XSF Discussion - 2019-04-26

hi

Neustradamus, thanks so much

And just so you know, jabber.org is not part of the XSF, it is not managed by iteam

Yes yes I know, look https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/483 For the "independent" jabber.org service, you can see all (comments too) on the first ticket here: stpeter/jabberdotorg#1 and other here: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues.

But an update of the jabber.org website is needed! And a change of repository on github to org...

Because?

1/ Team is not up-to-date 2/ No support actually, stpeter is a busy guy 3/ A lot of problems

Team looks ok to me

nyco, thank you very much for the minutes :) And also thank you MattJ for stepping up! Very appreciated!

MattJ: badly there are no support

"It is not me..."

Have you a date for the migration of jabber.org?

Debian, M-Link, DH Key, ...?

For have a better server? https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=jabber.org&type=server + https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=jabber.org&type=client

And for a D-1 cron cert renew? Renew at 89D instead of 90D for have not problems?

Neustradamus: we have told you this many times: the XSF nor its Infrastructure Team run jabber.org or any related services.

Yes yes I know, look https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/483 For the "independent" jabber.org service, you can see all (comments too) on the first ticket here: stpeter/jabberdotorg#1 and other here: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues.

It is possible to update the jabber.org team ? https://www.jabber.org/team.html ?

I'm aware of the issues, but this room is not the right place to discuss them, and MattJ now leading iteam has nothing to do with them.

https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/1

How it is possible to contact jabber.org iteam?

If not here, not in jabber room too?

Neustradamus: please stop discussing this here. Last time I ask.

A lot of tickets wait answers since several months. I have done tickets for have a real trace. It is not about me, it is real. Thanks for the consideration.

You have raised issue in jabber@conference.jabber.org and gotten replies. If you are not satisfied that is not a reason to bother this room with that.

I was just about to point to https://www.jabber.org/team.html, which lists that room.

Guus: Yes but hard to have the good guy for reply, several times (in several years): "It is not me". You can look all tickets on https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues closed and opened. I have requested to move personal repository to org for a better management of the jabber.org team...

Dude, Peter himself replied in that room.

Neustradamus well, that's up to them. There's no point in trying to get a different response from people in this MUC.

We know you are not agreeing with how things work, but you'll just have to accept things and move on.

ralphm: The last ticket OK (about cert renew) but not for other point :)

I can understand that you're not happy with the (lack of) response that you got, but trying to get different/more responses here will a) not work, and b) annoy people.

Neustradamus: If Peter and others want to run jabber.org a certain way that you disagree with, even after repeated appeals and subsequent rejections, you are just out of luck.

On a side-note: One of the strengths of XMPP is that it is fully distributed. If you're unhappy with how jabber.org is ran, you should run your own service and invite people to use it!

I'm quite unhappy with having domains in the network that serve a large percentage of the total user base. Spreading them out over more services is good.

Of course yes

Maybe focus on that?

But Jabber.org must be an example

I invite you to create a better example

The first, and badly not perfect yet (look xmpp.net tests) But I hope improvements soon with the new Debian.

use the knowledge from the recent security incident to replace matrix.org with an XMPP server.

😝

Ge0rG did you notice that the badge design jobboard posting thingy got a response?

Guus: I did, yes. It's very high on my agenda to respond to that.

k, the person appeared to be somewhat annoyed by a lack of response. I must admit that I missed it myself.

Guus: it was not the channel I expected to receive responses on.

lessons to be learned for our own to-be-realized job-board, Seve !

Agree :)

Mozilla needs an IRC replacement https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/04/26/Mozilla-IRC-Sunset-and-the-Rust-Channel.html http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/

Looks like they are getting sucked into walled gardens :'(

Discord ugh

It's been a while rust has been using discord :(