XSF Discussion - 2019-05-26

"Accepted"? (I guess if this discussion happens again there will be plenty enough bikeshed). I also agree anyway

Accepted is Experimental though

Try harder to push Draft to Final?

s/Draft/Productive/?

s/Draft/Living Standard/?

Live Testing

Please Implement!!!!1eleven

Mature? Stable?

Zash, I don't see the point in the 'final' state FWIW

final means immutable, there might be some value in that or not

But things never stop changing unless they are dead. So it's kinda weird.

What do you do with an immutable XEP when the requirements inevitably change a decade later?

RFCs don’t change

RFCs get replaced

I think the same idea was for Final initially, too

(and maybe still is)

IETF has Internet-Drafts which are almost like our Experimental. Then it maybe gets published as an Experimental or Propsoed RFC, which is sorta like our Draft. Then you go back to I-D and roll in tweaks based on experiences, which gets published as another type of RFC

Tho you can roll in new experiences in Draft XEPs, but with more friction due to Council

I agree that it might be good to adopt a terminology that leans less heavily towards the "this isn't done yet" side. It's off-putting, and can be taken as a sign that there's no maturity to the stack.

RFC 3920 is "Proposed"

Wait RFC 6120 is also "PROPOSED STANDARD"

HTTP/1.1 is a draft standard

I think the thing is that nobody looks in that corner

the issue is that what we mean by 'Draft' isn't how the word is usually used, and if you have to go out of your way to explain the way you're using a word, maybe you should just use a different word

we want to imply "ready for use" as opposed to "a bit rough, but nearly there"

yes

this has come up before, of course

Many times

Mature?

so that it ends up in content filters :)

ha

Stable?

Isn't that Final?

Stable doesn't rule out changes, Final i supposed to

Or, just do away with the words and use numbers.

I'm not sure that would help - people will take the highest number as final and anything less as unfinished

That's how XEP version numbers work already

0.x = experimental, 1.0 = STABLE! (draft), 2.0 = immutable forever