XSF Discussion - 2019-06-07

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  104. pep. winfried, you know that members@ is public right
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  109. winfried Whoops... Couldn't find a public link to its archives... but maybe I didn't check well enough.
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  113. Alex https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo
  114. Alex Goto Members, and then Members Archives
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  118. winfried so be it ;-)
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  124. jonas’ Iteam can probably remove it from the archives.
  125. flow hopefully without change the IDs of the other mails
  126. flow *changing
  127. jonas’ there are no IDs after that one
  128. flow winfried, interesting read, thanks for posting btw
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  130. Neustradamus It will be nice to update mailman, Alex ^^ GSoC: Jabber/XMPP Google Summer of Code -> XMPP Google Summer of Code JDev: Jabber/XMPP software development list -> XMPP software development list JUser: Jabber/XMPP end-user discussion list -> XMPP end-user discussion list
  131. Neustradamus Other lists are already good :)
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  133. Neustradamus And: - http://www.xmpp.org/council/ -> https://xmpp.org/council/ - http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/ - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.devel works? - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.user works? - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.standards-jig works? - http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/ - http://www.xmpp.org/summit/ -> https://xmpp.org/summit/
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  137. Ge0rG https://twitter.com/jcopkode/status/1136562005987532800
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  143. winfried jonas’ flow thanks for thinking along, but no need for that
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  145. winfried Ge0rG: thanks for sharing, that is a nice case to throw in when people say XMPP is dead...
  146. Ge0rG winfried: you don't know of https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html - do you?
  147. Ge0rG there is also https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/490
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  149. winfried Ge0rG: I do know, but casually saying "oh, Nintendo just switched to XMPP to send push notifications to all consoles, twice as much users as the whole population of the Netherlands on a single deployment" and then walking on has better effect.
  150. pep. Indeed :)
  151. Ge0rG winfried: right, that's a bit more focused, and Nintendo is probably the best-well-known brand on that list, at least among non-gamers
  152. Ge0rG ...that made me want to buy a Switch and MitM the XMPP connection
  153. Ge0rG but we don't have good XMPP MitM, do we?
  154. winfried Ge0rG: exactly... still would like to MitM my sons Switch anyway ;-)
  155. Ge0rG I'm not sure I can convince my SO, anyway. The last console I bought was an Xbox360, and the only game it saw was KingKong, up to the font file exploit to load Linux
  156. winfried Ge0rG: and later on you can elaborate more, tell that almost everybody has at least two XMPP deployments in his pocket without knowing it and that the toiletpaper of battlegroups of NATO ships on the Atlantic is managed over XMPP...
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  160. winfried Ge0rG: children are a great way to bypass a SO: "wow daddy, are we getting a [nice gadget]!"
  161. Ge0rG winfried: what are the two deployments you are speaking of?
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  163. Ge0rG I'm not even sure whether Google is still using it for Android push
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  165. winfried Ge0rG: yeah, I know - it is the platform push infrastructure & whatsapp. Both cases are a bit doubtful to what extend it still is XMPP or not.
  166. winfried Ge0rG: I usually say something like: you are almost for certain using XMPP without knowing it.
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  168. winfried BTW: does anybody know any details on the deployment of XMPP at the French ambulance service? I have a discussion on LinkedIn where it may be very tactical to mention it, if the case fits well enough.
  169. Ge0rG whatsapp, right. I'm not using that
  170. Ge0rG winfried: watch out, the french govt is using Matrix now
  171. winfried Ge0rG: I know, for messaging between civil servants, the French ambulance did their own thing
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  204. Wojtek ralphm: regarding xmpp logo usage - I approached Nyco with the question just to make sure it's ok to use it on our pages, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg states it's MIT so basically the answer is that yes, we can
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  206. Kev That's assuming that whoever uploaded it got the license right.
  207. Kev MIT seems quite odd, I didn't think the XSF tended to use that, it's usually CC-ish if anything, AFAICR.
  208. Kev Well, other than the XEPs.
  209. Kev Ah, right, so what's happened here is that someone has taken the logo, found that XEPs are MIT licensed, and so claimed that the logo must be MIT licensed, despite not being a XEP.
  210. Kev At least, that's what it looks like to me.
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  212. Wojtek but it's seems that actual licence status of the logo is unknown? should we assume "CC-ish" or MIT (both cases would permit usage)?
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  215. jonas’ I think the logo is fair use as trademark anyways, isn’t it? If you’re using it according to the trademark stuff anyways
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  218. ralphm Kev: what more likely happened is that our IPR policy was more prominent on a previous version of our website, and it says MIT for all the things
  219. Kev Also possible, but as that page links to the XEP's IPR policy as the one used for the logo, I'm not entirely convinced.
  220. ralphm There is no claimed trademark on XMPP, nor the logo. But we issued its creation.
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  222. ralphm Anyway, I asked Peter and he also said it is covered by our IPR policy
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  224. Wojtek thank you :-)
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  231. ralphm Wojtek: also, it was discussed in Board and we see no issue with you using it on your site.
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  233. Wojtek great!
  234. Wojtek (if it was in minutes I must have missed it)
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  279. neshtaxmpp someone use xsendfile
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