XSF Discussion - 2019-07-01

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  173. Guus Am I right to conclude that adding support for XEP-0157 as well as XEP-0232 on a server will result in more than one service discovery extension to be added to the disco#info response (which, according to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0128.html#impl is "unlikely")?
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  180. Daniel yes
  181. Daniel and i think i've seen clients do that
  182. Daniel because it triggered a bug in my caps calculation
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  184. Guus (besides the point: what two extensions are added by clients? XEP-0157 seems applicable to servers only?)
  185. Daniel i was wondering that myself. but i don’t recall. that bug was fixed like 4 years ago or so
  186. Zash What 128 usages are there besides those two?
  187. Guus don't know. But these two now seem to bite the naive implementation in Openfire that defines that this shall not happen. 😃
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  189. Zash Hm, there's the http upload thing
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  191. Zash Altho also mostly for servers
  192. Zash Not that you couldn't do p2p http upload if you really wanted
  193. Daniel or yeah maybe it was prosody
  194. Daniel for when prosody does http upload on the server domain
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  196. Zash In prosody it's handled through the same internal method (roughly named lists of items attached to the host, tracked per module), so it shouldn't have any problem with arbitrary number of forms. Should be no different from features.
  197. Daniel sure. i just meant maybe it was prosody (and not a client) that triggered the multi form bug caps calculation in Conversations
  198. Guus right, makes sense
  199. Daniel because with http upload and 157 you end up with two forms on the server domain
  200. Guus thanks!
  201. Daniel and servers have caps
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  203. Guus should the remark in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0128.html#impl be modified?
  204. Guus seems less unlikely to happen.
  205. Daniel on one hand just remove that sentence seems reasonable on the other hand it's more than just editorial and we probably can’t do that to an active xep?
  206. Daniel but if we can i'd vote for removing it
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  209. jonas’ Could one of you draft a PR?
  210. jonas’ then it can be discussed in this weeks council meeting
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  212. jonas’ I’d like to note that I find it curious that a XEP which defines wire format is only Informational :)
  213. Zash Perhaps it's actually defined in XEP-0030?
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  215. Daniel i mean the wire format is 0004
  216. Zash Hm, no mention
  217. Daniel and 128 is probably meant as. 'here is an idea why not use 0004'
  218. Zash Why not put 0004 everywhere!!!
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  223. jonas’ rebase all of XMPP on top of 0004!!k
  224. Zash 0004 in pubsub!
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  231. Guus jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/797
  232. jonas’ Guus, \o/
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  258. Daniel is PAM still a thing?
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  264. Zash Sorta needed by MIX, no?
  265. Daniel mhhh i was thinking about regular PAM not MIX-PAM
  266. Daniel "In future, this specification MAY be incorporated into Pubsub Account Management (XEP-0376) [4] (PAM) which follows a similar model. " <- maybe we should make that decision before we roll out mix
  267. Daniel and not in a future after mix was deployed
  268. flow > Zash> Sorta needed by MIX, no? unfortunately not
  269. Zash Because we concluded that you could do presence based MIX?
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  298. flow no MIX does simply not re-use xep376 semantics
  299. flow or, it does re-use the semantics but not the protocol
  300. Daniel Imho it would be kinda neat if it did. Because then we would get regular pam for free and can use that in other places as well
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  322. vanitasvitae Hehe, funny that XEP-0392: Consistent Color Generation already exists in two incompatible versions :D
  323. flow Daniel, totally aggree
  324. pep. vanitasvitae, which ones?
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  326. Zash YCbCr and HSLuv?
  327. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0392.html#revision-history-v0.5
  328. Zash And CRC32?
  329. pep. So it doesn't exist in two incompatible versions, it exists in HSLuv, no? :)
  330. pep. (I know dino uses a slightly different one, but they're similar enough that jonas was going to add it to the XEP iirc)
  331. pep. http://www.hsluv.org/comparison/ I think dino uses HPLuv
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  333. vanitasvitae If I'm not mistaken, version 0.4.0 produces different results than 0.6.0 does
  334. pep. vanitasvitae, I guess the point is to use the latest version :)
  335. vanitasvitae Yeah but still :D
  336. pep. Things evolve
  337. Zash That's what happens to Experimental XEPs
  338. pep. To anything! To Life!
  339. pep. It also happens for Final XEPs, just not in a direct way. A new XEP gets created and people are encouraged to move to it, and after a few years this new XEP is now the "modern" way of doing it
  340. pep. Stability is an illusion
  341. Zash Is this turning into a Debian rant? 😛
  342. vanitasvitae To be clear, I just find it funny :D
  343. pep. I wasn't going to mention it :p
  344. pep. Zash, though, Debian's definition of stable is different
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  346. Daniel i should probably give hpl a try for Conversations as well
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  358. jonas’ vanitasvitae, there’s a reason I haven’t asked for a Last Call yet ;)
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  361. vanitasvitae jonas’: can the authors decide for themselves when to issue the last call?
  362. pep. The author has control over the experimental XEP and decide when to LC yes
  363. Daniel They can ask council
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  365. vanitasvitae Ah ok
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  368. jonas’ anyone can ask Council
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  370. jonas’ vanitasvitae, and you probably didn’t even spot the subtle differences for MUCs betwene the versions ;)
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  376. vanitasvitae jonas’: jids vs. nicks?
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  389. jonas’ yes
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