XSF Discussion - 2019-07-23

Did the jabber.org cert expire?

yes

judging by the date on https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/13 ... ;)

90 days + 2 days to renew. fits.

🤐

Oh, Peter never bumped the server? I did install the new cert when he asked,.

Server bumped.

You too?

I'm sure this all is just a deliberate plot to get users to move away from jabber.org

Just curious, but why isn't this done with a cron job, which would renew it weeks before expiry?

Because $REASONS

Kev: intosi: Now that you are there, could you also have a look at https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/14 please?

No.

Also, the tribal knowledge is wrong there.

The issue simply predates the migration, so came along with it, it wasn't the migration that introduced it.

On a file-based storage I'd simply do an `ls -alrt *\"*` to see when the invalid MUCs were last touched, notice that they are all a decade old, and rm -rf them.

Connected again. Thanks for the bumps.

Ge0rG: I said no, but I quickly botched a Python script together that nodeprepped all configs, and moved the invalid ones.

Should be alright now.

oh my god

now we only need to get that dh key fixed and conference.jabber.org can be indexd! :)

thanks intosi

dh key is unfortunately more involved.

intosi: 👍

Let me know if I missed any, the nodeprep implementation was also a botch job ;)

intosi: you missed one it seems. 07-23 10:24:40.692 13308 3656 E yaxim.SmackableImp: org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: XmppStringprepException caused by '"مدرسة¤الهاكرز¤الأحرار"@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain '"'

Wut?

Ah.

Wait a tick.

also I need to patch yaxim to not timeout after 30s

Try in a minute.

this is so exciting!

I forgot to restart the server to flush out the old names.

Or rather, I remembered to restart, but failed to see that sudo asked for a password ;)

isn't that sudo's main job?

It is, except when you just ran it moments before.

Is up again.

ah, smack, where you can't set a timeout on a single disco IQ

intosi: another one

XmppStringprepException caused by ',,,@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain ','

And where in 6122 is that?

Don't see that as a prohibited char in 7622 either.

aioxmpp also sees this as valid

Ge0rG, I think you have another bug to report against Smack

I think that's a bug in your prep routine.

intosi: would it be possible for you to create a listing of values that failed the nodeprep? That'd make for a nice test set.

Guus: most of them failed because they had a 0x20 in them.

I'm currently grepping the source for that exception string, to no avail..

Probably releasing a set of possibly-private JIDs from jabber.org wouldn't be appropriate. Even if they were invalid.

private static final char[] LOCALPART_FURTHER_EXCLUDED_CHARACTERS = new char[] { ... ',', // U+003A (COLON), i.e., : ... }

find the error.

Heh.

Sweet.

Kev: considering we listed them in disco#items until half an hour ago probably dilutes that statement a little ;)

Not if they were private we didn't, surely?

now why is gradle downloading scala-compiler for jxmpp?

is that some kind of debianesque dependency management hell?

Kev: fair point.

I might have that set of invalid publicly listable rooms somewhere, I think I sent it to stpeter or someone in the past ✏

Yay! It's loading! Now I only need to wait for 18.6k individual disco#info requests to finish!

intosi: thanks very much!

jonas’: how long until muchopper indexes the new data? :D

When dh keys are fixed? :p

oh, right, that.

I can't easily sort the list by occupant count.

I wish disco#items would emit that for all returned rooms.

make all the MUC servers implement the muclumbus search protocol ;)

jonas’: is there an XEP I can point server devs to?

No? Ohhh...

and yaxim has already arrived at bored@

jonas’ is the required protocol the inverse of what is published at https://search.jabbercat.org/docs/api to query the directory? ✏

Guus, pretty much

I can make it a XEP if there’s interest, but there have been voices who prefer the XEP-0004 based jabber search instead (I don’t know the XEP number of that, 66 maybe?)

I'll not get into that debate 🙂

how do you determine what JID to query?

the MUC service JID itself?

I'm looking for work for people learning to code for Openfire. This might be a nice task to do so.

Guus, I’d use the MUC service JID itself

if you want work for people learning to code, maybe it’d be better to have this written down as proper XEP

That's be nicer - but I'll work with the tools that are available.

right

it needs a distinct disco#info anyway, so that you can switch between legacy disco#items and sophisticated mucsearch

So of the 18k rooms on c.j.o, maybe 20 are populated.

Ge0rG, mind that the server has just been restarted

"just"

jonas’: the results will underwhelm you.

it will put some load on muchopper, that’s for sure

jonas’: I've already traversed through 16k/18k, and it's not exciting.

I'm pretty sure it won't make the frontpage.

Just in case anyone wonders...

Room all-linux-ru@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room arifsaha@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room discogs@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room elotrolado@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room gnyarf@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room jabber@conference.jabber.org has 9 users Room jdev@conference.jabber.org has 16 users Room jugglers@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room maemo@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room pgdp@conference.jabber.org has 3 users Room resistance@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room sleek@conference.jabber.org has 4 users Room wow@conference.jabber.org has 1 users

I kind of expected there to be a bunch of very crowded rooms of some sub-communities, like Russian Jabber™ fans.

maybe they all need proper DH key sizes ;)

And it only took ~1.5hr for yaxim to iterate through them all.

:D

“11:04:09 pep.> I'm looking at Meetups listed on the events page and I'm curious about Paris, there was one in the past right?”, yes, there was one… two years ago already. :x https://news.jabberfr.org/2017/04/compte-rendu-de-la-rencontre-du-28-mars-2017/

dwd, winfried, which country was it that were using XMPP to coordinate its ambulance system?

Link Mauve: I have never seen any confirmation (would love to learn more details), but what I heard, it was France

winfried: wasn't there some emergency-contact app for android from Belgium?

’cause I have a friend working for a company doing ambulance stuff in France, I’ll ask her if she knows anything about it.

Ge0rG: yes, it is the official 112 app in Belgium. I can send you more details and I have contacts with them.

Link Mauve: that would be great! Yes, please.

winfried: I remember you mentioned it and I had the Google Play listing open for a month or so ;)

Ge0rG: it is one of the few apps I have installed via Google play, just to demo it....

Somebody should write a MitM debugger for XMPP

Is there some Wireshark remote thingymajigger for Android?

Zash: nothing nice. The least bad ones are ad-sponsored faux VPNs