XSF Discussion - 2019-07-06

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  103. neshtaxmpp

    something stange is happening with ejabberd. you are not connected to this chat... latest git ejabberd. attention

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  172. jcbrand

    There are lots of hills that Ge0rG isn't willing to die on

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  174. Ge0rG

    Also lots of hills where I'm fighting to death... šŸ˜‰

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  357. jonasā€™

    I seem to have a stuck s2s link between xmpp.org and wielicki.name

  358. Zash

    Any idea when it started?

  359. jonasā€™


  360. jonasā€™


  361. jonasā€™

    18:33Z was last successful contact

  362. jonasā€™


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  365. Zash

    Like say 18:31:17

  366. jonasā€™

    I see an unanswered ping being sent to xmpp.org at 18:35:12 from my prosody

  367. jonasā€™

    I luckily have debug logs \o/

  368. jonasā€™

    18:33:17 also looks unanswered (going further up)

  369. Zash

    I see nothing after that

  370. Zash

    And I see an error.

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  372. jonasā€™

    oh yes, I have 18:31:17 as the last answer

  373. Zash

    And I know the reason for that.

  374. jonasā€™

    the reason is?

  375. Zash

    A chain of unshaved yaks I'm afraid

  376. jonasā€™

    oh dear

  377. jonasā€™

    is this again the thing where I start to test/monitor stuff and I find bugs in servers?

  378. Zash

    Bug in lua-event. It's fixed, but there's where the chain of unshaved yaks starts, waiting for iteam to fix the world šŸ™‚

  379. jonasā€™

    I see

  380. jonasā€™

    s/lua-event/epoll/ and see how much fire comes out of things?

  381. jonasā€™

    Ge0rG, are you okay with me registering an account on yax.im for ping-probing my own domains from yax.im every 60s or so, possibly along with xmpp.org for fun & profit?

  382. jonasā€™

    Zash, so you have all data you need?

  383. lovetox

    why are there features registered for MUC and no description what they mean

  384. lovetox

    whats muc_unsecured !?

  385. Zash

    lovetox, opposite of the one where it has a password

  386. Zash

    I think?

  387. lovetox

    whats muc_public vs muc_open

  388. lovetox

    Zash no there is muc_passwordprotected

  389. lovetox

    muc_persistent vs muc_temporary

  390. Zash

    jonasā€™, not entirely sure why the error causes s2s to be stuck

  391. jonasā€™

    muc_public and muc_open are not mutually exclusive

  392. lovetox

    how do you know that?

  393. jonasā€™

    lovetox, I run search.jabbercat.org ;)

  394. Zash

    One is the opposite of hidden and the other is maybe the opposite of members-only?

  395. jonasā€™


  396. jonasā€™

    thatā€™s the case

  397. lovetox

    haha ok, so now we know its used in the wild

  398. lovetox

    but still no idea what it means

  399. jonasā€™

    I do

  400. jonasā€™

    is_joinable_muc = ( "muc_open" in info.features and "muc_passwordprotected" not in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )

  401. jonasā€™

    is_indexable_muc = ( "muc_public" in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )

  402. Zash

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features has some short descriptions

  403. jonasā€™

    a MUC needs to be indexable && joinable to appear in the listing

  404. jonasā€™

    thus, there are quite a few which are both open and public :)

  405. lovetox

    Zash thats what im looking at

  406. jonasā€™

    I donā€™t look at muc_unsecured

  407. lovetox

    so they added a feature for every state

  408. lovetox

    instead of if muc_open is absent it means its not open

  409. jonasā€™

    Zash, would closing the s2s link from my side help fixing the stuckness?

  410. Zash

    probably, tho I wonder if it'll notice the closing if it doesn't notice incoming data

  411. Zash


  412. jonasā€™

    my question is thus: can I do that, or would that hinder investigations you want to take on this?

  413. Zash

    Hold on

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  415. jonasā€™

    alright, I just silenced the alert for now :)

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  417. Zash

    jonasā€™, eh, kill it

  418. lovetox


  419. lovetox

    ejabberd returns on disco info on a muc room

  420. lovetox

    a form that has not only the typical roominfo stuff

  421. lovetox

    they also add roomconfig stuff in there even with options

  422. jonasā€™

    Zash, that fixed things

  423. lovetox


  424. lovetox

    should i report this?

  425. lovetox

    looks really weird and not right

  426. Zash


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  429. jonasā€™

    whatā€™s weird about it?

  430. lovetox

    a form of formtype muc#roominfo

  431. lovetox

    having muc#roomconfig vars

  432. jonasā€™

    not unusual

  433. Ge0rG

    jonasā€™: feel free to IBR and set up monitoring

  434. jonasā€™

    lovetox, xsf@muc.xmpp.org has it too

  435. jonasā€™

    Ge0rG, thanks!

  436. jonasā€™

    (if you come across zombofant-blackbox-prober@yax.im, thatā€™s me)

  437. lovetox

    i dont see how this is relevant

  438. jonasā€™

    lovetox, it is relevant insofar as this is not an ejabberd specific thing

  439. lovetox

    or is now everything ok if i find X things that do it like that

  440. Ge0rG

    jonasā€™: IIRC the conversations uptime monitor is also doing a bunch of things, with a 2min period.

  441. Ge0rG

    Also my cpu load is back to normal, so I'm relaxed now.

  442. Zash

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features <name>http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo</name> <desc>Support for the muc#roominfo FORM_TYPE</desc>

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  446. lovetox

    why not just add a second form with the correct form type

  447. lovetox

    why even bother having a form type if we can infer nothing from it

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  449. Zash


  450. Zash

    What's the correct form type?

  451. Zash

    It looks like it has `http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo`, which is correct

  452. lovetox

    not if you put then vars in it that are registered under a different form type

  453. jonasā€™

    a form type is just a hint anyways

  454. jonasā€™

    I donā€™t see a reason to duplicate the names and semantics of the fields

  455. Zash

    There's some text under example 10 https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-10 that seems to say that this is ok

  456. lovetox

    Zash no

  457. lovetox

    that example is wrong :D

  458. jonasā€™

    > whereas other information is based on the more-stable room configuration, which is why any field defined for the muc#roomconfig FORM_TYPE can be included in the extended service discovery fields (as shown above for the "muc#roomconfig_changesubject" field).

  459. jonasā€™

    is it?

  460. jonasā€™

    the text seems to say itā€™s right

  461. lovetox


  462. lovetox

    indeed XEP allows it

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  464. lovetox

    the example is wrong because of this

  465. lovetox


  466. lovetox

    this var is not registered and does not exist

  467. lovetox

    but its unrelated to the topic :)

  468. jonasā€™

    oh it should be roomconfig_changesubject, I guess

  469. lovetox

    no also wrong

  470. lovetox

    i mean you could but there is a better option

  471. jonasā€™

    which is?

  472. lovetox


  473. lovetox

    which is actually registered

  474. lovetox


  475. jonasā€™


  476. lovetox

    it gets even more funnier

  477. lovetox

    i wanted to show that value in Gajim

  478. lovetox

    so i looked at the example, and told ejabberd and prosody devs to add roomconfig_changesubject

  479. lovetox

    both did

  480. lovetox


  481. jonasā€™

    too tired

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  485. lovetox

    ah no even worse, i requested adding the wrong one muc#roominfo_changesubject

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