XSF Discussion - 2019-06-07

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  104. pep.

    winfried, you know that members@ is public right

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  109. winfried

    Whoops... Couldn't find a public link to its archives... but maybe I didn't check well enough.

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  113. Alex


  114. Alex

    Goto Members, and then Members Archives

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  118. winfried

    so be it ;-)

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  124. jonas’

    Iteam can probably remove it from the archives.

  125. flow

    hopefully without change the IDs of the other mails

  126. flow


  127. jonas’

    there are no IDs after that one

  128. flow

    winfried, interesting read, thanks for posting btw

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  130. Neustradamus

    It will be nice to update mailman, Alex ^^ GSoC: Jabber/XMPP Google Summer of Code -> XMPP Google Summer of Code JDev: Jabber/XMPP software development list -> XMPP software development list JUser: Jabber/XMPP end-user discussion list -> XMPP end-user discussion list

  131. Neustradamus

    Other lists are already good :)

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  133. Neustradamus

    And: - http://www.xmpp.org/council/ -> https://xmpp.org/council/ - http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/ - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.devel works? - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.user works? - nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.standards-jig works? - http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/ - http://www.xmpp.org/summit/ -> https://xmpp.org/summit/

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  143. winfried

    jonas’ flow thanks for thinking along, but no need for that

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  145. winfried

    Ge0rG: thanks for sharing, that is a nice case to throw in when people say XMPP is dead...

  146. Ge0rG

    winfried: you don't know of https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html - do you?

  147. Ge0rG

    there is also https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/490

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  149. winfried

    Ge0rG: I do know, but casually saying "oh, Nintendo just switched to XMPP to send push notifications to all consoles, twice as much users as the whole population of the Netherlands on a single deployment" and then walking on has better effect.

  150. pep.

    Indeed :)

  151. Ge0rG

    winfried: right, that's a bit more focused, and Nintendo is probably the best-well-known brand on that list, at least among non-gamers

  152. Ge0rG

    ...that made me want to buy a Switch and MitM the XMPP connection

  153. Ge0rG

    but we don't have good XMPP MitM, do we?

  154. winfried

    Ge0rG: exactly... still would like to MitM my sons Switch anyway ;-)

  155. Ge0rG

    I'm not sure I can convince my SO, anyway. The last console I bought was an Xbox360, and the only game it saw was KingKong, up to the font file exploit to load Linux

  156. winfried

    Ge0rG: and later on you can elaborate more, tell that almost everybody has at least two XMPP deployments in his pocket without knowing it and that the toiletpaper of battlegroups of NATO ships on the Atlantic is managed over XMPP...

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  160. winfried

    Ge0rG: children are a great way to bypass a SO: "wow daddy, are we getting a [nice gadget]!"

  161. Ge0rG

    winfried: what are the two deployments you are speaking of?

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  163. Ge0rG

    I'm not even sure whether Google is still using it for Android push

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  165. winfried

    Ge0rG: yeah, I know - it is the platform push infrastructure & whatsapp. Both cases are a bit doubtful to what extend it still is XMPP or not.

  166. winfried

    Ge0rG: I usually say something like: you are almost for certain using XMPP without knowing it.

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  168. winfried

    BTW: does anybody know any details on the deployment of XMPP at the French ambulance service? I have a discussion on LinkedIn where it may be very tactical to mention it, if the case fits well enough.

  169. Ge0rG

    whatsapp, right. I'm not using that

  170. Ge0rG

    winfried: watch out, the french govt is using Matrix now

  171. winfried

    Ge0rG: I know, for messaging between civil servants, the French ambulance did their own thing

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    ralphm: regarding xmpp logo usage - I approached Nyco with the question just to make sure it's ok to use it on our pages, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg states it's MIT so basically the answer is that yes, we can

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  206. Kev

    That's assuming that whoever uploaded it got the license right.

  207. Kev

    MIT seems quite odd, I didn't think the XSF tended to use that, it's usually CC-ish if anything, AFAICR.

  208. Kev

    Well, other than the XEPs.

  209. Kev

    Ah, right, so what's happened here is that someone has taken the logo, found that XEPs are MIT licensed, and so claimed that the logo must be MIT licensed, despite not being a XEP.

  210. Kev

    At least, that's what it looks like to me.

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  212. Wojtek

    but it's seems that actual licence status of the logo is unknown? should we assume "CC-ish" or MIT (both cases would permit usage)?

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  215. jonas’

    I think the logo is fair use as trademark anyways, isn’t it? If you’re using it according to the trademark stuff anyways

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  218. ralphm

    Kev: what more likely happened is that our IPR policy was more prominent on a previous version of our website, and it says MIT for all the things

  219. Kev

    Also possible, but as that page links to the XEP's IPR policy as the one used for the logo, I'm not entirely convinced.

  220. ralphm

    There is no claimed trademark on XMPP, nor the logo. But we issued its creation.

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  222. ralphm

    Anyway, I asked Peter and he also said it is covered by our IPR policy

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  224. Wojtek

    thank you :-)

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  231. ralphm

    Wojtek: also, it was discussed in Board and we see no issue with you using it on your site.

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    (if it was in minutes I must have missed it)

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    someone use xsendfile

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