XSF Discussion - 2019-04-25

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  108. pep.

    https://xmpp.org/2019/01/google-summer-of-code-2019/ is that pelican failing to parse the Project_Ideas url? Do we have to tell it for every single one?

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  114. pep.

    Is there an equivalent markdown for `<https://foo.bar>`_ (note, I don't know if that's valid rst either, without a link description)

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  135. jonas’

    pep., [url](description)?

  136. jonas’

    or just [url](url)?

  137. pep.

    right, I did the latter, but that seemed a bit repetitive

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  157. Zash

    pep.: <url> maybe?

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  171. Zash

    flow: Cool

  172. flow

    It appears to be open access, so maybe the XSF could blog about it

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  175. flow

    Added to https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter#Other - I hope that was right

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  177. wurstsalat

    this is nice to read!

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  181. edhelas

    yup !

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  184. jonas’

    pep., https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/560/files#r278525237

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  186. Guus

    flow would be a nice addition to https://xmpp.org/uses/

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  188. vanitasvitae

    Yay, we got 4 slots for GSoC :)

  189. vanitasvitae

    Ah no wait, nvm

  190. pep.

    jonas’: sure, I was just fixing the link :p

  191. jonas’

    pep., it solves your link markup dilemma :)

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  194. pep.

    I'd say that'S a workaround rather than a fix

  195. pep.

    But that looks better yes

  196. jonas’

    it’s a fix, because it also fixes the a11y issues of raw URLs

  197. pep.

    not a fix for my issue

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  202. Guus

    vanitasvitae yes we did.

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  224. ralphm

    0. Welcome + Agenda

  225. ralphm


  226. ralphm

    Who do we have today?

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  228. Guus

    I can't join in today, as announced

  229. MattJ


  230. ralphm

    Guus: no worries

  231. Guus

    will try to read along

  232. ralphm


  233. ralphm

    1. Minute taker

  234. ralphm


  235. ralphm

    (Assuming that nyco is actually here)

  236. nyco

    (I am)

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  240. MattJ

    No minute taker, I assume

  241. ralphm

    Guess no meeting then.

  242. ralphm

    This is getting ridiculous.

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  244. nyco

    because no one wants to take notes? we can still have a meeting, can't we?

  245. ralphm


  246. ralphm

    Having meetings without minutes is not acceptable to me, to be honest.

  247. MattJ

    It's not acceptable according to the org bylaws

  248. ralphm

    And that, I didn't even check.

  249. nyco

    then we're quite regularly out of bounds

  250. nyco

    we failed many times to deliver those minutes

  251. ralphm

    Yes, and I am a bit fed up with it.

  252. nyco

    so am I

  253. ralphm

    So, either one of us takes notes, or we find a sustainable other solution.

  254. nyco

    I still believe we should use a real-time collaborative text editor just proposing a solution to the lack of volunteers

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  256. nyco

    ok, let me take the notes today

  257. ralphm

    nyco: it is not ideal to have people taking part in the discussion also having to take notes.

  258. nyco

    go on

  259. nyco


  260. ralphm

    Ok, thank you.

  261. nyco

    it is less ideal to have no notes

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  264. ralphm

    2. Infrastructure Team lead

  265. ralphm

    I have not seen anyone step up for this?

  266. nyco

    neither have I

  267. nyco

    I offer a "Pain au Chocolat" to anyone who will take the lead!

  268. ralphm


  269. nyco

    (that's extrinsic motivation, but hey)

  270. MattJ

    I'll take it

  271. Kev

    More than I ever got for it :p

  272. ralphm

    MattJ: the pain or the pain?

  273. MattJ

    Oh dear

  274. nyco

    ok, one for Kev as well => send me privately your mail address

  275. nyco

    > MattJ: the pain or the pain? indeed, needs clarification and precision

  276. MattJ

    I'll take the pain

  277. MattJ

    But seriously, if nobody else steps up, I'm willing to take it on

  278. ralphm

    I am taking a leap here knowing Kev and Intosi won't object to MattJ as lead, so I motion we appoint MattJ as lead of iteam.

  279. ralphm


  280. nyco


  281. nyco

    one _pain_ for MattJ 😉

  282. Seve


  283. MattJ

    Just one. And a chocolate pastry. Sounds like deal :)

  284. ralphm

    MattJ: you may vote

  285. Seve

    I can take notes after the meeting, not while we are at it

  286. MattJ

    Well, since I proposed it... +1?

  287. nyco

    thanks a lot to both Kev and MattJ, congrats MattJ! 😉

  288. ralphm

    Good. The ayes have it.

  289. ralphm

    3. Deferred XEP typos

  290. nyco

    (Kev got your golden parachute?)

  291. nyco

    (@Kev: got your golden parachute?)

  292. ralphm

    I seem to remember there was recent discussion on this in Council?

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  295. ralphm

    jonas’: ?

  296. Kev

    Fine with MattJ as lead for the record.

  297. ralphm

    Kev: thanks. Wasn't there recent discussion in Council on XEP version numbers that touches on this?

  298. Kev

    On a call at the moment, sorry.

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  300. Guus


  301. Guus


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  303. ralphm

    Ah yes.

  304. Guus

    happy for Matt to have accepted chocolate-induced-pain.

  305. ralphm

    I think that PR should have review by Council, first.

  306. ralphm

    I.e. I wouldn't like to make changes to XEP-0001 with them forming an opinion on it.

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  308. ralphm

    I've added the _Needs Council_ label to make sure, and let the minutes reflect that we'd like their input.

  309. ralphm

    4. Server setup

  310. Guus

    board can form an opinion without Council

  311. Guus

    no need to wait expressing the opinion - we can hold off voting on it though.

  312. ralphm

    Guus: yes we can, but I like their opinion when it changes the process.

  313. ralphm

    I had a brief discussion with Edwin on the server setup.

  314. ralphm

    iteam members have been a bit swamped with other stuff to pick this up.

  315. ralphm

    In any case, they would like to balance the existing offer to continue hosting parts of our infrastructure where it is now, while also looking into having stuff in some cloud offering

  316. ralphm

    (most likely AWS)

  317. ralphm

    Examples include DNS resolution and hosting our website.

  318. MattJ

    I'd be quite happy with the XSF officially adopting $some_cloud_provider for (at least some) infrastructure

  319. ralphm

    There's no actionable plan, yet, but I have expressed that Board would be ok with paying for hosting some of our infra at AWS. I also think it makes sense to retain existing hosting, but there might be some required hardware upgrades, too.

  320. ralphm

    So MattJ, let's have that discussion with iteam, I'd be happy to sit in and help out.

  321. MattJ


  322. jonas’

    it would be nice to have the mission critical stuff in some stable environment (maybe we can push to aws from travis directly and save the docker roundtrip for the website and xeps, too?) and allow more experimental stuff on the main machine

  323. ralphm

    jonas’: noted. Moving this discussion to iteam.

  324. ralphm

    5. Tigase / XMPP Logo

  325. ralphm

    I haven't asked stpeter yet. Will contact him this week.

  326. ralphm

    6. AOB

  327. nyco

    not for me

  328. ralphm

    7. Date of Next

  329. ralphm


  330. ralphm

    8. Close

  331. ralphm

    Thanks All!

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  333. nyco

    -1, I'll try to join from my holidays in Italy

  334. MattJ

    Thanks ralphm/all

  335. nyco


  336. nyco

    > Thanks ralphm/all ralphm divided by all?

  337. ralphm

    Oh, I think I'm on a plane next week.

  338. nyco

    still have wifi? 😉

  339. ralphm

    nyco: such is the fate of a chair person

  340. ralphm

    nyco: crossatlantic, so no

  341. ralphm

    Since I'm flying at 11:00 CEST to JFK, I'm sure I'd be somewhere just passed Iceland or so

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  344. Seve

    Thank you for the meeting guys

  345. nyco

    minutes sent, please read and correct me if I got something wrong or forgot anything

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  352. MattJ

    Thanks nyco :)

  353. Guus

    Congratulations MattJ

  354. Guus

    enjoy the pain.

  355. MattJ

    Thanks :)

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  393. jonas’

    MattJ, congrats!

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  408. Ge0rG

    MattJ: congratulations! Now please let me bother you in your new role with https://github.com/xsf/mediawiki-docker/issues/2

  409. MattJ


  410. Zash

    So it begins

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  412. Ge0rG

    It's merely half a year that I'm asking for that feature

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  552. Neustradamus

    Congrats to MattJ for iteam! After your good job with XMPP.net it is normal!

  553. Neustradamus

    Can not wait the update of this part: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/infrastructure-team

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  555. Ge0rG

    Neustradamus: make a PR?

  556. Neustradamus

    Time to move the https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg to org? Ticket: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/9 And have an update of this page too: https://www.jabber.org/team.html

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  558. Neustradamus

    Ge0rG: Only the leader knows what people are in team ^^ cleaning time :)

  559. Neustradamus

    Linked to https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/483

  560. Ge0rG

    we need a LIDAR!

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