Ge0rGI want three layer parallax scrolling, and an interactive shooter game easter egg
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testwazzup guys
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jonas’Zash, it doesn’t work for inbox though
ZashDid those go through a different pipeline?
ZashOr, paths?
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jonas’probably paths
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eevvoorIs here somebody in academia? I am thinking about research in the XMPP area and are happy about collaborations.
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dwdeevvoor, There have been researchers working on/with XMPP before - I think there was a guy a couple of years back who put together a list of papers and things.
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eevvoordwd, do you remember his name
dwdLooks like the effort died (and it was longer ago than I thought) http://www.xmppresearch.org/
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ZashDidn't some researchers visit a recent summit?
eevvoorthx very much dwd
dwdZash, That was those guys. And you, too, are old. :-)
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Guusiirc one of the people that is currently signing up as an XSF member mentions academic research in his application
GuusAnd if I'm not mistaken, various of our German members are either employed or studying at universities.
Guuspdurbin, weren't you too?
eevvoorFlow is a researcher but does all XMPP stuff in his free time.
eevvoorpdurbin is a programmer in science but no scientist ;)
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Guusmaybe you can re-ignite http://www.xmppresearch.org/ 🙂
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eevvoortry to :) Guus
eevvoorhttps://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q2_2019 Waar vind ik iirc Guus? Ik zie hem niet.
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pdurbinBatman's a scientist.
Guus"iirc" is an acronym, not a nickname: "if I remember correctly"
pdurbineevvoor: what do you want to collaborate with someone on? What are your research interests?
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eevvoorpdurbin, i.e. CQL-requests to search-engines (ElasticSearch, solr, Lucene). But I am generally interested which scientific research is going on about XMPP. Formal investigations would also be fruitful.✎
eevvoorpdurbin, i.e. currently, as I've told you already, CQL-requests to search-engines (ElasticSearch, solr, Lucene). But I am generally interested which scientific research is going on about XMPP. Formal investigations would also be fruitful. ✏
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pdurbinDo you have a webpage of your research interests?
eevvoorpdurbin, no
eevvoorGuus dus wie is nu iirc? :D
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pdurbinHow about an ORCID id?
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pdurbinI should put more information on my orcid landing page: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9528-9470
Ge0rGeevvoor: there seems to be some research about using xmpp in it security event reporting
Ge0rGeevvoor: I'm also interested in the topic, maybe also in the context of IoT
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pdurbinThere's a guy at work who will be presenting an idea next week about using ActivityPub as a replacement for OAI-PMH (a protocol we use to "harvest" content from one site to another) but XMPP could probably be used for this as well. Here is what he has written so far: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/PP6iDKQqXMy8uH016MnH0hIE/
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goffipdurbin: yes XMPP could be use for sure, also I've checked quickly the pad, it states that Diaspora is using ActivityPub which is false (it's using its own protocol).
jonas’Guus, shouldn’t you be the one to ignite things? ;)
edhelasgoffi oh I though they moved to ActivityPub as well ?
goffiedhelas: as far as I know they didn't, there are discussion on it but they still use their own protocol. But I'm not following this closely to be honest.
Guusjonas’ I'm igniting things all over
Guus(I might be missing context?)
Guusooohhhh - _late_ response to my re-ignite remark.
jonas’Guus, very late :)
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nycopolishes the gavel
SeveGuys looks like I will be able to follow the meeting a bit, but not participating 100%
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nycoso you can apologise about your apology?
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ralphmbangs gavel
ralphm0. Welcome + Agenda
ralphmWho? What?
nyco_o/*
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Guushi
nycohttps://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
MattJHey
ralphmnyco: clever nyco, by now you should know this item is to ensure everything is on there.
nycoare the "Awaiting feedback" and "Backburner" columns useful?
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ralphmI think so
ralphmWas a meeting had last two weeks? I haven't seen minutes.
pdurbinSo who is right about Diaspora? Uses ActivityPub or not?
nycoI missed the two last weeks (vacations), sorry
ralphmpdurbin: can you wait until after the Board Meeting?
Guuswe skipped the oldest, we had a brief meeting last week.
ralphmpdurbin: (shouldn't be more than 30 min)
ralphmGuus: highlights?
GuusI was talking to myself, mostly, iirc.
SeveYes
Guushttp://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2019-05-09?p=h
SeveThank you
ralphmOk.
ralphm1. Minute taker
MattJ<fast-forward 5 minutes of silence>
nycoI'll do dat
ralphmYay
ralphmThanks MattJ
ralphm2. What happens when a typo is fixed in a deferred XEP
ralphmFrom the brief reading of last weeks meeting, there is going to be a new approach
ralphmI think we can archive this?
GuusKev mentioned last week that jonas’ is working on improvements.
ralphm(until that new thing arrives?)
ralphmOr at least move it to Awaiting
SeveOk
ralphm3. Server setup
GuusI'm fine with either approach
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ralphmMattJ: let's set a time to discuss this (oob)
MattJ+1
ralphm4. Tigase logo use
Guusas a side note: do we have an uptodate inventory of what servers we have?
MattJNo
ralphmI'm catching up on stuff since PyCon, and will send them an e-mail.
Guus(maybe take that on as part of said disucssion?)
ralphmGuus: good suggestion.
MattJGuus, it's one of my top priorities
ralphm5. Reach out strategy
ralphmI think we should pick this up. Last week at PyCon I found many people asking about (my) XMPP (hoodie), and we should do better at having these use cases known.
GuusI think there's much benefit to be had here, but am unsure how to proceed.
nycomarketing intern?
SeveI feel we need some other way to work on that item, not sure if we have enough with weekly meetings. Maybe some blank papet somewhere and start writing thoughts there
ralphmnyco: not sure. I think e.g. our communications team already has some better view on this
nycowe're developers, have real mkt persons can definitely help
ralphmBut I'd first ask the community to come up with known uses of XMPP so we can put them up.
nycosure, great
but then what?
nycoshape it, deliver it, spread the word
ralphmnyco: yes
Guusralphm, I don't think we need to ask for more potential parties to communicate with.
nycodo we have that capacity internally?
GuusWe have a couple of good ones that we can start with
Guusas nyco said, the 'what's next' thingy is more of a challenge than figuring out who to approach.
ralphmI think expanding https://xmpp.org/uses/ with cases originating (and approved by) with such projects.
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ralphmE.g. we know that Fortnite uses XMPP, they've blogged about it. I'd like a testimonial from them.
nycowhat analytics do we have?
nycoI mean, what's the traffic on that page? subpages? what CTA?
SeveThis is also something I would like us to try, get testimonials from "big players"
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Guusralphm I suggest we pick and choose one party, and start figuring out how we could get from them what we'd like (such as testimonials).
Guusmaybe not start with the highest-value party, in case we mess up?
nycoour members first
Guusnyco I'm not aware of analytics being available for our webpage. Bear once compiled stuff from access logs, but that was a once-off, as far as I know.
nycoI suggest Matomo to the iTeam
SeveBut we also discussed if we could offer something to them (what could we do for them to accept writing those testimonials)
Guusnyco if feel that we're perhaps discussing different things?
nycothat's the point, if we offer exposure, we have to deliver our numbers and optimise them (growth)
Guusah, like that.
nycoGuus right on track
Guusunsure if that's super critical, to be honest.
ralphmI'm wondering if we should start out with having that all fully fleshed out.
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GuusI don't think Fortnite benefits from being on our website, no matter how poorly/brilliantly it's being visited.
nycowhat's the point trying to "communicate" and expose use cases if we don't measure?
ralphmIf we're starting with out membership, I think we should be able to get some testimonials without any strings attached.
MattJ+1, I think that's a sensible start
nycomembers and sponsors should be able to provide their uses cases, that's a win-win for all
Guusralphm I don't understand what you're suggesting.
ralphmnyco: I first want a place to point people and surprise them with XMPP not being dead
SeveVery happy about this!
ralphmI admire loftier goal, but not right now.
MattJGuus, I think a simple "Call for use-cases/testimonials" to members@
SeveGoing in the right direction!
nycoagree, "XMPP is not dead" in another shape, can be a good starting point
nycomembers _and_ sponsors
GuusMattJ ACK. tx
Guuswhat sponsors?
nycoah
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ralphmOk, who offers to write a call for testimonials?
GuusI can do that, if no-one takes that on.
nycoI can help
ralphmI'd say the result for now should be a single paragraph, including the product name, and an estimate of the user base. Possibly with a link to a more elaborate (self-hosted) page.
nycothen do a signifcant list
ralphmI'm not sure about how to specify the user base. I telcos they use things like MAU, which is recognisable?
nycojust gotta explain the meaning
ralphmMonthly Active Users
nycoyes
ralphmI'm also kind of interested in concurrently connected, but that's probably to detailed.
nycoaka number of users who got active at least once during last month
ralphmAlso, if it is not end users, but devices, the same goes. (MAD :-) )
Guuspeople will simply name 'users' in whatever context is relevant to the project, I think.
nyco(some say "organisations converted")
ralphmGuus: "some indication of user activity, e.g. MUA or average concurrently connected users)
nyco(when they are ashamed of the active userbase)
nycoMail User Agent ?
ralphmMAU of course
nycoMRR as well, maybe
ralphmOther suggestions for Guus and nyco's Call?
MattJJust keep it simple :)
ralphmyes, very much this.
MattJWe can always ask for more info on individual responses if needed
MattJJust having the responses is a great start
ralphmLet's draft it, send it to Board, and then send it out before next meeting.
nycook
Guusok
ralphmYay!
SeveIndeed
SeveCool
ralphm6. Compliance badges
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ralphmWhere are we?
Guuslast time, i promised to poll members
Guuswhich I didn't do yet
nyco(we've passed 30 min meeting)
ralphmok, moving to next week
GuusI just added a trello card on the commitments lane for that
ralphm7. Messenger Regulation
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ralphmI think this item is about efforts to regulate companies to open up their respective messengers
ralphme.g. by mandating federaion
GuusNo, this is about trying to work with the german government.
Guusand establish a direct line of communication about XMPP.
ralphmGuus: I believe what I wrote is the bigger picture. The thing we discussed with Ge0rG last week?
Guusone might follow from the other, but need not.
GuusI'd suggest we first try to get our foot in the door
ralphmWhat is action item at this point in time?
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GuusStarting a dialog in itself will be tricky enough.
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Guus"assign someone to make contact with the German government."
Guusto quote Georg:
Guus> who is representing the XSF, to
contact the appropriate ministry and establish a permanent contact at
the working-level, to ensure that Open Standards are established as the
foundation for interoperation, and maybe even to make XMPP the
best-suited standard.
ralphmI'd be happy to take on this action, but would need guidance on who (exactly) to approach.
GuusGe0rG suggested this to be picked up by a German national
ralphm(Given we lack a Executive Director, I think the Chair is probably the next in line)
Guus> because German politicians don't listen much to foreigners
ralphmSure. As I mentioned before, we have one German citizen as Director: Alex. I could work with him and Ge0rG?
Guussounds good.
nycogreat
GuusI'm hoping that Ge0rG has ideas on how (and who) to approach this.
ralphmRight
Guusmentioning Ge0rG repeatingly in the hope that he pitches in now does not seem to have the desired effect so far though...
MattJHe's currently away
MattJfor another week
SeveAh, true.
GuusI talked to him earlier, but sure 🙂
ralphmah
ralphmOk, I think that's it for today.
ralphm8. AOB
ralphmI haven't seen any.
ralphm9. Date of Next
ralphm+1W
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ralphm10 Close
ralphmThanks all!
SeveWow, great! Thank you all!
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ralphmpdurbin: the floor is open again :-)
Guusthanks, byes!
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nycoin on the minutes, wanna get rid of this asap
MattJThanks :)
Sevenyco: thank you!
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nycominutes sent, please correct me where I'm wrong
ralphmI put out a PR for updating our current list of sponsors.
ralphmhttps://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/567
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pdurbinSo who is right about Diaspora? Does it use ActivityPub or not?
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jonas’Guus, yes, I hope to work on the improvements soon-ish
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goffipdurbin: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/7422
so it's only discussed and they still use their own protocol.
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pdurbingoffi: ok, thanks!
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jonas’Subject: [editor] XSF: Invitation to connect with M-Sec Project (XEP)