Arc*cheers* I finally got it to work, Prosody now reports whether a connection is bosh or websocket in the admin telnet
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靳龙？
靳龙hello
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flow> dwd> If references is counting codepoints (or even bytes) should we be normalizing the text first?
Yes, I think you have too
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dwdflow, Right - if anything *can* normalize, everything *must* normalize - seems the general rule.
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flowdwd, what's the scope of your "general rule"? It appears to me that you have to normlalize in order to identity codepoints interoperable, but usually, e.g., if you just want to exchange <body/>, you don't have to (and I believe most implementations do not)
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Archey Zash, I sent a bundle to the -dev list. Looking for what to work on next now that I'm getting a handle on lua
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dwdflow, Well, if you're reliant on counting codepoints or comparing. Normally we don't care for human text.
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jonas’flow, I think normalizing will be bad
jonas’normalizing before sending makes sense, but when receiving, you’ll have to work with exactly the codepoints used in the message
jonas’otherwise we’d have to specify which unicode version to use with References so that everyone normalizes in the same way
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flowjonas’, I think both send and recipient have to normalize if something xep message markup is used
jonas’why?
flownothing gurantees that the way the sender emitted the UTF-8 will be preserved
jonas’err..... what?
jonas’you are saying that there is (aside from intentional modification) no guarantee that the sequence of codepoints I put in an XML element in XMPP arrives as exact that sequence at the receiver?
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KevThat's certainly true in some cases, yes.
Keve.g. where the element has attributes that are JIDs, an entity might very reasonably normalise en route.
jonas’Kev, and <body/>?
KevIt wouldn't surprise me, at least.
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dwdjonas’, Well, while I don't know of any implementations that do normalize, there's absolutely nothing in the specifications that says implementations MUST NOT normalize.
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jonas’in that case, normalisation needs indeed to be specified, both on the sending (before calculating the offsets) and the receiving side (before matching the offsets)
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flowjonas’, I thank there is nothing that guarantees that this will *not* happen, so I better be safe than sorry here
flow*think
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MattJI'm inclined to agree
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jubalhI suppose ignoring of users in MUCs and of jids that write to you 1:1 is done by clients. one doesnt tell the server to "dont deliver messages from X", right?
Ge0rGjubalh: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html for 1:1
jubalhthank you Ge0rG
dwdThinking about it, anytime that data is served from a database rather than simply switched through, probably has been normalized.
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Ge0rGexcept when the database is a legacy mysql?
jonas’dwd, right, archives
dwdjonas’, Exactly.
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Nirajmimi89999
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mimi89999Yes?
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MattJWe need to create some kind of inline syntax that allows you to apply arbitrary semantics to certain bits of text
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pep.That'd be great, but we need to make sure it's not too verbose
pep.I think we need something that looks like a language we all know, but not too close either
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pep.Javascript seems like a language we would all know. I'm sure that would make a good markup language
pdurbinI sure hope someone approves the message I sent last night to https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/juser
pep.Does that need approval?
MattJjuser still exists, wow
pdurbin"Your message to JUser awaits moderator approval"
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mimi89999`<body>But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and <reference type='mention' uri='xmpp:juliet@capulet.lit'>Juliet</reference> is the sun.</body>`
mimi89999Why is this bad?
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pdurbinDoes anyone here know a moderator for that list?
Zashmimi89999: body is defined as having only text content
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mimi89999s***
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mimi89999How can we be sue that the offset will always be the same?
pep.That's what's being discussed
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pdurbinI guess I'll wait. Maybe a week. Then I'll ask how to get my post approved.
pep.I'm not sure who has access, board members?
MattJNo
pep.iteam?
pep.I think Seve had access to some of it?
MattJSome subset of iteam
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pdurbinThanks. Is there a URL for iteam? I can't find it.
MattJI don't think so
MattJThere is a MUC, but I think everyone in it is also in here
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