XSF Discussion - 2019-07-23

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07:18:18 Guus Did the jabber.org cert expire?
07:18:45 jonas’ yes
07:19:01 Ge0rG judging by the date on https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/13 ... ;)
07:19:51 jonas’ 90 days + 2 days to renew. fits.
07:21:32 Ge0rG 🤐
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07:29:58 Kev Oh, Peter never bumped the server? I did install the new cert when he asked,.
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07:30:33 intosi Server bumped.
07:30:38 Kev You too?
07:30:41 Ge0rG I'm sure this all is just a deliberate plot to get users to move away from jabber.org
07:30:47 ralphm Just curious, but why isn't this done with a cron job, which would renew it weeks before expiry?
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07:31:00 intosi Because $REASONS
07:31:01 Ge0rG Kev: intosi: Now that you are there, could you also have a look at https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/14 please?
07:31:12 intosi No.
07:31:51 Kev Also, the tribal knowledge is wrong there.
07:32:13 Kev The issue simply predates the migration, so came along with it, it wasn't the migration that introduced it.
07:33:07 Ge0rG On a file-based storage I'd simply do an `ls -alrt *\"*` to see when the invalid MUCs were last touched, notice that they are all a decade old, and rm -rf them.
07:35:03 Guus Connected again. Thanks for the bumps.
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08:21:33 intosi Ge0rG: I said no, but I quickly botched a Python script together that nodeprepped all configs, and moved the invalid ones.
08:21:36 intosi Should be alright now.
08:21:51 jonas’ oh my god
08:22:11 jonas’ now we only need to get that dh key fixed and conference.jabber.org can be indexd! :)
08:22:12 jonas’ thanks intosi
08:22:35 intosi dh key is unfortunately more involved.
08:22:39 Ge0rG intosi: 👍
08:22:47 Ge0rG dares to /list c.j.o now.
08:23:24 intosi Let me know if I missed any, the nodeprep implementation was also a botch job ;)
08:24:48 Ge0rG intosi: you missed one it seems. 07-23 10:24:40.692 13308 3656 E yaxim.SmackableImp: org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: XmppStringprepException caused by '"مدرسة¤الهاكرز¤الأحرار"@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain '"'
08:25:01 intosi Wut?
08:25:20 intosi Ah.
08:25:23 intosi Wait a tick.
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08:25:45 Ge0rG also I need to patch yaxim to not timeout after 30s
08:25:45 intosi Try in a minute.
08:25:52 Ge0rG sets a timer
08:25:57 Ge0rG this is so exciting!
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08:26:09 intosi I forgot to restart the server to flush out the old names.
08:26:25 intosi Or rather, I remembered to restart, but failed to see that sudo asked for a password ;)
08:26:44 Ge0rG isn't that sudo's main job?
08:26:59 intosi It is, except when you just ran it moments before.
08:27:03 Ge0rG uses the time to launch android studio
08:27:11 intosi Is up again.
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08:30:29 Ge0rG ah, smack, where you can't set a timeout on a single disco IQ
08:32:36 Ge0rG intosi: another one
08:32:37 Ge0rG XmppStringprepException caused by ',,,@conference.jabber.org': org.jxmpp.stringprep.XmppStringprepException: Localpart must not contain ','
08:34:34 intosi And where in 6122 is that?
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08:35:53 intosi Don't see that as a prohibited char in 7622 either.
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08:37:52 jonas’ aioxmpp also sees this as valid
08:38:02 jonas’ Ge0rG, I think you have another bug to report against Smack
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08:38:12 intosi I think that's a bug in your prep routine.
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08:39:54 Guus intosi: would it be possible for you to create a listing of values that failed the nodeprep? That'd make for a nice test set.
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08:40:28 jonas’ I might have that set somewhere, I think I sent it to stpeter or someone in the past
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08:41:23 intosi Guus: most of them failed because they had a 0x20 in them.
08:41:33 Ge0rG I'm currently grepping the source for that exception string, to no avail..
08:41:52 Kev Probably releasing a set of possibly-private JIDs from jabber.org wouldn't be appropriate. Even if they were invalid.
08:43:35 Ge0rG private static final char[] LOCALPART_FURTHER_EXCLUDED_CHARACTERS = new char[] { ... ',', // U+003A (COLON), i.e., : ... }
08:43:39 Ge0rG find the error.
08:43:48 Kev Heh.
08:43:54 intosi Sweet.
08:45:52 intosi Kev: considering we listed them in disco#items until half an hour ago probably dilutes that statement a little ;)
08:46:16 Kev Not if they were private we didn't, surely?
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08:46:34 Ge0rG now why is gradle downloading scala-compiler for jxmpp?
08:46:43 Ge0rG is that some kind of debianesque dependency management hell?
08:47:15 intosi Kev: fair point.
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08:48:47 jonas’ I might have that set of invalid publicly listable rooms somewhere, I think I sent it to stpeter or someone in the past
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09:00:39 Ge0rG Yay! It's loading! Now I only need to wait for 18.6k individual disco#info requests to finish!
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09:01:29 Ge0rG intosi: thanks very much!
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09:04:27 Ge0rG jonas’: how long until muchopper indexes the new data? :D
09:05:06 pep. When dh keys are fixed? :p
09:06:06 Ge0rG oh, right, that.
09:06:30 Ge0rG I can't easily sort the list by occupant count.
09:06:45 Ge0rG I wish disco#items would emit that for all returned rooms.
09:06:58 jonas’ make all the MUC servers implement the muclumbus search protocol ;)
09:07:38 Ge0rG jonas’: is there an XEP I can point server devs to?
09:07:42 Ge0rG No? Ohhh...
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09:10:20 Ge0rG and yaxim has already arrived at bored@
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09:12:13 Guus jonas’ is the required protocol the inverse of what is published to query the directory at https://search.jabbercat.org/docs/api ?
09:12:26 Guus jonas’ is the required protocol the inverse of what is published at https://search.jabbercat.org/docs/api to query the directory?
09:12:29 jonas’ Guus, pretty much
09:12:51 jonas’ I can make it a XEP if there’s interest, but there have been voices who prefer the XEP-0004 based jabber search instead (I don’t know the XEP number of that, 66 maybe?)
09:13:46 Guus I'll not get into that debate 🙂
09:13:53 Guus how do you determine what JID to query?
09:14:01 Guus the MUC service JID itself?
09:15:15 Guus I'm looking for work for people learning to code for Openfire. This might be a nice task to do so.
09:16:13 jonas’ Guus, I’d use the MUC service JID itself
09:16:25 jonas’ if you want work for people learning to code, maybe it’d be better to have this written down as proper XEP
09:17:20 Guus That's be nicer - but I'll work with the tools that are available.
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09:17:36 jonas’ right
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09:29:37 Ge0rG it needs a distinct disco#info anyway, so that you can switch between legacy disco#items and sophisticated mucsearch
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09:57:12 Ge0rG So of the 18k rooms on c.j.o, maybe 20 are populated.
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10:33:32 jonas’ Ge0rG, mind that the server has just been restarted
10:33:37 jonas’ "just"
10:36:13 Ge0rG jonas’: the results will underwhelm you.
10:36:36 jonas’ it will put some load on muchopper, that’s for sure
10:37:41 Ge0rG jonas’: I've already traversed through 16k/18k, and it's not exciting.
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10:37:50 Ge0rG I'm pretty sure it won't make the frontpage.
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10:53:54 Ge0rG Just in case anyone wonders...
10:53:56 Ge0rG Room all-linux-ru@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room arifsaha@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room discogs@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room elotrolado@conference.jabber.org has 2 users Room gnyarf@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room jabber@conference.jabber.org has 9 users Room jdev@conference.jabber.org has 16 users Room jugglers@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room maemo@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room pgdp@conference.jabber.org has 3 users Room resistance@conference.jabber.org has 1 users Room sleek@conference.jabber.org has 4 users Room wow@conference.jabber.org has 1 users
10:54:30 Ge0rG I kind of expected there to be a bunch of very crowded rooms of some sub-communities, like Russian Jabber™ fans.
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10:54:48 jonas’ maybe they all need proper DH key sizes ;)
10:55:02 Ge0rG And it only took ~1.5hr for yaxim to iterate through them all.
10:55:19 jonas’ :D
10:56:05 Ge0rG is manually doing the muclumbus' job.
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13:31:25 Link Mauve “11:04:09 pep.> I'm looking at Meetups listed on the events page and I'm curious about Paris, there was one in the past right?”, yes, there was one… two years ago already. :x https://news.jabberfr.org/2017/04/compte-rendu-de-la-rencontre-du-28-mars-2017/
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13:31:43 Link Mauve dwd, winfried, which country was it that were using XMPP to coordinate its ambulance system?
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13:35:02 winfried Link Mauve: I have never seen any confirmation (would love to learn more details), but what I heard, it was France
13:35:47 Ge0rG winfried: wasn't there some emergency-contact app for android from Belgium?
13:35:59 Link Mauve ’cause I have a friend working for a company doing ambulance stuff in France, I’ll ask her if she knows anything about it.
13:37:23 winfried Ge0rG: yes, it is the official 112 app in Belgium. I can send you more details and I have contacts with them.
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13:38:12 winfried Link Mauve: that would be great! Yes, please.
13:38:14 Ge0rG winfried: I remember you mentioned it and I had the Google Play listing open for a month or so ;)
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13:39:52 winfried Ge0rG: it is one of the few apps I have installed via Google play, just to demo it....
13:40:26 Ge0rG Somebody should write a MitM debugger for XMPP
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13:56:28 Zash Is there some Wireshark remote thingymajigger for Android?
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13:57:44 Ge0rG Zash: nothing nice. The least bad ones are ad-sponsored faux VPNs
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