XSF Discussion - 2019-06-16

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06:28:34 rion who is author pf the SIMS spec?
06:29:36 rion I don't understand why it uses <reference> element. Why not just put <media-sharing> right into <message>
06:30:38 rion and aslo <reference> spec states "uri" is mandatory while SIMS doesn't use it for top-level <reference>
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07:18:55 Ge0rG rion: I think the idea of using reference is to be able to attach the image / file to a specific word / sentence in the message. Unfortunately, the reference XEP isn't finished yet
07:21:51 rion Ge0rG: yep. that's what I guessed. but I believe it doesn't add much good UX. Usually I want just drag'n'drop some files on chat dialog to share them. and that's where I don't understand how to use references and if they needed at all here.
07:23:22 rion well I can referene some preferred data source probably in uri in addition to <sources> amd just ignore the fact it's a reference
07:23:57 Ge0rG rion: conversations made that stupid convention on top of XEP-0066, and then everybody else moved along
07:24:33 Ge0rG rion: I don't have the slightest idea what the URI for a given message is, anyway.
07:24:48 Ge0rG Maybe Movim was the client using SIMS?
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07:28:22 rion jabber:x:oob is quite a weird and mostly useless thing as for me. SIMS with all its metadata and transports diversity looks way better
07:29:20 rion btw, what's status of this https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/message-retraction.html ?
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07:29:40 Ge0rG rion: I fully agree. OOB only gives you the url, no meta data, so you need to HEAD it to find out what it's about
07:45:36 flow rion, Tobias is the author and the URI situation is unfortunate and should probably get fixes
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