XSF Discussion - 2019-07-23

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  107. Guus Did the jabber.org cert expire?
  108. jonas’ yes
  109. Ge0rG judging by the date on https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/13 ... ;)
  110. jonas’ 90 days + 2 days to renew. fits.
  111. Ge0rG 🤐
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  114. Kev Oh, Peter never bumped the server? I did install the new cert when he asked,.
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  116. intosi Server bumped.
  117. Kev You too?
  118. Ge0rG I'm sure this all is just a deliberate plot to get users to move away from jabber.org
  119. ralphm Just curious, but why isn't this done with a cron job, which would renew it weeks before expiry?
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  121. intosi Because $REASONS
  122. Ge0rG Kev: intosi: Now that you are there, could you also have a look at https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/14 please?
  123. intosi No.
  124. Kev Also, the tribal knowledge is wrong there.
  125. Kev The issue simply predates the migration, so came along with it, it wasn't the migration that introduced it.
  126. Ge0rG On a file-based storage I'd simply do an `ls -alrt *\"*` to see when the invalid MUCs were last touched, notice that they are all a decade old, and rm -rf them.
  127. Guus Connected again. Thanks for the bumps.
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  145. intosi Ge0rG: I said no, but I quickly botched a Python script together that nodeprepped all configs, and moved the invalid ones.
  146. intosi Should be alright now.
  147. jonas’ oh my god
  148. jonas’ now we only need to get that dh key fixed and conference.jabber.org can be indexd! :)
  149. jonas’ thanks intosi
  150. intosi dh key is unfortunately more involved.
  151. Ge0rG intosi: 👍
  152. Ge0rG dares to /list c.j.o now.
  153. intosi Let me know if I missed any, the nodeprep implementation was also a botch job ;)
  154. Ge0rG intosi: you missed one it seems. 07-23 10:24:40.692 13308 3656 E yaxim.SmackableImp: org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: XmppStringprepException caused by '"مدرسة¤الهاكرز¤الأحرار"@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain '"'
  155. intosi Wut?
  156. intosi Ah.
  157. intosi Wait a tick.
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  159. Ge0rG also I need to patch yaxim to not timeout after 30s
  160. intosi Try in a minute.
  161. Ge0rG sets a timer
  162. Ge0rG this is so exciting!
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  164. intosi I forgot to restart the server to flush out the old names.
  165. intosi Or rather, I remembered to restart, but failed to see that sudo asked for a password ;)
  166. Ge0rG isn't that sudo's main job?
  167. intosi It is, except when you just ran it moments before.
  168. Ge0rG uses the time to launch android studio
  169. intosi Is up again.
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  172. Ge0rG ah, smack, where you can't set a timeout on a single disco IQ
  173. Ge0rG intosi: another one
  174. Ge0rG XmppStringprepException caused by ',,,@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain ','
  175. intosi And where in 6122 is that?
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  178. intosi Don't see that as a prohibited char in 7622 either.
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  181. jonas’ aioxmpp also sees this as valid
  182. jonas’ Ge0rG, I think you have another bug to report against Smack
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  184. intosi I think that's a bug in your prep routine.
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  186. Guus intosi: would it be possible for you to create a listing of values that failed the nodeprep? That'd make for a nice test set.
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  188. jonas’ I might have that set somewhere, I think I sent it to stpeter or someone in the past
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  190. intosi Guus: most of them failed because they had a 0x20 in them.
  191. Ge0rG I'm currently grepping the source for that exception string, to no avail..
  192. Kev Probably releasing a set of possibly-private JIDs from jabber.org wouldn't be appropriate. Even if they were invalid.
  193. Ge0rG private static final char[] LOCALPART_FURTHER_EXCLUDED_CHARACTERS = new char[] { ... ',', // U+003A (COLON), i.e., : ... }
  194. Ge0rG find the error.
  195. Kev Heh.
  196. intosi Sweet.
  197. intosi Kev: considering we listed them in disco#items until half an hour ago probably dilutes that statement a little ;)
  198. Kev Not if they were private we didn't, surely?
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  200. Ge0rG now why is gradle downloading scala-compiler for jxmpp?
  201. Ge0rG is that some kind of debianesque dependency management hell?
  202. intosi Kev: fair point.
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  204. jonas’ I might have that set of invalid publicly listable rooms somewhere, I think I sent it to stpeter or someone in the past
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  212. Ge0rG Yay! It's loading! Now I only need to wait for 18.6k individual disco#info requests to finish!
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  215. Ge0rG intosi: thanks very much!
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  218. Ge0rG jonas’: how long until muchopper indexes the new data? :D
  219. pep. When dh keys are fixed? :p
  220. Ge0rG oh, right, that.
  221. Ge0rG I can't easily sort the list by occupant count.
  222. Ge0rG I wish disco#items would emit that for all returned rooms.
  223. jonas’ make all the MUC servers implement the muclumbus search protocol ;)
  224. Ge0rG jonas’: is there an XEP I can point server devs to?
  225. Ge0rG No? Ohhh...
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  228. Ge0rG and yaxim has already arrived at bored@
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  231. Guus jonas’ is the required protocol the inverse of what is published to query the directory at https://search.jabbercat.org/docs/api ?
  232. Guus jonas’ is the required protocol the inverse of what is published at https://search.jabbercat.org/docs/api to query the directory?
  233. jonas’ Guus, pretty much
  234. jonas’ I can make it a XEP if there’s interest, but there have been voices who prefer the XEP-0004 based jabber search instead (I don’t know the XEP number of that, 66 maybe?)
  235. Guus I'll not get into that debate 🙂
  236. Guus how do you determine what JID to query?
  237. Guus the MUC service JID itself?
  238. Guus I'm looking for work for people learning to code for Openfire. This might be a nice task to do so.
  239. jonas’ Guus, I’d use the MUC service JID itself
  240. jonas’ if you want work for people learning to code, maybe it’d be better to have this written down as proper XEP
  241. Guus That's be nicer - but I'll work with the tools that are available.
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  250. Ge0rG it needs a distinct disco#info anyway, so that you can switch between legacy disco#items and sophisticated mucsearch
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  260. Ge0rG So of the 18k rooms on c.j.o, maybe 20 are populated.
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  277. jonas’ Ge0rG, mind that the server has just been restarted
  278. jonas’ "just"
  279. Ge0rG jonas’: the results will underwhelm you.
  280. jonas’ it will put some load on muchopper, that’s for sure
  281. Ge0rG jonas’: I've already traversed through 16k/18k, and it's not exciting.
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  283. Ge0rG I'm pretty sure it won't make the frontpage.
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  300. Ge0rG Just in case anyone wonders...
  301. Ge0rG Room all-linux-ru@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room arifsaha@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room discogs@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room elotrolado@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room gnyarf@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room jabber@conference.jabber.org has 9 users Room jdev@conference.jabber.org has 16 users Room jugglers@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room maemo@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room pgdp@conference.jabber.org has 3 users Room resistance@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room sleek@conference.jabber.org has 4 users Room wow@conference.jabber.org has 1 users
  302. Ge0rG I kind of expected there to be a bunch of very crowded rooms of some sub-communities, like Russian Jabber™ fans.
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  304. jonas’ maybe they all need proper DH key sizes ;)
  305. Ge0rG And it only took ~1.5hr for yaxim to iterate through them all.
  306. jonas’ :D
  307. Ge0rG is manually doing the muclumbus' job.
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  349. Link Mauve “11:04:09 pep.> I'm looking at Meetups listed on the events page and I'm curious about Paris, there was one in the past right?”, yes, there was one… two years ago already. :x https://news.jabberfr.org/2017/04/compte-rendu-de-la-rencontre-du-28-mars-2017/
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  351. Link Mauve dwd, winfried, which country was it that were using XMPP to coordinate its ambulance system?
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  353. winfried Link Mauve: I have never seen any confirmation (would love to learn more details), but what I heard, it was France
  354. Ge0rG winfried: wasn't there some emergency-contact app for android from Belgium?
  355. Link Mauve ’cause I have a friend working for a company doing ambulance stuff in France, I’ll ask her if she knows anything about it.
  356. winfried Ge0rG: yes, it is the official 112 app in Belgium. I can send you more details and I have contacts with them.
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  358. winfried Link Mauve: that would be great! Yes, please.
  359. Ge0rG winfried: I remember you mentioned it and I had the Google Play listing open for a month or so ;)
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  362. winfried Ge0rG: it is one of the few apps I have installed via Google play, just to demo it....
  363. Ge0rG Somebody should write a MitM debugger for XMPP
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  367. Zash Is there some Wireshark remote thingymajigger for Android?
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  370. Ge0rG Zash: nothing nice. The least bad ones are ad-sponsored faux VPNs
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