XSF Discussion - 2019-09-03


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  164. nyco_

    please make noise: https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1168821737682812935

  165. Ge0rG

    Why is it called "the July and August" edition in the tweet?

  166. ralphm

    Because it covers news from those months?

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  168. Ge0rG

    but then it has September in the title.

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  170. ralphm

    Aha, slightly confusing indeed

  171. Ge0rG

    also I was said the newsletter missed the profanity 0.7.0 release

  172. Ge0rG

    Not sure if it still can be added, retroactively. Or whether it even makes sense to

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  174. ralphm

    Well, I suppose many people might only read the emailed edition.

  175. Ge0rG

    Yeah.

  176. ralphm

    So I'd probably move it

  177. Ge0rG

    nyco_: good job, anyway!

  178. nyco_

    oops, missed it

  179. nyco_

    add it here, for the next edition

  180. nyco_

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter

  181. Guus

    Thanks for picking this back up, nyco!

  182. nyco_

    Latest release: profanity-0.6.0.tar.gz md5: 5818d36c572d2dfe2f1112b11d95d609 sha1: 9ed7dffb7b99dfff6010032602f3b08839b12c94 profanity-0.6.0.zip md5: f5db969aa205c3c1a378ecec55b99c08 sha1: 2fb0b80cd6c72e82988292279851466aa847188c

  183. nyco_

    not announced here neither: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/profanitydev

  184. nyco_

    anyway, I missed it, sorry

  185. ralphm

    Maybe you are actually human?

  186. Guus

    Let's not make this your responsibility, nyco_ - that newsletter is a community effort, being prepared for in the wiki, the PR being reviewed for a week - we all missed it.

  187. ralphm

    Indeed

  188. nyco_

    yeah! :)

  189. Guus

    unless, of course, there was going to be cake to make up for the mistake. In that case, it's totally your fault.

  190. nyco_

    that's a possibility, indeed, come to Paris for this!

  191. Guus

    ... tempting...

  192. nyco_

    btw meetups in Paris are not as active as other places, let's fix this?

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  194. Guus

    giving that you're actually in Paris, you seem like a good person to make that happen ๐Ÿ™‚

  195. Guus

    lotsa Frenchies here.

  196. nyco_

    yep

  197. nyco_

    in French, we say "yaka/fokon"

  198. pep.

    The XEP thing is a goof attempt, but we should have skipped the finished LCs probably. "This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2019-08-13."

  199. jubalh

    nyco_, no problem you missed it. just to clarify thought: https://profanity-im.github.io/ is the new website. 0.7.0 is mentioned there. profanity.im we dont have any power over (only original author) and he is quite busy..

  200. pep.

    The XEP thing is a good attempt, but we should have skipped the finished LCs probably. "This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of business on 2019-08-13."

  201. jubalh

    nyco_, i also dont use the mailing list and for twitter only the original author has access

  202. nyco_

    "yaka" : "il n'y a qu'ร ..." => "it's only a matter of..." "fokon" : "il faut qu'on..." => "we got to..."

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  204. jubalh

    we thoght adding it to the wiki is a good start ;)

  205. nyco_

    jubalh thx

  206. Ge0rG

    jubalh: add it to the newsletter page on the xmpp wiki :D

  207. nyco_

    btw, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Basic_communication_guide_for_XMPP_techies please all review, this might be helpful

  208. nyco_

    Ge0rG done

  209. Ge0rG

    ๐Ÿ‘

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  213. nyco_

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/News_and_Articles_for_the_next_XMPP_Newsletter#Clients

  214. ralphm

    nyco_: just to clarify, so this is actually the September edition, unlike what the tweet said?

  215. nyco_

    so, does Profanity force you to chat only in harsh words? :)

  216. pep.

    nyco_: I poked you and Link Mauve here a few times about Paris. I know we have people there so yeah it'd be good to have one

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  218. nyco_

    pep. the 137 is a good place, I can book it

  219. jubalh

    nyco_, cool thanks!

  220. jubalh

    nyco_, haha no :P

  221. nyco_

    I'm thinking of doing a meme-based IM app :)

  222. nyco_

    you only chat with memes

  223. linkmauve

    nyco_, pep., sorry Iโ€™m in Berlin this week!

  224. pep.

    linkmauve: sure, I'm not n france before some unknown date

  225. pep.

    linkmauve: sure, I'm not in france before some yet unknown date

  226. nyco_

    https://news.jabberfr.org/2017/03/rencontre-xmpp-le-mardi-28-mars-2017-a-paris/

  227. pep.

    Yeah that was jabberfr, randomly I guess

  228. pep.

    Maybe the venue can be reused

  229. linkmauve

    pep., it was the 137. :p

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  231. pep.

    Ah, ok

  232. linkmauve

    Thanks to nyco_ for doing all of the booking and things. :)

  233. nyco_

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meetups/Paris

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  236. pep.

    nyco_: "it would be nice" doesn't work :p, fix a date

  237. pep.

    Set* a date

  238. nyco_

    if there's a "cakeup" in Paris (meetup with a cake), would you join @Guus and @ralphm ?

  239. Guus

    haha, luring me with candy

  240. Guus

    not a bad plan ๐Ÿ™‚

  241. ralphm

    Time permitting, sure.

  242. linkmauve

    jubalh, canโ€™t you make the original author redirect profanity.im there, or provide you an alias?

  243. nyco_

    28 March 2020, this is the third anniversary of our latest meetup

  244. linkmauve

    :D

  245. nyco_

    what about making it "dual-place", live with another place, for example Krakow

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  248. ralphm

    Paris is It is about 4.5h drive, a little bit more by train.

  249. Daniel

    As someone who just recently (Co) started a meetup (and also failed to start one before): just do it

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  252. Daniel

    Not in half a year but now

  253. Daniel

    Get a location. Set a date. Be done

  254. Daniel

    Even if just two other people show up

  255. pep.

    Note that meetups are generally something regular, and a few hours, they're not weekend long events

  256. nyco_

    done is better than perfect, indeed still tempted to reach further and get a consensus

  257. Daniel

    > Note that meetups are generally something regular, and a few hours, they're not weekend long events That's what nyco_ is talking about, no?

  258. nyco_

    I'm open

  259. nyco_

    meetups are more presentations I like the idea of sprints, more in the "do"

  260. pep.

    Daniel: I wasn't entirely sure

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  262. pep.

    You don't make people do a 5h trip for an evening event :p

  263. Daniel

    Meetups = ~ user groups

  264. nyco_

    unless there is cake

  265. nyco_

    all right, I'll think about it, talk to people, and send a prosposition

  266. nyco_

    (and book the room)

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  271. Daniel

    But I also want to organize a proper xmpp conference at some point. Maybe a bit like the lightning talks at summit and/or deep dives into certain (niche) topics

  272. pep.

    Yeah I also do want that

  273. Daniel

    My goal is maybe to attempt this in a dev room at next year's froscon (to save on cost)

  274. pep.

    We should try and reach out to companies we known use it

  275. pep.

    Ah is as seeing bigger :p

  276. pep.

    Ah i was seeing bigger :p

  277. Daniel

    And gather experience for the big xmpp conference on 5/2/22

  278. pep.

    What's that date

  279. Daniel

    pep.: yeah I've never organized a conference and I want to start small

  280. ralphm

    Daniel: I'd thought to do something like this this year, but didn't want to take it on. Organising a conference is quite a bit of work.

  281. Daniel

    And having experience is something that sponsors would probably like to see as well

  282. pep.

    Would fosdem be open to that then? I'm up for organizing

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  284. pep.

    Too late?

  285. pep.

    Froscon seems nice but maybe too localised?

  286. Daniel

    pep.: with the booth at fosdem we probably have too much on our plate already

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  288. Daniel

    I mean we can't be at the booth and the conference at the same time

  289. pep.

    Tbh I didn't take part very much at the booth, it seemed a bit too much

  290. pep.

    I'm sure we can have 2-3 people in a devroom

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  293. Daniel

    > Froscon seems nice but maybe too localised? I mean I'll probably try to do no matter what and it won't interfere with other attempts but I'd say that a good number of people live nearby. JC, Georg, the Netherlands are not really far

  294. Daniel

    Paul lives close ish

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  297. pep.

    Ok

  298. Daniel

    But is it too late for a dedicated dev room at fosdem?

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  301. pep.

    Maybe we can get one day yeah, that'd be cool

  302. pep.

    Generally we to with the real-time communication room though

  303. pep.

    Generally we go with the real-time communication room though

  304. ralphm

    Daniel: what do you mean with dedicated?

  305. Daniel

    ralphm: not the real time

  306. Daniel

    Just xmpp topics

  307. Ge0rG

    I'm not sure yet whether I'll make FOSDEM / Summit next year.

  308. ralphm

    We have partnered with the RTC people because it increased our changes of getting a room.

  309. ralphm

    chances

  310. Daniel

    I see

  311. pep.

    I guess it somewhat makes sense for fosdem, as meh as it is, it's already full anyway

  312. ralphm

    If there are good proposals from our community, I don't see why they couldn't make up a large part of the devroom.

  313. pep.

    Yeah

  314. pep.

    So we need to reach out to people using xmpp and push them tontalk about it

  315. pep.

    So we need to reach out to people using xmpp and push them to talk about it

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  320. ralphm

    The first step, applying for a room, is in progress. They chosen ones are announced end of the month, and then each room should put out an CfP before Oct 15.

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  331. jubalh

    linkmauve, I asked him to do just that months ago. He agreed. And 3 more times said he will do it.. ;)

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  362. nyco_

    moving on: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meetups/Paris#Fall_2019

  363. Daniel

    nyco_, in a week?

  364. nyco_

    Daniel you ordered me to do so! :)

  365. Daniel

    fair enough

  366. nyco_

    hehehe

  367. pep.

    I won't be there but I think it's a good idea :) careful with talks because you'll have to find the speakers :p

  368. pep.

    I'll join whenever I'm in Paris next timr

  369. pep.

    I'll join whenever I'm in Paris next time

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  372. nyco_

    who wants to speak and bring real value for users?

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  480. Ge0rG

    Is there a reliable marker for "the client has received all offline messages"?

  481. Ge0rG

    Something like a subject in MUCs ;)

  482. Kev

    Only if you send yourself a message on login.

  483. Ge0rG

    This is wrong on so many levels.

  484. jonasโ€™

    :(

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  487. Ge0rG

    So I can have a loading percentage indicator for MAM, but not for MUCs or offline messages.

  488. Zash

    XEP-0013 ? ๐Ÿ™

  489. Zash

    Hold on, Draft Standard

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  491. Ge0rG

    Are there any implementations?

  492. Zash

    Unknown to me.

  493. Ge0rG

    I've heard that Conversations is using it to PURGE offline storage, because everything is in MAM anyway.

  494. Daniel

    > Is there a reliable marker for "the client has received all offline messages"? I've used 198 requests in the past for a project that wasn't using mam

  495. jonasโ€™

    :D

  496. jonasโ€™

    true that works

  497. Daniel

    Also ping

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  500. Daniel

    Which has upsides and downsides to 198

  501. Ge0rG

    Daniel: how do you pull that off? send presence and ping back-to-back?

  502. Daniel

    Send presence, ping, on pong I know I'm caught up

  503. Ge0rG

    Yay.

  504. Daniel

    With r/a you have to know that this is your only r in flight

  505. Daniel

    Which you may or may not know

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  557. Ge0rG

    https://upload.yax.im/upload/rosGAVVtrjVIxteU/Screenshot_20190903-191637_Twidere.jpg

  558. Ge0rG

    Don't forget to test your artwork on dark backgrounds... ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  610. ralphm

    This is just dark mode. It is lofi

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  616. edhelas

    I'm only reading stuff using my XMPP XML stream, pictures are overrated

  617. Ge0rG

    edhelas: you read the raw xml from your Twitter bot?

  618. Ge0rG

    Reminds me of the League of Legends integration that was encoded xml inside of the message body.

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  623. edhelas

    Since i'm using HTTP over XMPP yeah ๐Ÿ˜—

  624. edhelas

    Are we not doing something similar with Stanza Encryption in the end?

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  631. Ge0rG

    HTTP over XMPP over BOSH over HTTP

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