XSF Discussion - 2019-05-23

Ge0rG I'm preparing that email in which I ask members to give feedback on the various designs for badges. Can you provide the links again for the two variants that are out there?

do clients still support resource locking? if yes, which ones?

pidgin probably

so other clients removed this, since i suppose at some point they supported it, right?

and sending to a specific resource should be removed also or that would be fine?

From what I understand resource locking is not recommended anymore. There are some cases where it's still required, like OTR, but otherwise it's most likely not something you want

jubalh, the only situation where you would send to a specific resource in the context of a 1:1 conversation is when the data should really only go to one resource

OTR is one exmaple, but IQs are another obvious example

if you establish a jingle session, you’ll also address that to only one of the resources.

(ideally, a UI would propose the most-recently-heard-from resource by default and allow the user to choose another one based on disco identities etc.)

alright :)

that sounds like I should remove the resource locking from the UI. so that people cant lock it by hand anymore but otr still uses it

Don't know the current status though https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/8971 You can still send messages to specific resources (there are plans to remove that)

thx wurstsalat

Guus: > Seve: mine is under https://op-co.de/tmp/xmpp-compliance-badges/ - theTedd made one at https://bitbucket.org/mrtedd/compliance-badges/src

Guus, ^

Guus: https://opensourcedesign.net/jobs/jobs/2019-03-19-design-of-badges-for-different-xmpp-compliance-levels

Thanks!

I think this is of interest: https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-github-sponsors

Use case: send a msg to myself on another remote.

I wonder if that is even possible...

mtavares, yep, I send myself messages as notes all the time

now that I think about it maybe only useful with carbons and mam but whatever, works

Time for the XSF Board meeting.

yep

hi!

did you get my earlier message?

(email text proposal)

0. Welcome + Agenda

Hi

Hi everyone!

o/

Hey

full house

1. Messenger Regulation Germany/EU

Any updates here?

that was on your commitment list, so I guess any updates come from you? 🙂

I'm not aware of any :)

hrm: “Guus to make contact with the German government with Alex and the help of GeOrG”

(from minutes)

I followed up on that with "that's Ralph, not me" (or something to that extend)

my mistake, sorry

I'll fix the heads on the item

As you wrote last week: > Sure. As I mentioned before, we have one German citizen as Director: Alex. I could work with him and Ge0rG?

your head is on it 🙂

wait, who's the minute taker?

you :-D

happy to do so

Alex: the minutes or the regulation thing?

regulation

both? 😉

argh

ok, I'll one minute not more 😉

ok

Alex: thanks!

Alex: we aren't really sure how to proceed, so any help welcome.

ralphm looking at Trello, you're now volunteering Nyco and me for this, while you volunteered for it last week. I don't want to spend time on this in the near future myself, to much balls in the air at this moment.

but Mrs Barley announced to resign from her current German position this Sunday when we have elections, and take on some duties in Brussels in the European parlament

Guus: I've just read the minutes, if I remembered incorrectly, I'll pick it back up again

There

2. XMPP Testimonials

You remembered incorrectly, and the minutes are incorrect. See http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2019-05-16?p=h#2019-05-16-f84f17240717ef3d

Thnaks

Guus: this _was_ yours, right?

I've drafted a text for this earlier today, that Nyco OK'd just now

I'll send it out right after the meeting.

great

Luckily we've had two weeks to talk to Ms Barley before the election.

Ge0rG: and?

ralphm: I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me that I'm allowed to.

please use sarcasm markup when applied in meeting.

yeah, that's not cool

I thought the minutes were clear that we wanted to work with you and Alex on this.

My reading of the channel log was that Alex was promoted to take the initiative.

Well, since we're all guessing here, let's make it clear:

Ge0rG: we'd love to understand how to move forward, the reason I asked Alex is because he is a Director of the XSF

but we totally want to have you help us figure out how to do things

Does that unblock you?

ralphm: alright. I would attempt to call the respective ministry. They already responded to an inquiry by Freie Messenger, so I might obtain direct contact info. There was also a FOIA request that's still pending

(FOIA?)

Freedom Of Information Act

ralphm: no. I'd actually rather improvise my steps than coordinate each one with The Board.

Ge0rG: in that case, what is your goal and your strategy?

Ge0rG: I don't have the time currently to lead the initiative. But I am happy to help whenever I can

ralphm: my goal is to establish a contact with somebody who's competent at the technical or legislative level for that context, and to offer support to them.

I'd be happy with Ge0rG acting autonomous to a degree, given a defined mandate.

ralphm: my strategy is to use my telephone and email client for that

what would the 'support' that you offer entail exactly?

Maybe that wasn't obvious from my initial mail, but I considered that as the only viable way to move forward given what we know right now.

Guus: wherever I would be entitled to do. Do we have an agenda?

I suppose it would be some kind of consulting / lobbying.

Ge0rG: we're not trying to tie you down here with silly questions. If you are acting on behalf of the Board of the Corporation, we'd like to understand what you want to achieve and how.

Sorry, I've got to run into the reallife now.

XMPP is real life!

Also get updated on what is going on, next steps, etc.

ralphm: I understand. Asking me those things two weeks ago would have been appropriate.

Maybe the goal would be to define together what kind of 'support' we could offer?

Guus: this is a goal for Board? Or rather for the initial dialogue? ✏

the initial dialogue. I was suggesting to work with them to define what would benefit both parties most.

as far as I'm concerned, you could do that solo / with Alex, and report back to board when concrete commitments need to be made.

agreed

Sounds sensible

3. Tigase as Sponsor

done/dusted, I think?

Tigase has responded to my inquiry and they are Gold sponsor for 2019!

maybe do some more exposure on htis?

Thank you Tigase! :)

Guus and I updated the website to reflect this.

Guus: yes, it would be good to e.g. mention this on Twitter

awesome

and the newsletter

yindeed

(I'll add something in AOB)

I'll suggest the entry in the newsletter

4. Compliance Badges

nyco, you're comms - could you take care of this please?

(I'm swamped)

I saw three batches of badges

oui, monsieur

thank you 🙂

I sent out the promised call for feedback only this morning

yep, thanks for that!

5. AOB

(none for me)

so, as founder and CEO, I'd like Nayego to be a sponsor of the XSF, but we got no money so far, can we arrange anything?

Nÿco: like?

What kind of arrangement would you propose?

any kind of contribution

Do you have a concrete proposal? I'm struggling to think of something

marketing, social media, maybe

I think it would be better if you could propose something that we could discuss upon

I can't think of anything right now.

ok

agreed

but thanks for the suggestion!

6. Date of Next

Next week is Ascension and a holiday in .nl

I'll not be here +1w

Shall we reconvene +2W?

wfm

actually, I won't be here +2w either

+2w+1

or very unlikely, at best.

Well, that's too bad, we'll manage without Guus?

yes please.

dunno... ;-)

+2W it is

7. Close

Thanks all!

Thank you all :)!

Thanks

thx

thanks!

minutes sent, please review and correct where I'm wrong

Nÿco thanks - maybe include a reference that Board OK'ed Alex/Georg to act with a degree of autonomy, with the goal of establishing a relation and defining with the German government what a good set of goals / mutual benefits would be.

Thank you very much for entrusting me. I am just a little bit sad that we didn't manage to get this far the two weeks before.

Alex: I'll try to find the contact details and establish first contact some time early next week.

The timing is not perfect because Barley will most probably be hung over from the Sunday election results, one way or the other. I hope that the working level employees of the ministry won't be.

:-D

Now I should disappear again before this ends up as a colossal German politics rant.

I'm looking forward for you to impress us with more speedy results than what board has achieved here, Ge0rG ! 🙂

Guus: don't count on me making the German government move faster

Albeit, with all the money I'm giving them...

No no, you dug this hole for yourself. No excuses! 🙂

https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2019-May/008986.html

hmm, I failed with numbering.

btw, if people from the community are interested, do not hesitate to contact us as well

Seems we kinda forgot about https://opendiscussionday.org/

https://blog.prosody.im/mandatory-encryption-on-xmpp-starts-today/ FIVE YEARS \o/