XSF Discussion - 2019-08-10

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10:03:53 Alex last reminder for the Q3 application period: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2019 Travis, Severino and Emmanuel
10:07:04 pep. Link Mauve, ^
10:07:34 pep. moparisthebest, ^
10:07:59 eevvoor when do you have to reapply? every three months?
10:08:04 pep. year
10:08:10 eevvoor ah thx pep.
10:11:11 Ge0rG Alex: there is a new jdev room now.
10:12:00 Alex Ge0rG: which Jid? can you invite me?
10:12:16 pep. jdev@muc.xmpp.org
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11:19:13 pep. Is there anything for donations to the foundation? As a user/single interested party
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11:19:56 ralphm Nothing formal currently.
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12:39:05 flow So I edited my MUC bookmarks with gajim, and now it appears that this caused the tab number in poezio to change, which affects my UX since I am used to e.g. xsf@ being tab 2. Of course I could potentially configure poezio to place xsf@ always on 2. But this all made me wonder: Do we want to introduce an order to bookmarks?
12:40:18 Zash I thought poezio join order was basically random? There's a plugin that saves and restores the order called 'reorder'
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12:42:02 flow Zash, random as in how the bookmarks are ordered in the received xml probably?
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12:42:47 Zash Quite possibly
12:45:18 flow hmm hows it with the extensibility of bookmarks2, do the authors envision to register and add additional parameters to the conference? If so, the tab/window number could be one of those
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12:57:12 lovetox flow, i dont think its worth it
12:57:38 lovetox it would be if almost all clients would have the same UX ideas about how to display conversations for ex. in tabs
12:57:48 pep. flow, yeah I never relied on the order bookmarks are loaded in, I use reorder for what I care about, the rest I can /w
12:58:13 pep. One thing that you could do, independant of bookmarks, is have some kind of client configuration in PEP
12:58:26 pep. Where you'd store that reorder configuration (somewhat modified probably)
12:59:32 pep. having* some kind of
13:00:35 lovetox yeah i would find this the better idea
13:01:04 lovetox than to burder all clients with saving stuff they never need
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13:03:34 Zash Same problem as trying to store extended stuff in rosters
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15:07:41 moparisthebest thanks Alex and pep.
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17:33:02 jonas’ pep., your Editor resume needs to go to Board
17:33:09 jonas’ they need to approve your team membership
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17:33:56 ralphm Yup, and I'll then put it on next week's agenda
17:34:38 pep. Please
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17:35:54 pep. I probably won't be available during the board meeting, I'll be available after the 20th (when I get to Camp)
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17:50:58 ralphm That's fine.
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19:11:29 lovetox i think it would be nice if the room avatar hash is in the disco info of a room
19:12:14 lovetox presence is fine, but to make this really nice i would want a way to get the avatar before joining the muc
19:12:32 lovetox presence is fine to anounce a change
19:13:04 lovetox would a room allow me to request the avatar of the room if im not joined?
19:13:37 lovetox but its vcard so probably it should
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19:19:50 lovetox xmpp.net is really slow :/
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19:35:13 Guus lovetox: I suspect that the database has a lot of crap in it, slowing it down
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19:36:18 Guus It was doing checks based in crawlers, so it was feeding the database with new rows constantly, for years.
19:36:40 Guus I'd be interested to see if we can clean that out.
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19:37:53 lovetox yeah seems like the about page loads fast
19:37:58 lovetox but thats it :D
19:43:03 Guus Mattj, is it in your power to backup/wipe that database?
19:43:55 Zash delete old results or somesuch?
19:45:06 Guus Wfm
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19:58:58 MattJ Guus: technically yes, can't likely look at it till Monday though, and you may have to remind me
19:59:13 MattJ And did we ever add that index?
19:59:22 Guus We did, I think
19:59:45 Guus No rush though
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20:30:23 j.r Now comming again to the Logo thing... I found https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/xmpp.org-theme/static/images/xmpp-logo.svg but I did not find any License in the repo.... so under what License is this file? Or isn't it under a license?
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20:35:59 Guus https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg
20:36:13 Guus That references a license
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20:43:42 j.r Guus, I know this one but there is not the exact MIT... just that it uses MIT
20:43:53 j.r Oh no I see wat you mean
20:44:00 j.r So yeah I should use thisone
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20:53:50 Ge0rG And pray that whoever edited the Wikipedia page did their research.
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21:26:08 j.r Ge0rG, yeah... but I'll cooperate if XFS has Problems with my usage of the Logo...
21:27:04 Ge0rG I remember that the subject of the logo license came up in a board meeting a while ago, but I forgot the resolution.
21:27:14 j.r Ge0rG, no problem
21:28:31 Zash Maybe it's mentioned in some board meeting minutes then?
21:30:30 Zash > 4. Tigase logo use > No discussion Mhm?
21:32:17 Ge0rG Check the MUC logs
21:32:36 Zash I went to grep through the website repo, didn't see anything obvious about the logo license there either.
21:32:52 Zash https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/website-credits.html popped up
21:37:48 Zash https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2019-06-07?p=h#2019-06-07-e0253b1685dc7a43 > Wojtek "ralphm: regarding xmpp logo usage - I approached Nyco with the question just to make sure it's ok to use it on our pages, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg states it's MIT so basically the answer is that yes, we can "
21:38:22 Zash Hm
21:39:09 Zash https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/ipr-policy seems to say that it only applies to XEPs
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