GuusAm I right to conclude that adding support for XEP-0157 as well as XEP-0232 on a server will result in more than one service discovery extension to be added to the disco#info response (which, according to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0128.html#impl is "unlikely")?
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Danieland i think i've seen clients do that
Danielbecause it triggered a bug in my caps calculation
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Guus(besides the point: what two extensions are added by clients? XEP-0157 seems applicable to servers only?)
Danieli was wondering that myself. but i don’t recall. that bug was fixed like 4 years ago or so
ZashWhat 128 usages are there besides those two?
Guusdon't know. But these two now seem to bite the naive implementation in Openfire that defines that this shall not happen. 😃
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ZashHm, there's the http upload thing
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ZashAltho also mostly for servers
ZashNot that you couldn't do p2p http upload if you really wanted
Danielor yeah maybe it was prosody
Danielfor when prosody does http upload on the server domain
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ZashIn prosody it's handled through the same internal method (roughly named lists of items attached to the host, tracked per module), so it shouldn't have any problem with arbitrary number of forms. Should be no different from features.
Danielsure. i just meant maybe it was prosody (and not a client) that triggered the multi form bug caps calculation in Conversations
Guusright, makes sense
Danielbecause with http upload and 157 you end up with two forms on the server domain
Guusthanks!
Danieland servers have caps
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Guusshould the remark in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0128.html#impl be modified?
Guusseems less unlikely to happen.
Danielon one hand just remove that sentence seems reasonable on the other hand it's more than just editorial and we probably can’t do that to an active xep?
Danielbut if we can i'd vote for removing it
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jonas’Could one of you draft a PR?
jonas’then it can be discussed in this weeks council meeting
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jonas’I’d like to note that I find it curious that a XEP which defines wire format is only Informational :)
ZashPerhaps it's actually defined in XEP-0030?
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Danieli mean the wire format is 0004
ZashHm, no mention
Danieland 128 is probably meant as. 'here is an idea why not use 0004'
ZashWhy not put 0004 everywhere!!!
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jonas’rebase all of XMPP on top of 0004!!k
Zash0004 in pubsub!
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Guusjonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/797
jonas’Guus, \o/
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Danielis PAM still a thing?
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ZashSorta needed by MIX, no?
Danielmhhh i was thinking about regular PAM not MIX-PAM
Daniel"In future, this specification MAY be incorporated into Pubsub Account Management (XEP-0376) [4] (PAM) which follows a similar model. " <- maybe we should make that decision before we roll out mix
Danieland not in a future after mix was deployed
flow> Zash> Sorta needed by MIX, no?
unfortunately not
ZashBecause we concluded that you could do presence based MIX?
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flowno MIX does simply not re-use xep376 semantics
flowor, it does re-use the semantics but not the protocol
DanielImho it would be kinda neat if it did. Because then we would get regular pam for free and can use that in other places as well
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vanitasvitaeHehe, funny that XEP-0392: Consistent Color Generation already exists in two incompatible versions :D
pep.So it doesn't exist in two incompatible versions, it exists in HSLuv, no? :)
pep.(I know dino uses a slightly different one, but they're similar enough that jonas was going to add it to the XEP iirc)
pep.http://www.hsluv.org/comparison/ I think dino uses HPLuv
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vanitasvitaeIf I'm not mistaken, version 0.4.0 produces different results than 0.6.0 does
pep.vanitasvitae, I guess the point is to use the latest version :)
vanitasvitaeYeah but still :D
pep.Things evolve
ZashThat's what happens to Experimental XEPs
pep.To anything! To Life!
pep.It also happens for Final XEPs, just not in a direct way. A new XEP gets created and people are encouraged to move to it, and after a few years this new XEP is now the "modern" way of doing it
pep.Stability is an illusion
ZashIs this turning into a Debian rant? 😛
vanitasvitaeTo be clear, I just find it funny :D
pep.I wasn't going to mention it :p
pep.Zash, though, Debian's definition of stable is different
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Danieli should probably give hpl a try for Conversations as well
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jonas’vanitasvitae, there’s a reason I haven’t asked for a Last Call yet ;)
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vanitasvitaejonas’: can the authors decide for themselves when to issue the last call?
pep.The author has control over the experimental XEP and decide when to LC yes
DanielThey can ask council
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vanitasvitaeAh ok
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jonas’anyone can ask Council
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jonas’vanitasvitae, and you probably didn’t even spot the subtle differences for MUCs betwene the versions ;)
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