Neustradamus, https://github.com/legastero/memberbot/network/members I think
pep.
Ah wait, it says archived
pep.
Link Mauve has a few patches on top, but it's the only fork apparently so..
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Hmm, maybe ask Lance when he wakes
ralphm
We could have him move it to our org
ralphm
Leaving forks intact
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Neustradamus
Because there is a problem (I have auto capitalize the first letter of sentence in my client) and when we click on "yes" it is Yes, it does not work.
There is no problem for "no" it is no.
Seve
Ah yeah, it only allows "Yes" as "Yes" haha :D
Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/buttons.xml !
Neustradamus
And this bug is not new.
Ge0rG
This is a bottomless pit. First you want "Yes", then you want "YES", then you want "true", then you want "1"...
Ge0rG
In the end, you end up with a YAML parser that interprets your answer as a sexagesimal number.
Guus
Yes!
Zash
"si", "ja", "SIR YES SIR!"
Guus
I mean: yes!
Kev
Ydw.
ralphm
The age of an issue is not really relevant.
Guus
(but not having it case-sensitive would be a welcome improvement)
Thankfully Yes! will get interpreted as 1! which as everyone knows is equal to 1.
Zash
Motivate me or someone to fix up the buttons XEP
Zash
The return of the revenge of the unintended factorial!
Ge0rG
Zash: data forms!
linkmauve
Ad-hoc commands!
ralphm
pubsub
Zash
all of the above, plus jingle!
Guus
Donkey!
Seve
omg
Zash
dataform in ad-hoc command over p2p-xmpp offered via jingle session in pep
Seve
Now I'm listening
pep.
Ge0rG, will you also allow me to have: はい, ええ, えー, いいえ, いえ, いいや, いや ? :P
pep.
or Guus ^ (dunno who was talking about it)
Guus
Blamimng Ge0rG for all of this works for me.
Ge0rG
"Say yes or no. Please pronounce it clearly, our speech analysis sucks."
ralphm
Also XEP-0132.
linkmauve
pep., with context dependent answer to actually pick no when you say はい to a negative question.
pep.
linkmauve, of course
pep.
That's what I expect from locale handling
Ge0rG
wasn't there a language where "no" actually means yes?
Ge0rG
Uh-oh, I hope I'm not triggering an army of SJWs now.
linkmauve
Ge0rG, that was the essence of my joke. :p
Guus
Polish, according to my Google-foo.
pep.
In Japanese you answer positively (Yes) to a negative question if you agree with the negation
pep.
But it's not just them, I actually also do that in french and english nowadays :x
Ge0rG
linkmauve: but I don't understand Japanese.
linkmauve
Ah, too bad.
linkmauve
pep., oh no.
ralphm
pep.: I do that a lot
Ge0rG
In German you have "ja", "nein" and "doch". When asked a negated question, you use the latter two
pep.
Ge0rG, yeah there's also « si » in french
pep.
("doch" equivalent I guess)
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Ge0rG
language is complicated. Let's go fishing.
linkmauve
Great, I now have a Pod which can do fishing.
linkmauve
It costed me 5000G and takes [3] space in memory.
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Hey, this is interesting. We had someone trying to send s2s spam over a server using anonymous logins (we disallow s2s traffic for anonymous sessions). Now the intended recipient (that would not have received anything) is replying back with StopSpam Question subject messages containing a simple math problem.
Ge0rG
Guus: how does the recipient know?
Guus
exactly.
Ge0rG
maybe your s2s blocker is faulty?
Ge0rG
is the intended recipient on your own server?
Guus
Pretty sure it's not - I'm guessing that the recipient expected the spam to arrive, didn't, and is trying to make it come through with sending questions to de-block data.
Guus
which suggests recipient and sender are the same party.
Guus
no, they're on xmpp.jp.
Zash
Intelesting
Ge0rG
Guus: I'm pretty sure this is not how the StopSpam thing works.
Ge0rG
Guus: maybe it reacts to presence, not to messages, and your s2s blocker only blocks the latter?
Guus
Can't rule out a bug
Guus
but it should
Guus
feel free to give it a test on igniterealtime.org
Ge0rG
Guus: is that the anon domain?
Ge0rG
I don't even know how to login to an anon domain
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Guus
Ge0rG yes - Smack supports it, afaik
Daniel
So does Conversations
Daniel
Enter a random local part
Guus
it's a SASL mechanism
Ge0rG
Yay, let's crash yaxim!
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Guus
Thanks for the minutes, Daniel
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Ge0rG
Hm. It won't let me in.
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Ge0rG
Because I try SCRAM-SHA1, which is advertised, and which obviously fails
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Ge0rG
Daniel: doesn't work with Conversations either :(
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Daniel
yes because of the same reason
Ge0rG
Guus: your server is broken :P
Guus
ohboy
Guus
the _spammers_ can get in... 😉
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i wonder if i should make it work with anon available && password.isEmpty()
Daniel
or something
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Guus
Georg, what exactly happens?
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Guus
wait, you guys expect anonymous to be the only SASL mechanism that's offered?
Ge0rG
Daniel: that would be the obvious hack
Zash
Things seem easier if anonymous users are namespaced onto another virtualhost
getting a roster in an anonymous session, would 'not-authorized' be a suitable response?
Guus
technically, SASL happened...
Guus
not-allowed is documented to apply to _any entity_
Guus
not-acceptable?
Guus
service-unavailable?
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Ge0rG
problems found in yaxim: 2
problems found in openfire: 3(?)
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Guus
One down: https://github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire/pull/1472
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Ge0rG
I still can't join the MUC, but it seems to be a yaxim bug
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Guus
openfire@ is a private muc, I think. Try open_chat
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Neustradamus
Guus: Smack has SCRAM-SHA-1 and SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS? https://issues.igniterealtime.org/browse/SMACK-749
Ge0rG
Guus: if it's a private MUC, why did I get one message from it?
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Neustradamus
Ignite Realtime products are not in the good category?
-> https://github.com/scram-xmpp/info/issues/1
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Neustradamus I would appreciate it if you stop following me around with the same question.
Guus
Ge0rG I'm unsure if it's private, or simply unlisted, or something else - it's not the regular room that I thought you ment to use, which would be open_chat
Neustradamus
I do a search and I have found: https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/t/saslerror-using-scram-sha-1-malformed-request/73391 and the ticket
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Ge0rG
Guus: it was listed in disco#items
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Ge0rG
Guus: looks like the room isn't sending a subject.
Ge0rG any pointers to the proper handling of undeliverable presence stanzas?
Guus
Openfire is dropping all of them silently
Ge0rG
Guus: send back... a presence error!
Guus
probably not always
Ge0rG
not on unavailable, I'd assume
Ge0rG
I'm not an expert in that field, sorry
Guus
Quickly scanning the RFC gives me more than that'd be a quick fix
Ge0rG
> After the room has optionally sent the discussion history to the new occupant, it SHALL send the current room subject.
On some days, I hate XEP-0045
Kev
We'd bounce a stanza when it can't be delivered unless it's type=error or type=result.
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Ge0rG
Wait, SHALL is a synonym to MUST. That makes my hate disappear.
Ge0rG
Guus: look, you are violating XEP-0045 there :D
Ge0rG
Kev: why don't you bounce type=result?
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Zash
Relatedly, what do you do if you recieve a malformed error stanza?
Kev
Because you never reply to a result?
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Zash
Yell "garbage in, garbage out!" and deliver it?
Ge0rG
Zash: define "malformed"
Zash
Actually, the issue I'm thinking of is with a malformed iq-reply, a disco#info response where all the <features> went into the top level stanza and the actual <{disco#info>query> payload is missing.
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Zash
Thus, having more than 2 direct child tags, which is forbidden
Zash
Actually, type=reply can't have more than 1, but still
lovetox
Ge0rG, if you just discovered that, and now implement that you are only really joined if you receive the subject
lovetox
prepare for older ejabberd server that dont send empty subjects :)
lovetox
and in fact prosody didnt do this also once
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lovetox
if you want to test old ejabberds jabber.ru is a good testing ground :)
Ge0rG
lovetox: I remember those issues, yeah. How do you "complete" a join then? On self-presence?
Ge0rG
Are there still servers that don't add 110?
lovetox
no a join is complete if you receive a subject
lovetox
i put a timer, when i receive self presence
lovetox
means joins on not compliant servers need longer, but not really my problem, they can upgrade their software
pep.
yeah because then you can't distinguish between muc history and normal delayed messages
It is indeed (evil). https://cerdale.zash.se/upload/L3qjPKnmAFR5iyoR/not-grey.png if somebody wants to tackle the issue
pep.
fail.
pep.
https://lab.louiz.org/poezio/poezio/issues/3142 this
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Ge0rG
> Opened 3 years ago by ge0rg
Ge0rG
Everything old is new again.
pep.
What is dead may never die
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Guus
third PR gone into Openfire. Tx Ge0rG
Ge0rG
Guus: thanks!
Guus
Don't thank me yet: these were shot from the hip.
Ge0rG
Guus: deploy to igniterealtime, see what happens
Ge0rG
friday afternoon is the best time for that
Guus
Yeah, maybe
Guus
I should get back to work first 🙂
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Daniel
Is fasten going to be used for the full qoute / reference use case?
pep.
Daniel, might even be called "Attach" in the end! See standards@
Ge0rG
🙈🙉🙊
pep.
And yes
pep.
Or is reference going to be used for mentions etc. still?
Guus
Are we intentionally sending out repeated newsletter tweets? It is starting to get annoying.
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Daniel
can we get an example in the XEP (for quoteing a message)
Daniel
Guus, that annoys me to
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Daniel
not that i wouldn’t know how. it's just that i want it explicit that this xep is meant for that
Guus
nyco are you triggering these? Maybe cut down on the frequency?
Ge0rG
Guus: the worst thing is that the tweets lack actual content
Ge0rG
they look like a badly trained AI. Sorry.
Ge0rG
or maybe an attempt at SEO
Zash
Like the rest of Twitter? </troll>
Daniel
so references and old attaching are going to be obsoleted?
jonas’
Daniel, I don’t think so
jonas’
AAUI, Kev intends to rebase/adapt References to Fastening
jonas’
or revamp it at least
jonas’
Fastening and References serve different use-cases
Kev
References gets updated to use fastening once fastening's published, and the idea is that old attaching goes away, yes.
Daniel
and isn’t quoting referse fasting? if you consider the MAM playout you want the original message with the quote and not the quotes for the original message
Daniel
or maybe you want the later
Daniel
or maybe both
jonas’
Kev, humm, isn’t fastening supposed to be 1:N, i.e. a message can be fastened to at most one other message, but a message can have multiple messages fastened to it?
jonas’
how would that work with multiple mentions, for example?
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Ge0rG
fasten your references!
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Daniel
fwiw it is completely not obvious from reading the current XEP that this can (even remotely) be used for quoteing
Daniel
> that adds additional information to the context of a previous message.
i'm really not sure that quoteing falls under that category
ralphm
jonas’: yes 1:N
ralphm
I don't think that quoting is a good use case for this. You might use references instead.
ralphm
I'll try to 'complete' my blog post with many examples this weekend.
ralphm
Including renderings
ralphm
(of fasten, references, and combinations thereof)
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ok. i’ll just wait then. because right now i can’t picture any of this
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Ge0rG
Guus, pep.: I've been really blind regarding the no-subject-set thing. It's actually right there, in your face, in Example 42: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-42
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jonas’
relevant: https://issues.prosody.im/1053
Guus
> Guus, pep.: I've been really blind regarding the no-subject-set thing. It's actually right there, in your face, in Example 42: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-42
I've seen that. I think Daryl just merged my PR that adds that.
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Zash
While we're on the topic of Openfire bugs here, what's up with sending `</stream:stream>` unencrypted at the end of TLS connections?
Guus
Hah
Guus
I fixed that earlier this week
Guus
At least during dialback
Zash
Heh, that explains why I just saw that just now.
Guus
Should not happen anymore on IgniteRealtime.org, if you care to test
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Zash
Gotta be properly capitalized too? :)
Guus
No, that's autocorrect on my phone
Guus
> Heh, that explains why I just saw that just now.
The problem has always been there, the fix is recent.
Guus
If you only saw a problem recently, then my fix made things unexpectedly worse...