XSF Discussion - 2019-08-28


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  105. eevvoor

    linkmauve, xmpp:berlin-meetup@conference.conversations.im?join

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  110. eevvoor

    perhaps a dinner with one of the berlin xmpp guys? ;)

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  113. linkmauve

    eevvoor, sure!

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  230. Guus

    PEP defines that a service must support the 'owner' and 'subscriber' affiliations. 0060 doesn't define an affiliation named 'subscriber'. How should I read that?

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  232. MattJ

    I quietly ignored that

  233. MattJ

    Well, not too quietly actually

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  236. MattJ

    https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-August/035319.html

  237. Zash

    Was it removed?

  238. MattJ

    If you read it in a certain way, I said I'd submit a PR

  239. Zash

    Did you?

  240. Guus

    it wasn't removed, because I just found the same thing 🙂

  241. MattJ

    I don't recall submitting a PR

  242. MattJ

    But the rules clearly state that now Guus has found it, it's his responsibility

  243. Guus

    ah, yes.

  244. Guus

    the infamous 'touched it last' rule

  245. Guus

    there's something to be said for requiring a affiliation that grants the subscribe privilege though

  246. Guus

    gotta feed the offsping - ttyl

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  250. MattJ

    Guus, yes, maybe, perhaps - but it's controlled by the access_model

  251. MattJ

    So as far as design goes, there would be the choice between modelling "entity may subscribe" as either a new affiliation, or as a property of the node

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  258. flow

    It really would be nice if we had an tracker for such issues (and ideally not github)

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  261. ralphm

    I'm fairly sure there never was a subscriber affiliation.

  262. ralphm

    flow: agreed. Maybe we should look into hosting a Gitlab instance, but first things first. MattJ is still making an inventory for iteam, and then they can define what to do next, and ask for help if needed.

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  265. Ge0rG

    what would be the principal difference between github and gitlab?

  266. jonas’

    one is self hosted

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  268. jonas’

    gitlab requires some serious amount of resources though

  269. Zash

    Write them down in the wiki?

  270. MattJ

    Yeah, I'd be a -1 to self-hosting anything, for now at least

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  272. MattJ

    We *had* a self-hosted tracker in the past, fwiw

  273. Ge0rG

    jonas’: besides of the obvious hosting question, what's the _principal_ difference?

  274. Ge0rG

    Both provide an issue tracker, so if we need an issue tracker, why not make use of our XSF github?

  275. Ge0rG

    If we need something different from an issue tracker, why use gitlab?

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  278. pep.

    Ge0rG: free software/not. The feature set is more or less similar tbh. Gitlab seems to be a lot more open to big projects out there though

  279. Zash cries over Github account being mandatory

  280. jonas’

    pep., gitlab isn’t free software once you have an edition which doesn’t suck ;)

  281. pep.

    Gitlab's email handling is pretty cool nowadays, (I rarely need to open the browser), bit that's not something github is incapable of doing.

  282. Zash

    What were the requirements again?

  283. pep.

    jonas’: what features do you require for it not to suck?

  284. Zash

    What problem are we solving?

  285. jonas’

    properly cross-referencing issues

  286. jonas’

    you can link issues, but they don’t show up as related. you need something beyond CE for that

  287. pep.

    Zash: no idea. Somebody asked questions about github and gitlab

  288. jonas’

    (don’t confuse this with the feature of related merge requests, which *is* in CE)

  289. Ge0rG

    I don't understand how "it's not github" is a relevant feature request, considering the state of our infra.

  290. pep.

    jonas’: yeah I get it

  291. pep.

    jonas’: it's not impossible that if a big project whines a bit to gitlab they backport it to CE :p

  292. pep.

    flow: what did you have in mind?

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  294. Zash

    I don't want "not github", I want "not requiring an account with a single vendor"

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  296. Ge0rG

    Zash: you can login to github with your gmail! 😁

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  345. Alex

    Memberbot is still online until our member meeting tomorrow. In case you have not voted yet ;-)

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  348. Ge0rG

    Alex: 👍

  349. Zash

    !

  350. Ge0rG

    And Link Mauve has reapplied!

  351. pep.

    But he hasn't voted yet and his server is down. And mom-support doesn't know how to bring it back up :p

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  361. Alex

    I accept votes also be Email

  362. pep.

    His email server is at the same place :p

  363. pep.

    Anyway, that's his issue to solve. He can contact you if he needs to

  364. pep.

    He's got jabberfr temporarily

  365. Ge0rG

    pep.: but how do we know it's actually him?

  366. pep.

    I was with him until yesterday

  367. pep.

    Or the day before

  368. pep.

    How do you know, I don't know

  369. pep.

    I was actually going to ask if that was something board and council made sure of at every session :p

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  371. Ge0rG

    On some days I don't know whether it's me or not

  372. pep.

    If council members can see jids in the room for example

  373. Ge0rG

    pep.: there are questions that must not be asked

  374. pep.

    He he he

  375. Zash

    Prosody supports nickname reservations, so that could be used

  376. ralphm

    I suppose our voting shots are long enough to cover issues like this. One should vote as early as one can. And missing one vote is not a disaster.

  377. ralphm

    Slots

  378. pep.

    ralphm: agreed

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  380. Zash

    But, people.

  381. flow

    pep., gitlab and discourse

  382. pep.

    Discourse is no issue tracker though. It's a forum? A place you can have discussions that are stored and that you can search through. We have the mailing lists for that

  383. ralphm

    Well, it is up to Alex to make a determination. And some things don't have to be solved by technology.

  384. flow

    pep., right, it's a forum and, depending on how you look at it, a mailing list

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  388. ralphm

    On GitHub, we choose that for convenience and you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

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  392. ralphm

    Primarily discussions are on our mailinglists, some here. If you want to provide new stuff or patch existing stuff you can git send-mail it, or something.

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  394. ralphm

    If we indeed want to move to an issue tracker, which was decided against last time around, we can still use Github (for setup convenience) or self hosted Gitlab or something, but that will require ongoing maintenance, and people to (want to) do that.

  395. pep.

    flow: when you say gitlab is it specifically the self-hosted version, or gitlab.com would do?

  396. flow

    pep., I am pro-self hosting

  397. ralphm

    I don't see a point in moving from one hosted thing to another.

  398. flow

    err "pro self-hosting"

  399. pep.

    flow: me too generally.

  400. ralphm

    I like pro-self hosting, too. I call that my website.

  401. pep.

    ralphm: it depends. It's pretty subjective but I trust gitlab folks more than github. For one they're not entirely being hypocrites promoting free software and not using it themselves

  402. flow

    I think we miss a big opportunity by not providing source.xmpp.org and discuss.xmpp.org

  403. ralphm

    pep.: Yet?

  404. pep.

    What does that mean?

  405. pep.

    Ah, you mean they'll inevitably turn into github?

  406. ralphm

    Maybe

  407. pep.

    Sure. It's a for profit model after all.

  408. ralphm

    I don't know either of them personally and companies change

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  412. pep.

    I wouldn't mind pairing with another foundation if that's a thing, tbh

  413. moparisthebest

    you might want to look at https://gitea.io/ before gitlab

  414. pep.

    For the infra

  415. pep.

    moparisthebest: yeah I had that in mind

  416. moparisthebest

    for self hosting anyway

  417. pep.

    Gitlab is a beast

  418. moparisthebest

    yea... it really is

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  421. pep.

    I had to maintain one until not so long ago

  422. flow

    not saying that we could not look into alternatives, but gitlab has the most traction,

  423. flow

    and that is usually the crucial point if you are going long term

  424. ralphm

    This

  425. pep.

    I don't think gitlab is a key element tbh. I also do prefer self-host, but gitlab really is a monster.

  426. moparisthebest

    on the other hand, I think gitlab has a trello clone thing built in, so you could ditch trello too

  427. pep.

    Aaaannd we need people to support it anyway, so I suggest we leave the discussion here :p

  428. ralphm

    pep.: if you mean in that has many moving parts, sure. But it is relatively straight-forward to setup and manage, as they have this omnipackage.

  429. moparisthebest

    but as far as "how easy it is to host/maintain" and "how many resources it requires" gitea wins easily over gitlab, if those aren't your concerns, then choose based on something else

  430. ralphm

    pep.: exactly

  431. pep.

    ralphm: the omni thing is going away aiui

  432. Zash

    issue-tracker! hgweb! ... clone the prosody.im setup!! 😀

  433. ralphm

    moparisthebest: I'm not familiar with gitea (at all)

  434. ralphm

    pep.: hm, well, if they then switch to proper .debs, that works, too

  435. Zash

    Gitea seems fine. Annoys me less than Gitlab. But what was the problem being solved again?

  436. pep.

    ralphm: You mean the usual outdated .deb? With runners that are also a few years old? :)

  437. ralphm

    Zash: someone suggested wanting tickets

  438. moparisthebest

    gitea is a single static go binary, you run it, you *can* point it at a database or just use sqlite, that's it

  439. ralphm

    pep.: I don't know, many teams seem capable of having PPAs

  440. pep.

    Debian runs their infra on gitlab, but when I was maintaining it, they weren't updating the package, they were using upstream directly from what I understand

  441. Zash

    The issue was with ml threads like "should we change x?" - "yes" ... (nothing happens)

  442. Zash

    I think?

  443. ralphm

    Zash: yes, episode n+1

  444. ralphm

    Also, last time we actually said no, I believe

  445. pep.

    One thing I'd like to have is a proper search feature for our MLs, then probably the discourse song would fade a bit

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  448. flow

    pep., searching is not a problem. But I really want to tag threads

  449. ralphm

    pep.: I agree that would be nice. I just seem to not delete any mail from my XMPP related mailing list folders.

  450. ralphm

    I don't know what 'tagging threads' means.

  451. pep.

    ralphm: sure, and that requires you to be on-list when the email is sent

  452. flow

    imagine tags like 'stream-management' which would show you all threads about xep198

  453. pep.

    People joining in later can't do that

  454. ralphm

    pep.: or download the mbox file

  455. pep.

    Haha

  456. pep.

    Nice ux

  457. Zash

    That would be nice

  458. Zash

    IIRC there's somewhere you can connect via IMAP and get read-only access to all IETF mailing list archives

  459. pep.

    Nice

  460. Zash

    The MUA I tried it with did not handle it well

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  462. ralphm

    This should work: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/private/summit.mbox/summit.mbox

  463. pep.

    flow: I agree that would be nice. Though generally it's already been done, people out a xep number in the subject and it works fine

  464. pep.

    (Or whatever other keywords)

  465. flow

    "…works fine" ← how do you know that?

  466. pep.

    Because I also search in there fairly often

  467. flow

    but how you do know that you get all threads?

  468. moparisthebest

    council vote emails don't have XEP numbers in subjects, just as one example

  469. pep.

    flow: who knows.. How do you know it works anyway..

  470. pep.

    moparisthebest: I can search through that as well. Xep/features are generally mentioned in the body at least

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  472. pep.

    Anyway.. It's far from perfect, but it works

  473. moparisthebest

    for some definition of works

  474. moparisthebest

    what do we need XMPP for? we can just send text to each other over telnet, it works

  475. ralphm

    Heh, standards.mbox is only 36377 messages, 192MB

  476. ralphm

    Going back all the way to July 2001.

  477. pep.

    moparisthebest: heh, you're also in the discourse camp?

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  479. moparisthebest

    not necesarily, more like "downloading giant .mbox and figuring out how to use it seems like a poor way" camp haha, discourse is nice though

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  481. moparisthebest

    https://ponymail.incubator.apache.org/ could be an option, I've used it here before https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@poi.apache.org

  482. ralphm

    moparisthebest: disappointing :/

  483. moparisthebest

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=xep198+xep-198+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.jabber.org%2Fpipermail%2Fstandards%2F that doesn't work very well

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  486. ralphm

    I've briefly considered migrating to Mailman 3, but it will break the archives, or you have to keep the old archive around or somesuch. http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html

  487. moparisthebest

    and https://www.google.com/search?q=xep198%20xep-198%20site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.jabber.org%2Fpipermail%2Fstandards%2F only has 3 results

  488. pep.

    ralphm: that would be nice. We can certainly keep static archives alongside

  489. ralphm

    The are a bunch of other caveats listed there. I'm scared a bit.

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  503. Ge0rG

    What about having a mirror of the archive with some other, more modern web frontend? Or nicely ask the gmane folks

  504. ralphm

    Ge0rG: oh, you mean Mailman 3?

  505. Ge0rG

    ralphm: whatever can be installed alongside the current mailman

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  509. ralphm

    I'm not there's a lot of that. The problem is that Mailman 2, which we are currently running, just like probably 99% of all mailing lists, has been in maintenance mode for years, and nobody actually seems to be focussed on it anymore. Somebody would have to do the research on this, but it doesn't sound trivial. Additionally, Mailman 2 is written in Python 2, which is EOL at the end of the year.

  510. Ge0rG

    In years, or in decades?

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  514. Zash

    Where are Mailman 3 sources hosted?

  515. Zash

    https://code.launchpad.net/mailman seems to suggest that Mailman 2 had commits a few weeks ago and Mailman 3 hasn't been touched in years.

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  524. Ge0rG

    Reminds me of the xmpp client list activity.

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  527. ralphm

    Zash: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman

  528. Zash

    Oh of course

  529. ralphm

    I wasn't aware somebody's actually still doing stuff on 2.1, but I don't think those are big things

  530. ralphm

    https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/changes/1819?start_revid=1819

  531. Zash

    Ah, the mailman 3 link in the menu does link to gitlab

  532. ralphm

    Basically https://wiki.list.org/msapiro has been doing this on his own since 2008.

  533. ralphm

    https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2019-April/084332.html

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  538. ralphm

    (also note that that particular list is still on 2.1 :-) )

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  541. Zash

    > There are already 73 Mailman 3 lists @python.org (there are still 313 MM 2.1 lists).

  542. Zash

    Woah

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  544. ralphm

    I am running Mailman myself for a couple of lists, and may attempt to migrate some.

  545. ralphm

    I was surprised how small the standards@ mbox file is.

  546. ralphm

    First snag: apparently Ubuntu packages only became available starting with 18.04, so I have to do quite some yak shaving.

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  560. Ge0rG

    Get away from my yak!

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  562. Zash

    Training for the 2020 Yak shaving world cup starts now!

  563. Ge0rG

    The mailman always rings twice!

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  565. Ge0rG

    So I've been looking at yaxim every three minutes like a lab rat pushing the reward button, and then I realized that sending CSI is a GDPR issue

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  591. moparisthebest

    Don't you just spin up another docker container in 2019

  592. Zash

    Hush now

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