatively, we could have a <undefined-muc-condition/> thing which is always sent on MUC errors if the XEP doesn’t override it
jonas’that’s nice because it’s zero-roundtrip
flowwouldn't you still need a feature to determine if the server is going to add <undefined-muc-condition/>? Also what if a condition becomes defined later on?
jonas’for the first question: no, you’ll find that out when you receive an error
flowNot sure if optimzing for zero-roundtrip is a worthwile goal here
jonas’for the second question: then it gets a new condition (and the <undefined-muc-condition/> vanishes of course), I don’t see a problem
flowI don't see a problem right now too, just wondering
jonas’ok
flowjonas’, the important question right now is: When will you write the XEP? ;)
jonas’I think "if" is the more interesting question ;)
flowWell if the answer is no, then I would consider taking a shot. Collaboration is welcome of course
jonas’oh, go ahead please
flowtaking a shot and stealing your ideas, of course
jonas’I don’t have it high on my agenda at the moment
jonas’(I actually 99.999% forgot about it until you mentioned it ;))
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jonas’hotfix landed
jonas’enjoy our new XEP CSS live
Kevjonas’: The question above, is it urgent? I don't want to look at it right now, but will if things are broken.
jonas’Kev, for the attic, it’s not that urgent
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KevTa. Poke me Monday then, please.
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jonas’the xmpp.v2.css 404 was urgent, but by now another docker build passed with a workaround from my side.
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jonas’we can discuss it monday, too
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GuusJonas, the "this document in another format" XML button directs me to a 404.
GuusMaybe remove the button if fixing it is more effort?
jonas’fixing it should be easy if I can get hold of iteam
GuusShould a http button be added? In case the document is copied somewhere, to have a reference to the original one?
jonas’ITYM "e"HTML
jonas’ITYM "HTML"
jonas’I don’t think so
GuusShould a html button be added? In case the document is copied somewhere, to have a reference to the original one?
GuusK.
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GuusI love the way this turned out. Thanks for putting in the effort!
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jonas’:)
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GuusWe should tweet about this
GuusAnyone able to do so now? If not, I'll find a laptop.
jonas’I can’t, but good idea!
GuusI can, but not from mobile
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GuusI'll find a laptop.
Guusjonas’: what do you consider key improvements?
jonas’Guus, left-hand TOC on large screens, responsive design, modernised HTML
SeveHey jonas’, I see your changes are now live, I haven't been able to follow all this. Nobody mentioned anything about the blue color for headers or the blue background color for the code-example class?
jonas’Guus, left-hand TOC on large screens, modernised HTML and using an award-winning responsive CSS framework
jonas’Seve, noone did indeed
SeveIt must be me then, the only one missing those :D
SeveLooks really good, thank you very much jonas’ !
jonas’:)
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jonas’Guus, while you’re at it, the newsletter hasn’t been tweeted yet either
jonas’uh, and it’s still using the old (unfixed) logo as avatar
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Guussent out two tweets
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Ge0rGGuus: you missed the link to the extensions 😉
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GuusI didn't
GuusI'm guessing that top level links are better SEO wise, but unsure
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GuusIt was a deliberate choose, in any case. 😉
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fireWelcome guys
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fireNo body?
SeveHehe
pep.Yes <body/>
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fireGood day
firepep., hey man
firepep., you programmist?
fireI think this room for programmist
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fireSeve, wow, new face
fireSeve, I am not talk english language
fireSeve, have jabber bot translate for me?
fireTranslater*
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fireI am from in russia
fireI am walk this room
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fireSeve, hey man
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fireI am look they
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vanitasvitaefire: this chat is not meant for casual "whats up man" chatting. It is intended for talks around the xmpp standard. In order to allow busy folks to follow the important conversations, please keep the non-standards talk to a miminum.
vanitasvitaefire, Этот чат не предназначен для случайных чатов. Он используется для обсуждения стандарта XMPP на техническом уровне. Пожалуйста, перестаньте говорить о вещах не по теме, чтобы занятые участники могли следить за важными вещами, которые написаны.
firevanitasvitae, I am understand, can you help me go in casual chat?
vanitasvitaeno, but it would work similar to how you joined this chat
goffijonas’: I'm seeing that a bit late, but thanks for the new design, it's neat.
jonas’:)
jonas’thanks :)
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moparisthebestYep excellent work on that, I'll avoid the unnecessary highlight
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jonas’thanks
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rionxep-0166 v0.30 "Clarified that session-accept action accepts only the content definition(s) in the session-initiate."
does anyone know why it was removed in next versions?
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LanceI'm pretty sure that version predated the content disposition attribute. So that behaviour was to handle what would now be early-session disposition contents
LanceCurrent behaviour is session-accept only accepts content with disposition=session
rioncontent-add hs other disposition by default?
Lancenope. default is always session
Lanceits all related tohttps://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0269.html
Lanceits all related to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0269.html
rionhm. well I'm just trying to decide what's better while I have peding incoming session and remote adds more content before I accepted the session.
a) send content-accept and skip this content in session-accept later
b) don't send content-accept and accept everything with session-accept
Lanceits a matter of user intent here. if the user hasn't accepted, then let it get included with the session-accept
Lanceyou would do a content-accept before the user accepts the session only for this early-session stuff
rionIf accept everything in session-accept it becomes possible an user may accidently accept undesired content
rionI didn't read early media xep before
Lanceearly media is mainly for interop with telephony stuff
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rionit's like remote music instead of beeps ?
Lanceyeah
Lancebut yeah, determining what is being accepted is a small pain. and would need to be handled higher up
Lancelike, don't enable accept button until after small delay from any content-accept
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pep.jonas’, btw, there's no way to not display the index? At least not without JS I assume?