Ge0rGHolger: if I connect to c.im with xml:lang="de", is it supposed to return error texts in german?
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HolgerYes (if there's a translation for the error in question, obviously).
Ge0rGHolger: I'm testing https://github.com/igniterealtime/Smack/pull/325 right now, and I'm looking for a test to perform
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Ge0rGI can't test the "add yourself to roster" problem because ejabberd will actually add you to your own roster
Ge0rGand it looks like the typical s2s errors (DNS resolution failed, timeout) aren't i18ned
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HolgerGe0rG: Hmmm, those should have translations. I'll have a look a bit later.
Ge0rGHolger: thanks
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YagizaHello!
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YagizaCan anyone help me with testing my OMEMO implementation.
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HolgerGe0rG: Ah DNS lookup is now done in a library which has no access to the translation foo. Modularity sucks.
HolgerGe0rG: Just send `<message to='conversations.im'><body>Test</body></message>` for example.
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Ge0rGHolger: 👍 worked
HolgerNice!
Ge0rG"Keine verfügbare Ressource gefunden" is rather unexpected for a message to the domain, but 🤷
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HolgerYeah, I *knew* you would complain and already checked the code to see whether the fix would be easy :-)
Ge0rGHolger: I complain about everything!
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HolgerHrm, service-unavailable or item-not-found ... and what text ... see it's not easy at all.
ZashProsody says service-unavailable
Ge0rGservice-unavailable is the usual one
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HolgerBut the text is the important part :-)
HolgerFor users responding to admin messages ...
Ge0rGHolger: you should make it customizable for the server admin, or maybe link to the contact info.
Zash... Prosody says service-unavailable
HolgerGe0rG: Sigh :-)
Ge0rGHolger: but yaxim won't linkify URLs in the error message.
HolgerGe0rG: This was about translations in the first place!
HolgerAlso who wants to receive messages from users.
Ge0rG"Kein Weltraum links vom Gerät!"
HolgerZash: Sigh :-)
HolgerGe0rG: I meant "admin configurable" would imply "no translations".
HolgerGe0rG: But once I have a proper English message I could certainly commit that translation since nobody at p1 understands German.
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Ge0rGis there a useful process for re-sending messages that got bounced?
Ge0rGI've now implemented a workaround for MUCs where if a message is bounced with cancel/service-unavailable, I assume that the user isn't joined, mark the message as "to be sent after join" and trigger a rejoin
ZashI think (recent?) prosody uses a different error
Ge0rGZash: how recent, which error
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ZashGe0rG: Hm, it seems it has used cancel, not-acceptable since forever
ZashThe text message has been tweaked a bit recently tho
Ge0rGThere's a text message?
Ge0rGI wish that https://issues.prosody.im/383 would be fixed instead.
Zashhttps://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/11671a2e07a9
ZashI was probably thinking of that
Ge0rGAh! thanks
ZashLooks fairly consistent with not-acceptable when you're not in the room
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ZashBtw, is consensus going towards a generic "in reply to" thingy now?
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Ge0rGZash: council consensus seemed to be, yeah
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jjrhis there not a 'group' concept for bookmarks?
ZashWhat do you mean?
pep.Tags?
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pep.No tags, no category for bookmarks no
jjrhWith standard jids you have a 'group'
pep.With the roster you have tags yes
pep.(They're called groups indeed)
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jjrhpep., okay was just about to ask if that was something separate to <group>
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ZashNope, no such thing for bookmarks
ZashNot even Bookmarks 2
jjrhIs there a reason why that wasn't included?
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ZashNobody thought about it in 2002?
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ZashBookmarks 3 go go go!
jjrhAh okay fair - was mostly wondering if there was some technical reason it wasn't done.
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jjrhIt could be added to xep0402 as a optional thing.
pep.They're not bookmark xeps anyway, they're sync mechanisms
pep.Naming is hard
pep.There isn't much adoption for 402 apparently
ZashBookmarks 3 !!!
pep.Zash: I'd like that, without autojoin :p
ZashActually, you can probably add tags in a custom namespace if you want
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jjrh402 looks fine to me I would probably say you add something like <meta> (or some other name) which is a place one can put whatever you might want group, tags, notes, etc.
ZashIt's the same data model as 48
Zashdwd, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html#example-4 is missing xmlns
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jjrhGood point. I guess that makes things a little more tricky.
ZashBut as I said, you can probably insert custom data in your custom namespace if you want.
ZashDunno about other servers but Prosody generally treats bookmarks as opacue XML
jjrhyep.
ZashI think Gajim might even be storing some gajim-specific stuff already
jjrhlooking at how prosody was storing stuff was the first place I looked :)
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Lancesafest (but not the nicest, of course) approach would be storing the metadata in a second privatexml storage location. extra data added into bookmarks is at risk if you edit with a different client which might not preserve existing, unknown xml
Lancesimilar to how roster metadata can be added: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0145.html
jjrhThat might be a easy solution and simplify implementation
ZashDo we want to make some generic privatexml ←→ PEP stuff?
Lancedidnt we? or was it just for bookmarks?
ZashJust bookmarks
ZashThen there's vcards which are also special
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Lancea disco feature saying pep<->privatexml in general works would be amazing
Lanceand xep-402 is missing a disco feature to indicate server conversion support
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ZashThere's a whole XEP about bookmarks conversion, or am I confused?
Lance411 leaves out 402
ZashI guess because 402 is still pretty new
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wurstsalatZash: gajim was saving custom bookmark stuff, but isn't anymore
ZashOkay
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wurstsalatNews from Dino's GSoC project (sorry if this isn't new) https://hrxi.github.io/gsoc/blog/standards
LanceIf size is missing at the start, so would any checksum hash. The checksum info sent by the sender once it is done sending would ideally carry the final size information, but that detail is missing from oversight (covered ranged requests, but forgot missing initial size case)
XSF Discussion - 2019-07-26