XSF Discussion - 2019-04-29

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  29. atomicbutter Subscribe to this youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJMr4LzZvisWnfK1Ilk2RnQ?view_as=subscriber
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  73. rion Hi guys. What do you think if I make a PR to jingle-s5b spec according to my remarks on wiki. It will also require advance its ns
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  75. rion Basically I'm going to introduce candidate-complete event with meaning no more local candidates (trickles) left.
  76. rion This will allow significally simplify negotiation with trickles. And the advice to put as many as possible candidates to session-initiate won't be that relevant anymore
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  82. flow rion, trickles?
  83. rion The candidates sent with transport-info
  84. rion Additional candidates
  85. flow rion, Is that term somewhere defined? I just greped the XEPs repo for it
  86. rion Basically it's related to ICE
  87. flow rion, I would suggest posting at least a strawman of your proposed changes to the standards@ mailing list, then wait for feedback and eventually create a PR
  88. jonas’ given that this is jingle, I don’t expect any feedback on the list :(
  89. flow I'd also CC the authors of the xep (I suppose we are talking about xep260?), but don't expect much feedback
  90. flow what jonas’ said, but at leat it is archived and documented somewhere…
  91. flow I also would not be surprised if a namespace bump experiences some resistance. But my impression of is jingle possibly deserves an overhaul…
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  93. pep. There's a jingle feature arriving on dino, I'm sure they would have a look. Also there's a few clients implementing it.
  94. rion That's why I want to change it. I'm implementing it in Psi and found many unclear parts. But this current state of jingle-s5b forced me to implement some overcomplecated logic. I don't like it at all.
  95. flow ideally we would be able to bundle all changes, and not namespace bump on every single one. Smack also has some ongoing jingle work, but I don't expect it to be finished before the end of the year
  96. jonas’ if only we had a proper staging area for updates to Draft XEPs
  97. flow and a staging namespace
  98. jonas’ possibly that, too
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  100. flow urn:xmpp:jingle:5-(next|dev|staging|…)
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  102. pep. Semver-ns
  103. pep. urn:xmpp:jingle:5.1
  104. rion +1 for semver
  105. jonas’ they are already semver
  106. jonas’ if the changes are non-breaking, you don’t need to bump the namespace
  107. jonas’ so you don’t need the minor version number in the NS
  108. flow yep, I don't also don't see a reason to use something like semver for xmpp namespaces
  109. pep. jonas’: sure, I could bump major at every single change and I would also be semver compliant
  110. pep. But that's not really the idea
  111. jonas’ pep., that’s not at all what I was saying
  112. rion Ok I'll post on ml tomorrow
  113. pep. jonas’: I was saying there's different readings of that spec (as there is for every spec)
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  116. rion Btw, I can split my proposal in two parts. First is not breaking. It just says to not send candidate-error/used until all local and remote candidates are acknowledged. And this also suppose if candidate-error/used was send by remote and we send a new candidate to remote afterwards, the remote state machine has to invalidated. It's not a requirement though. Another part is the candidate-complete event
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  145. rion Decided to send my thoughts now. It's on ml =)
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  271. yvo pdurbin, have I conviced you? Become a member :). If you are a member on the XSF conf you have dinner for free :D. Plus Cap! :-o
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  273. Zash <blink>FREE DINNER</blink>
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  275. rion Now I want to be a member too!
  276. Ge0rG It's only free if you live in Brussels.
  277. rion 😭
  278. pdurbin Heh.
  279. Ge0rG That said, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q2_2019
  280. Ge0rG > Applications will be accepted until end of business May 12th, 2019
  281. yvo XD
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  288. Seve > It's only free if you live in Brussels. Not true >:(
  289. Zash s/Brussels/that tiny village where the restaurant is/ ? :)
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  357. yvo Zash yes <blink>TINY VILLAGE</blin>
  358. yvo Zash yes <blink>TINY VILLAGE</blink>
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  369. pdurbin Before I join, I'm trying to figure out if I can have a user experience I'm happy with. The big thing is history. Slack excels at this. I used Conversations over the weekend on Android and fired up a second client today, Adium on a Mac. From Adium I don't have access to my one-to-one history that happened on Conversations like I would on Slack. Is there a solution for this? Is this the fault of my XMPP provider (FSF)? Can they enable history or something?
  370. yvo :D pdurbin
  371. yvo What you are asking for is called MAM.
  372. Zash pdurbin: I think the problem is that Adium is outdated.
  373. j.r But MAM is useless with later joined OMEMO devices
  374. yvo With Mac you are unfortunately in a not so nice situation. You should ask for another client.
  375. yvo j.r I think he asks for MAM in this MUC here thus no omemo keys ...
  376. yvo Zash, what was again the best client under MacOS? I forgot it.
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  379. Zash I don't run MacOS, so I'm no authority on this.
  380. Zash Monal is more actively developed at least, so give that a shot?
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  382. eevvoor Hi
  383. Zash Hey
  384. Zash https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html had more MacOS options listed than I expected
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  393. pdurbin Sure, I can try Monal tomorrow. Thanks!
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  399. atomicbutter Watch this really cool video, also subscribe to the channel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzBhGE3w40
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  409. atomicbutter Watch this really cool video, also subscribe to the channel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzBhGE3w40
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