I want three layer parallax scrolling, and an interactive shooter game easter egg
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test
wazzup guys
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jonas’
Zash, it doesn’t work for inbox though
Zash
Did those go through a different pipeline?
Zash
Or, paths?
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jonas’
probably paths
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eevvoor
Is here somebody in academia? I am thinking about research in the XMPP area and are happy about collaborations.
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eevvoor, There have been researchers working on/with XMPP before - I think there was a guy a couple of years back who put together a list of papers and things.
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dwd, do you remember his name
dwd
Looks like the effort died (and it was longer ago than I thought) http://www.xmppresearch.org/
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Didn't some researchers visit a recent summit?
eevvoor
thx very much dwd
dwd
Zash, That was those guys. And you, too, are old. :-)
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Guus
iirc one of the people that is currently signing up as an XSF member mentions academic research in his application
Guus
And if I'm not mistaken, various of our German members are either employed or studying at universities.
Guus
pdurbin, weren't you too?
eevvoor
Flow is a researcher but does all XMPP stuff in his free time.
eevvoor
pdurbin is a programmer in science but no scientist ;)
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maybe you can re-ignite http://www.xmppresearch.org/ 🙂
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eevvoor
try to :) Guus
eevvoor
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q2_2019 Waar vind ik iirc Guus? Ik zie hem niet.
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Batman's a scientist.
Guus
"iirc" is an acronym, not a nickname: "if I remember correctly"
pdurbin
eevvoor: what do you want to collaborate with someone on? What are your research interests?
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pdurbin, i.e. CQL-requests to search-engines (ElasticSearch, solr, Lucene). But I am generally interested which scientific research is going on about XMPP. Formal investigations would also be fruitful.✎
eevvoor
pdurbin, i.e. currently, as I've told you already, CQL-requests to search-engines (ElasticSearch, solr, Lucene). But I am generally interested which scientific research is going on about XMPP. Formal investigations would also be fruitful. ✏
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pdurbin
Do you have a webpage of your research interests?
eevvoor
pdurbin, no
eevvoor
Guus dus wie is nu iirc? :D
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How about an ORCID id?
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I should put more information on my orcid landing page: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9528-9470
Ge0rG
eevvoor: there seems to be some research about using xmpp in it security event reporting
Ge0rG
eevvoor: I'm also interested in the topic, maybe also in the context of IoT
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There's a guy at work who will be presenting an idea next week about using ActivityPub as a replacement for OAI-PMH (a protocol we use to "harvest" content from one site to another) but XMPP could probably be used for this as well. Here is what he has written so far: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/PP6iDKQqXMy8uH016MnH0hIE/
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pdurbin: yes XMPP could be use for sure, also I've checked quickly the pad, it states that Diaspora is using ActivityPub which is false (it's using its own protocol).
jonas’
Guus, shouldn’t you be the one to ignite things? ;)
edhelas
goffi oh I though they moved to ActivityPub as well ?
goffi
edhelas: as far as I know they didn't, there are discussion on it but they still use their own protocol. But I'm not following this closely to be honest.
Guus
jonas’ I'm igniting things all over
Guus
(I might be missing context?)
Guus
ooohhhh - _late_ response to my re-ignite remark.
jonas’
Guus, very late :)
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nycopolishes the gavel
Seve
Guys looks like I will be able to follow the meeting a bit, but not participating 100%
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nyco
so you can apologise about your apology?
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ralphm
0. Welcome + Agenda
ralphm
Who? What?
nyco
_o/*
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Guus
hi
nyco
https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
MattJ
Hey
ralphm
nyco: clever nyco, by now you should know this item is to ensure everything is on there.
nyco
are the "Awaiting feedback" and "Backburner" columns useful?
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I think so
ralphm
Was a meeting had last two weeks? I haven't seen minutes.
pdurbin
So who is right about Diaspora? Uses ActivityPub or not?
nyco
I missed the two last weeks (vacations), sorry
ralphm
pdurbin: can you wait until after the Board Meeting?
Guus
we skipped the oldest, we had a brief meeting last week.
ralphm
pdurbin: (shouldn't be more than 30 min)
ralphm
Guus: highlights?
Guus
I was talking to myself, mostly, iirc.
Seve
Yes
Guus
http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2019-05-09?p=h
Seve
Thank you
ralphm
Ok.
ralphm
1. Minute taker
MattJ
<fast-forward 5 minutes of silence>
nyco
I'll do dat
ralphm
Yay
ralphm
Thanks MattJ
ralphm
2. What happens when a typo is fixed in a deferred XEP
ralphm
From the brief reading of last weeks meeting, there is going to be a new approach
ralphm
I think we can archive this?
Guus
Kev mentioned last week that jonas’ is working on improvements.
ralphm
(until that new thing arrives?)
ralphm
Or at least move it to Awaiting
Seve
Ok
ralphm
3. Server setup
Guus
I'm fine with either approach
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MattJ: let's set a time to discuss this (oob)
MattJ
+1
ralphm
4. Tigase logo use
Guus
as a side note: do we have an uptodate inventory of what servers we have?
MattJ
No
ralphm
I'm catching up on stuff since PyCon, and will send them an e-mail.
Guus
(maybe take that on as part of said disucssion?)
ralphm
Guus: good suggestion.
MattJ
Guus, it's one of my top priorities
ralphm
5. Reach out strategy
ralphm
I think we should pick this up. Last week at PyCon I found many people asking about (my) XMPP (hoodie), and we should do better at having these use cases known.
Guus
I think there's much benefit to be had here, but am unsure how to proceed.
nyco
marketing intern?
Seve
I feel we need some other way to work on that item, not sure if we have enough with weekly meetings. Maybe some blank papet somewhere and start writing thoughts there
ralphm
nyco: not sure. I think e.g. our communications team already has some better view on this
nyco
we're developers, have real mkt persons can definitely help
ralphm
But I'd first ask the community to come up with known uses of XMPP so we can put them up.
nyco
sure, great
but then what?
nyco
shape it, deliver it, spread the word
ralphm
nyco: yes
Guus
ralphm, I don't think we need to ask for more potential parties to communicate with.
nyco
do we have that capacity internally?
Guus
We have a couple of good ones that we can start with
Guus
as nyco said, the 'what's next' thingy is more of a challenge than figuring out who to approach.
ralphm
I think expanding https://xmpp.org/uses/ with cases originating (and approved by) with such projects.
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E.g. we know that Fortnite uses XMPP, they've blogged about it. I'd like a testimonial from them.
nyco
what analytics do we have?
nyco
I mean, what's the traffic on that page? subpages? what CTA?
Seve
This is also something I would like us to try, get testimonials from "big players"
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ralphm I suggest we pick and choose one party, and start figuring out how we could get from them what we'd like (such as testimonials).
Guus
maybe not start with the highest-value party, in case we mess up?
nyco
our members first
Guus
nyco I'm not aware of analytics being available for our webpage. Bear once compiled stuff from access logs, but that was a once-off, as far as I know.
nyco
I suggest Matomo to the iTeam
Seve
But we also discussed if we could offer something to them (what could we do for them to accept writing those testimonials)
Guus
nyco if feel that we're perhaps discussing different things?
nyco
that's the point, if we offer exposure, we have to deliver our numbers and optimise them (growth)
Guus
ah, like that.
nyco
Guus right on track
Guus
unsure if that's super critical, to be honest.
ralphm
I'm wondering if we should start out with having that all fully fleshed out.
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I don't think Fortnite benefits from being on our website, no matter how poorly/brilliantly it's being visited.
nyco
what's the point trying to "communicate" and expose use cases if we don't measure?
ralphm
If we're starting with out membership, I think we should be able to get some testimonials without any strings attached.
MattJ
+1, I think that's a sensible start
nyco
members and sponsors should be able to provide their uses cases, that's a win-win for all
Guus
ralphm I don't understand what you're suggesting.
ralphm
nyco: I first want a place to point people and surprise them with XMPP not being dead
Seve
Very happy about this!
ralphm
I admire loftier goal, but not right now.
MattJ
Guus, I think a simple "Call for use-cases/testimonials" to members@
Seve
Going in the right direction!
nyco
agree, "XMPP is not dead" in another shape, can be a good starting point
nyco
members _and_ sponsors
Guus
MattJ ACK. tx
Guus
what sponsors?
nyco
ah
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Ok, who offers to write a call for testimonials?
Guus
I can do that, if no-one takes that on.
nyco
I can help
ralphm
I'd say the result for now should be a single paragraph, including the product name, and an estimate of the user base. Possibly with a link to a more elaborate (self-hosted) page.
nyco
then do a signifcant list
ralphm
I'm not sure about how to specify the user base. I telcos they use things like MAU, which is recognisable?
nyco
just gotta explain the meaning
ralphm
Monthly Active Users
nyco
yes
ralphm
I'm also kind of interested in concurrently connected, but that's probably to detailed.
nyco
aka number of users who got active at least once during last month
ralphm
Also, if it is not end users, but devices, the same goes. (MAD :-) )
Guus
people will simply name 'users' in whatever context is relevant to the project, I think.
nyco
(some say "organisations converted")
ralphm
Guus: "some indication of user activity, e.g. MUA or average concurrently connected users)
nyco
(when they are ashamed of the active userbase)
nyco
Mail User Agent ?
ralphm
MAU of course
nyco
MRR as well, maybe
ralphm
Other suggestions for Guus and nyco's Call?
MattJ
Just keep it simple :)
ralphm
yes, very much this.
MattJ
We can always ask for more info on individual responses if needed
MattJ
Just having the responses is a great start
ralphm
Let's draft it, send it to Board, and then send it out before next meeting.
nyco
ok
Guus
ok
ralphm
Yay!
Seve
Indeed
Seve
Cool
ralphm
6. Compliance badges
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Where are we?
Guus
last time, i promised to poll members
Guus
which I didn't do yet
nyco
(we've passed 30 min meeting)
ralphm
ok, moving to next week
Guus
I just added a trello card on the commitments lane for that
ralphm
7. Messenger Regulation
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I think this item is about efforts to regulate companies to open up their respective messengers
ralphm
e.g. by mandating federaion
Guus
No, this is about trying to work with the german government.
Guus
and establish a direct line of communication about XMPP.
ralphm
Guus: I believe what I wrote is the bigger picture. The thing we discussed with Ge0rG last week?
Guus
one might follow from the other, but need not.
Guus
I'd suggest we first try to get our foot in the door
ralphm
What is action item at this point in time?
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Starting a dialog in itself will be tricky enough.
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"assign someone to make contact with the German government."
Guus
to quote Georg:
Guus
> who is representing the XSF, to
contact the appropriate ministry and establish a permanent contact at
the working-level, to ensure that Open Standards are established as the
foundation for interoperation, and maybe even to make XMPP the
best-suited standard.
ralphm
I'd be happy to take on this action, but would need guidance on who (exactly) to approach.
Guus
Ge0rG suggested this to be picked up by a German national
ralphm
(Given we lack a Executive Director, I think the Chair is probably the next in line)
Guus
> because German politicians don't listen much to foreigners
ralphm
Sure. As I mentioned before, we have one German citizen as Director: Alex. I could work with him and Ge0rG?
Guus
sounds good.
nyco
great
Guus
I'm hoping that Ge0rG has ideas on how (and who) to approach this.
ralphm
Right
Guus
mentioning Ge0rG repeatingly in the hope that he pitches in now does not seem to have the desired effect so far though...
MattJ
He's currently away
MattJ
for another week
Seve
Ah, true.
Guus
I talked to him earlier, but sure 🙂
ralphm
ah
ralphm
Ok, I think that's it for today.
ralphm
8. AOB
ralphm
I haven't seen any.
ralphm
9. Date of Next
ralphm
+1W
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10 Close
ralphm
Thanks all!
Seve
Wow, great! Thank you all!
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thx
ralphm
pdurbin: the floor is open again :-)
Guus
thanks, byes!
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nycoin on the minutes, wanna get rid of this asap
MattJ
Thanks :)
Seve
nyco: thank you!
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nyco
minutes sent, please correct me where I'm wrong
ralphm
I put out a PR for updating our current list of sponsors.
ralphm
https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/567
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So who is right about Diaspora? Does it use ActivityPub or not?
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Guus, yes, I hope to work on the improvements soon-ish
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pdurbin: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/7422
so it's only discussed and they still use their own protocol.
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goffi: ok, thanks!
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Subject: [editor] XSF: Invitation to connect with M-Sec Project (XEP)