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moparisthebestCan anyone ban this jerk
ZashOps!
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jonas’!summon MattJ
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MattJI would if I knew the JID
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intosi/affiliation outcast atomicbutter
intosiMy magic powers don't work ;)
intosiAh, they do now. He's banned.
intosiOr she. Who knows.
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Arcanyone on who's familiar with prosody?
mikaelaIs there some more fornal method of finding out who have power and reporting a distruption in a MUC to them or does it need digging the user list or weird magic?
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MattJArc: yes? :)
MattJmikaela: your client should typically show this info
intosiarc: you should trust this MattJ person, he seems to know the authors of Prosody.
edhelasI'm not trusting MattJ, he knows those Prosody authors
MattJIt's something of an obsession. I know what one of them had for breakfast.
GuusYou're not keeping them in your basement, feeding them breakfast, are you?
edhelasMattJ those people are doing Lua things I heard, you should be cautious
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Arcuh-o. i let my server certs expire again
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GuusArc, fwiw, I'm seeing two of you.
GuusArc and arc.
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pep.Let me guess, conversation using localpart and not conversation :p
Ge0rGNicknames are HARD.
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MillHello.
MattJGe0rG, yes, everything is hard :/
MattJHi Mill
MillI live in a very cencored country, I started using Tor recently. Any tips?
jonas’https://doc.poez.io/configuration.html
MattJFWIW we're looking at adding more restrictions to nicks in MUC in Prosody (so case differences only would be disallowed, as well as nicks that could be confused due to unicode, etc.)
MillI am connecting through port 9150 which is on tor I think.
MillAny good xmpp servers that don't log?
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Ge0rGThere is a huge spam problem in Jabber, and servers that don't log typically can't or won't prevent outgoing spam. Trying to be anonymous is hard.
MillThere is wallstreetjabber.biz
MillI am not sure if they really don't log
jonas’you can never be sure
GuusRun your own server if you want to be sure!
MillWell, how can i do that without revealing my location?
MattJLet's break this down - what are you worried about the server logging?
MattJIf it's your IP/location, this is already anonymized by tor
MillSo I don't have to worry about the logging?
MattJIf it's message contents you worry about, use OMEMO or OTR (and make sure you verify your contacts' fingerprints)
MillI added OTR to my client but how to add OMEMO?
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MillAnd which is better to use?
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MattJWhat you can't prevent is the XMPP server may log your JID (address) and the JIDs you communicate, so just make sure that address can't be linked to your offline identity
jonas’depends on which client you use
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MattJBoth are considered secure, OMEMO tends to work better with XMPP because it supports things like multiple devices
MillAlright, I am using pidgin, how do I add OMEMO to it?
MillRunning on a Tor/Socks5 proxy Localhost port 9150
jonas’Mill, there are a few crappy plugins to choose from. from my experience, none of them work good.
MillI have OTR installed. If you think pidgin isn't good, what client should I use?
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vanitasvitaeMill: try gajim or dino
MillAnd is using localhost and port 9150 safe?
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MattJYes if all your traffic goes through it. I'm no tor user, I think leaking DNS may be a common issue
MillI just shut tor and It's still working, did I do something wrong?
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jonas’do we have protocol to mark a message as "not worthy to create a notification or mark conversation as unread"?
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jonas’thinking of annotational bot replies to links
Ge0rGtype=headline :>
MattJjonas’, I'd love that
jonas’Ge0rG, in a MUC?
Ge0rGSure, just implement special handling in the MUC
MattJGe0rG, what about MUC->clients?
Ge0rGMattJ: interesting things will happen when a MUC sends type=headline to a client
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MattJI'm sure
jonas’pidgin will probably show a focus-stealing window \o/
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Ge0rGMessage Hints got killed for formal reasons, more or less.
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Link Mauve“23:29:29 flow> Is there an easy to type character that is not valid in any JID part?”, non-breakable space is both easy to type and invalid in a JID, but gets converted into a space by stringprep.
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eevvoorGe0rG, how hard are Nicknames, NP or worse?
pep.Worse. That needs people discussing and agreeing on things
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flowLink Mauve, thanks, but am I am really looking for an invalid char, not one that gets mapped into another one
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jonas’flow, invalid in *all* parts && easy to type is not going to happen I’m afraid
jonas’resourcepart allows pretty much all easy to type things
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flowhmm depends on the definition of easy to type ;)
jonas’what’s your use-case?
flowjonas’, saving a cropus of JIDs together with their normalized forms of local- domain- and resourcepart
flow*corpus
flowand I am looking for a chracter which acts as separator of the parts
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flowRight now ASCII's unit separator is the best thing I came up with
jonas’newline should work too
jonas’pretty sure that’s invalid in all JID parts
jonas’or tab maybe?
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jonas’that might be allowed as input in resourcepart (before normalisation) though
jonas’hm, the same might hold for newline
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flowjonas’, newline gets also mapped to space
flowin some parts at least
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jonas’pity
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jonas’your best bet is probably using a structured file format with escaping
jonas’such as XML or JSON
flowjonas’, I tried to avoid that
jonas’although I’d suggest to NOT use JSON because its unicode support is terrible
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jonas’flow, you could base64 all the parts
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jonas’or do it like ldif, base64 only those parts which contain meta-characters used in your file format and prefix those with a colon or something ;)
flowjonas’, my goal was that the corpus file is directly editable and viewable
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Ge0rGI suggest going with ASCII Record Separators.
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Zash> your best bet is probably using a structured file format with escaping
> such as XML or JSON
This is what I said.
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pdurbinOk, I just installed Monal as suggested yesterday but I still can't see any history for one-to-one messages that took place on other clients. Again, Slack does this very well.
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jubalhis <thread> still used in <message> ?
jonas’jubalh, not really
jonas’pdurbin, were you using OMEMO?
ZashAnd/or does your server support archiving / MAM?
pdurbinI don't know. Maybe. I'm new to using XMPP again after 10 years off. I do think that perhaps Conversations especially likes to use OMEMO.
jonas’yeah, it’s enabled by default by default I think
pdurbinHow can I tell if my server (FSF's server) supports MAM?
jonas’conversations tells you that, check the account settings, three-dot-menu -> show server details or something like that
jubalhjonas’, what was it ever used for? i dont quite get how it woul be presented visually in a client
jonas’jubalh, other chat systems do have the notion of threads
pdurbinFor the FSF server it says "XEP-0313: MAM unavailable." :(
jubalhjonas’, emails yeah, but was there any xmpp client having this? what did it look like?
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jonas’I’m not saying XMPP
jubalhI read what you say
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jubalhi'm not blind dude
jubalhbut did you read my question?
jonas’no, there was no XMPP client
jonas’as far as I know
jonas’zulip is a chat system (which is not XMPP) does have threads
jubalhI see, thanks. So it was more like in the original spec <thread> was described but this was actually never used/implemented
jonas’zulip is a chat system (which is not XMPP) which does have threads
KevI remember them making a big deal about it at the time.
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jubalhI see, I'll have to look that up
ZashXMPP/Jabber was supposed to bridge all the various chat systems together, and thus needed a way to transport thread info from those.
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jubalhok, makes sense. i just read about it in "practical xmpp" and it sounded like it was a thing in XMPP IM. but now I understand what was meant
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flowIIRC (Google|Apache) Wave was also using <thread/>
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Ge0rG> This server could not prove that it is mail.jabber.org; its security certificate expired 2 days ago.
Is that an iteam thing or a jabber.org thing?
Ge0rGMattJ: maybe you know? ^
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intosiiteam, and I'm looking at it.
Ge0rGintosi: thanks
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Ge0rGSpeaking of iteam. Are we using Docker / Docker Hub for our website builds?