XSF Discussion - 2019-04-06

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  71. jonas’ pep., what is the fail?
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  75. pep. Oh is that not a fail? Lifecycle on the right? If not then I'd say it's missing a bit of margin maybe
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  77. jonas’ it’s not a fail, it needs a bit of padding, yes
  78. jonas’ pep., FWIW, the terms come right from XEP-0001, you’d have to take it up with XEP-0001 to change them :)
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  80. pep. Yeah but I have no idea what to replace them with
  81. jonas’ I like "Living Standard" for Draft
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  88. jonas’ now for the fun part
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  93. jonas’ can someone tell me where https://xmpp.org/extensions/xmpp.css comes from? It is **not** in the attic container (<https://github.com/xsf/xep-attic/>)
  94. jonas’ cc @ Kev, MattJ
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  131. jonas’ derp
  132. MattJ Sorry, I don't know the answer and I'm currently on my phone
  133. jonas’ hm, so you probably also can’t help me with the fact that https://xmpp.org/extensions/xmpp.v2.css 404's
  134. jonas’ (despite being in the xeps docker image)
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  141. jonas’ I pushed a hotfix against the presentational issue, I still need a permfix on the server level
  142. jonas’ (and the hotfix will take 2h or something to deploy)
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  145. flow jonas’, Ge0rG: just for my notes: why was https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/752 considered not a good idea?
  146. jonas’ flow, I edited to link minutes + logs
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  148. flow jonas’, thanks :)
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  150. flow We probably should make sure that the "Application Specific Errors for MUC" are going to get defined some day (all of them being optional as long as we don't want to bump the namespace)
  151. jonas’ announced via a separate disco#info feature, yes
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  153. Ge0rG > Georg proposes that Jonas writes a separate "Application Specific Errors for MUC" XEP, for having instigated this mess (with the original discussion.) 😁
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  156. flow jonas’, I am usually not against adding more disco#info features, but is there any advantage besides statistics in this case?
  157. jonas’ flow, not sure
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  159. jonas’ it gives clients more information about what an absent application specific condition means
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  161. jonas’ (undefined vs. server doesn’t support it)
  162. jonas’ alternatively, we could have a <undefined-muc-condition/> thing which is always sent on MUC errors if the XEP doesn’t override it
  163. jonas’ that’s nice because it’s zero-roundtrip
  164. flow wouldn't you still need a feature to determine if the server is going to add <undefined-muc-condition/>? Also what if a condition becomes defined later on?
  165. jonas’ for the first question: no, you’ll find that out when you receive an error
  166. flow Not sure if optimzing for zero-roundtrip is a worthwile goal here
  167. jonas’ for the second question: then it gets a new condition (and the <undefined-muc-condition/> vanishes of course), I don’t see a problem
  168. flow I don't see a problem right now too, just wondering
  169. jonas’ ok
  170. flow jonas’, the important question right now is: When will you write the XEP? ;)
  171. jonas’ I think "if" is the more interesting question ;)
  172. flow Well if the answer is no, then I would consider taking a shot. Collaboration is welcome of course
  173. jonas’ oh, go ahead please
  174. flow taking a shot and stealing your ideas, of course
  175. jonas’ I don’t have it high on my agenda at the moment
  176. jonas’ (I actually 99.999% forgot about it until you mentioned it ;))
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  190. jonas’ hotfix landed
  191. jonas’ enjoy our new XEP CSS live
  192. Kev jonas’: The question above, is it urgent? I don't want to look at it right now, but will if things are broken.
  193. jonas’ Kev, for the attic, it’s not that urgent
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  196. Kev Ta. Poke me Monday then, please.
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  199. jonas’ the xmpp.v2.css 404 was urgent, but by now another docker build passed with a workaround from my side.
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  204. jonas’ we can discuss it monday, too
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  243. Guus Jonas, the "this document in another format" XML button directs me to a 404.
  244. Guus https://igniterealtime.org:443/httpfileupload/3877f403-13bf-4374-a2dc-ed5d05681b62/SuD4T4inSqWbvnDa2sAG2w.jpg
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  246. jonas’ ha, it probably always did that
  247. jonas’ (I didn’t change it)
  248. jonas’ well, "always", since the server crash
  249. Guus Pdf does work
  250. jonas’ yeah
  251. Guus Yeah, I never tried that before. 😁
  252. Guus Maybe remove the button if fixing it is more effort?
  253. jonas’ fixing it should be easy if I can get hold of iteam
  254. Guus Should a http button be added? In case the document is copied somewhere, to have a reference to the original one?
  255. jonas’ ITYM "e"HTML
  256. jonas’ ITYM "HTML"
  257. jonas’ I don’t think so
  258. Guus Should a html button be added? In case the document is copied somewhere, to have a reference to the original one?
  259. Guus K.
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  261. Guus I love the way this turned out. Thanks for putting in the effort!
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  263. jonas’ :)
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  265. Guus We should tweet about this
  266. Guus Anyone able to do so now? If not, I'll find a laptop.
  267. jonas’ I can’t, but good idea!
  268. Guus I can, but not from mobile
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  275. Guus I'll find a laptop.
  276. Guus jonas’: what do you consider key improvements?
  277. jonas’ Guus, left-hand TOC on large screens, responsive design, modernised HTML
  278. Seve Hey jonas’, I see your changes are now live, I haven't been able to follow all this. Nobody mentioned anything about the blue color for headers or the blue background color for the code-example class?
  279. jonas’ Guus, left-hand TOC on large screens, modernised HTML and using an award-winning responsive CSS framework
  280. jonas’ Seve, noone did indeed
  281. Seve It must be me then, the only one missing those :D
  282. Seve Looks really good, thank you very much jonas’ !
  283. jonas’ :)
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  285. jonas’ Guus, while you’re at it, the newsletter hasn’t been tweeted yet either
  286. jonas’ uh, and it’s still using the old (unfixed) logo as avatar
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  360. Ge0rG Guus: you missed the link to the extensions 😉
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  369. Guus I didn't
  370. Guus I'm guessing that top level links are better SEO wise, but unsure
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  372. Guus It was a deliberate choose, in any case. 😉
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  377. fire Welcome guys
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  379. fire No body?
  380. Seve Hehe
  381. pep. Yes <body/>
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  383. fire Good day
  384. fire pep., hey man
  385. fire pep., you programmist?
  386. fire I think this room for programmist
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  388. fire Seve, wow, new face
  389. fire Seve, I am not talk english language
  390. fire Seve, have jabber bot translate for me?
  391. fire Translater*
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  393. fire I am from in russia
  394. fire I am walk this room
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  396. fire Seve, hey man
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  400. fire I am look they
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  404. vanitasvitae fire: this chat is not meant for casual "whats up man" chatting. It is intended for talks around the xmpp standard. In order to allow busy folks to follow the important conversations, please keep the non-standards talk to a miminum.
  405. fire Don't sleep, don't sleep, don't sleep everybodu
  406. fire Everybody*
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  408. vanitasvitae fire, Этот чат не предназначен для случайных чатов. Он используется для обсуждения стандарта XMPP на техническом уровне. Пожалуйста, перестаньте говорить о вещах не по теме, чтобы занятые участники могли следить за важными вещами, которые написаны.
  409. fire vanitasvitae, I am understand, can you help me go in casual chat?
  410. vanitasvitae no, but it would work similar to how you joined this chat
  411. fire I can't search casual chat
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  415. Mikaela- fire: https://search.jabber.network/rooms/1
  416. fire Mikaela-, yes, thank you man
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  429. fire Mikaela-, this cool
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  562. goffi jonas’: I'm seeing that a bit late, but thanks for the new design, it's neat.
  563. jonas’ :)
  564. jonas’ thanks :)
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  609. moparisthebest Yep excellent work on that, I'll avoid the unnecessary highlight
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  614. jonas’ thanks
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  754. rion xep-0166 v0.30 "Clarified that session-accept action accepts only the content definition(s) in the session-initiate." does anyone know why it was removed in next versions?
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  757. Lance I'm pretty sure that version predated the content disposition attribute. So that behaviour was to handle what would now be early-session disposition contents
  758. Lance Current behaviour is session-accept only accepts content with disposition=session
  759. rion content-add hs other disposition by default?
  760. Lance nope. default is always session
  761. Lance its all related tohttps://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0269.html
  762. Lance its all related to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0269.html
  763. rion hm. well I'm just trying to decide what's better while I have peding incoming session and remote adds more content before I accepted the session. a) send content-accept and skip this content in session-accept later b) don't send content-accept and accept everything with session-accept
  764. Lance its a matter of user intent here. if the user hasn't accepted, then let it get included with the session-accept
  765. Lance you would do a content-accept before the user accepts the session only for this early-session stuff
  766. rion If accept everything in session-accept it becomes possible an user may accidently accept undesired content
  767. rion I didn't read early media xep before
  768. Lance early media is mainly for interop with telephony stuff
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  770. rion it's like remote music instead of beeps ?
  771. Lance yeah
  772. Lance but yeah, determining what is being accepted is a small pain. and would need to be handled higher up
  773. Lance like, don't enable accept button until after small delay from any content-accept
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  821. pep. jonas’, btw, there's no way to not display the index? At least not without JS I assume?
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