XSF Discussion - 2019-07-06

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  101. neshtaxmpp hi
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  103. neshtaxmpp something stange is happening with ejabberd. you are not connected to this chat... latest git ejabberd. attention
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  172. jcbrand There are lots of hills that Ge0rG isn't willing to die on
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  174. Ge0rG Also lots of hills where I'm fighting to death... 😉
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  351. jonas’ ping
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  354. Zash RST
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  357. jonas’ I seem to have a stuck s2s link between xmpp.org and wielicki.name
  358. Zash Any idea when it started?
  359. jonas’ yes
  360. jonas’ 18:40Z
  361. jonas’ 18:33Z was last successful contact
  362. jonas’ ±2min
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  365. Zash Like say 18:31:17
  366. jonas’ I see an unanswered ping being sent to xmpp.org at 18:35:12 from my prosody
  367. jonas’ I luckily have debug logs \o/
  368. jonas’ 18:33:17 also looks unanswered (going further up)
  369. Zash I see nothing after that
  370. Zash And I see an error.
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  372. jonas’ oh yes, I have 18:31:17 as the last answer
  373. Zash And I know the reason for that.
  374. jonas’ the reason is?
  375. Zash A chain of unshaved yaks I'm afraid
  376. jonas’ oh dear
  377. jonas’ is this again the thing where I start to test/monitor stuff and I find bugs in servers?
  378. Zash Bug in lua-event. It's fixed, but there's where the chain of unshaved yaks starts, waiting for iteam to fix the world 🙂
  379. jonas’ I see
  380. jonas’ s/lua-event/epoll/ and see how much fire comes out of things?
  381. jonas’ Ge0rG, are you okay with me registering an account on yax.im for ping-probing my own domains from yax.im every 60s or so, possibly along with xmpp.org for fun & profit?
  382. jonas’ Zash, so you have all data you need?
  383. lovetox why are there features registered for MUC and no description what they mean
  384. lovetox whats muc_unsecured !?
  385. Zash lovetox, opposite of the one where it has a password
  386. Zash I think?
  387. lovetox whats muc_public vs muc_open
  388. lovetox Zash no there is muc_passwordprotected
  389. lovetox muc_persistent vs muc_temporary
  390. Zash jonas’, not entirely sure why the error causes s2s to be stuck
  391. jonas’ muc_public and muc_open are not mutually exclusive
  392. lovetox how do you know that?
  393. jonas’ lovetox, I run search.jabbercat.org ;)
  394. Zash One is the opposite of hidden and the other is maybe the opposite of members-only?
  395. jonas’ yes
  396. jonas’ that’s the case
  397. lovetox haha ok, so now we know its used in the wild
  398. lovetox but still no idea what it means
  399. jonas’ I do
  400. jonas’ is_joinable_muc = ( "muc_open" in info.features and "muc_passwordprotected" not in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )
  401. jonas’ is_indexable_muc = ( "muc_public" in info.features and "muc_persistent" in info.features )
  402. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features has some short descriptions
  403. jonas’ a MUC needs to be indexable && joinable to appear in the listing
  404. jonas’ thus, there are quite a few which are both open and public :)
  405. lovetox Zash thats what im looking at
  406. jonas’ I don’t look at muc_unsecured
  407. lovetox so they added a feature for every state
  408. lovetox instead of if muc_open is absent it means its not open
  409. jonas’ Zash, would closing the s2s link from my side help fixing the stuckness?
  410. Zash probably, tho I wonder if it'll notice the closing if it doesn't notice incoming data
  411. Zash hm
  412. jonas’ my question is thus: can I do that, or would that hinder investigations you want to take on this?
  413. Zash Hold on
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  415. jonas’ alright, I just silenced the alert for now :)
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  417. Zash jonas’, eh, kill it
  418. lovetox em
  419. lovetox ejabberd returns on disco info on a muc room
  420. lovetox a form that has not only the typical roominfo stuff
  421. lovetox they also add roomconfig stuff in there even with options
  422. jonas’ Zash, that fixed things
  423. lovetox https://paste.gajim.org/view/a337ac53
  424. lovetox should i report this?
  425. lovetox looks really weird and not right
  426. Zash Specifically?
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  429. jonas’ what’s weird about it?
  430. lovetox a form of formtype muc#roominfo
  431. lovetox having muc#roomconfig vars
  432. jonas’ not unusual
  433. Ge0rG jonas’: feel free to IBR and set up monitoring
  434. jonas’ lovetox, xsf@muc.xmpp.org has it too
  435. jonas’ Ge0rG, thanks!
  436. jonas’ (if you come across zombofant-blackbox-prober@yax.im, that’s me)
  437. lovetox i dont see how this is relevant
  438. jonas’ lovetox, it is relevant insofar as this is not an ejabberd specific thing
  439. lovetox or is now everything ok if i find X things that do it like that
  440. Ge0rG jonas’: IIRC the conversations uptime monitor is also doing a bunch of things, with a 2min period.
  441. Ge0rG Also my cpu load is back to normal, so I'm relaxed now.
  442. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar-features <name>http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo</name> <desc>Support for the muc#roominfo FORM_TYPE</desc>
  443. Ge0rG &
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  446. lovetox why not just add a second form with the correct form type
  447. lovetox why even bother having a form type if we can infer nothing from it
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  449. Zash What
  450. Zash What's the correct form type?
  451. Zash It looks like it has `http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#roominfo`, which is correct
  452. lovetox not if you put then vars in it that are registered under a different form type
  453. jonas’ a form type is just a hint anyways
  454. jonas’ I don’t see a reason to duplicate the names and semantics of the fields
  455. Zash There's some text under example 10 https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-10 that seems to say that this is ok
  456. lovetox Zash no
  457. lovetox that example is wrong :D
  458. jonas’ > whereas other information is based on the more-stable room configuration, which is why any field defined for the muc#roomconfig FORM_TYPE can be included in the extended service discovery fields (as shown above for the "muc#roomconfig_changesubject" field).
  459. jonas’ is it?
  460. jonas’ the text seems to say it’s right
  461. lovetox yes
  462. lovetox indeed XEP allows it
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  464. lovetox the example is wrong because of this
  465. lovetox muc#roominfo_changesubject
  466. lovetox this var is not registered and does not exist
  467. lovetox but its unrelated to the topic :)
  468. jonas’ oh it should be roomconfig_changesubject, I guess
  469. lovetox no also wrong
  470. lovetox i mean you could but there is a better option
  471. jonas’ which is?
  472. lovetox muc#roominfo_subjectmod
  473. lovetox which is actually registered
  474. lovetox :D
  475. jonas’ fun
  476. lovetox it gets even more funnier
  477. lovetox i wanted to show that value in Gajim
  478. lovetox so i looked at the example, and told ejabberd and prosody devs to add roomconfig_changesubject
  479. lovetox both did
  480. lovetox :D
  481. jonas’ too tired
  482. jonas’ sleepytime
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  484. Zash seconded
  485. lovetox ah no even worse, i requested adding the wrong one muc#roominfo_changesubject
  486. lovetox :/
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